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Casino Royale vs Quantum of Solace - Which Is The Better Bond Film? (Interactive voting video)

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  • SaintMarkSaintMark
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    Dear Darth while I agree with your view on CR vs. QoS, the comparison you draw between Alien vs Aliens is wrong it should be Alien vs Aliens vs Predators.

    Aliens has always been seen as a brilliant number two movie where a lot of franchise botch up number two. And while James Cameron is currently suffering under a wholy daft fanboyish lasback on the internet Aliens is a far better movie in all aspects than QoS.

    If people enjoy QoS I am fine with that but I consider it the worst of the 007 movie, mostly because it is the one time when EON should have stopped production untill it could have the complete script and preferable a very different director. QoS showed some promise but unlike CR it went all out Bourne and ended up looking like sh&t. Because the Bourne movies has it beat in all actionscenes hands down and make it look coherent and exciting. Something QoS only had in small flashes.
  • StirredNotShakenStirredNotShaken Toronto
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    That's cause, at some point in the past 20 years, Cameron turned into a shit director. Titanic and Avatar are two of the worst movies I've ever seen, Avatar especially (shoot me).

    QoS is a Bourne movie, not a Bond movie. NbNW and RotLA are both way more Bondlike than it. Hell, CR is more Bondlike and it's the most departed Bond film ever.
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
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    StirredNotShaken wrote:
    That's cause, at some point in the past 20 years, Cameron turned into a shit director. Titanic and Avatar are two of the worst movies I've ever seen, Avatar especially (shoot me).

    QoS is a Bourne movie, not a Bond movie. NbNW and RotLA are both way more Bondlike than it. Hell, CR is more Bondlike and it's the most departed Bond film ever.

    Hmmm.

    Fair points on Cameron and QOS although given that CR is one of the most faithful adaptations of Fleming in the series I'd have to question your assessment on what is Bond like.
  • StirredNotShakenStirredNotShaken Toronto
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    Well if you go to the novels (which is what I do often, a large reason why Dalton is my personal #1 Bond) then yeah, it's as Bond as they come. But I'm speaking strictly in terms of the established formula for Bond films; CR is certainly no Goldfinger or Skyfall plot-wise. It's really just an amazing movie in its' own right, free of the "Bond film" tag that apparently stops any of them from being ranked among the best films ever made. It doesn't stick to formula or conventions.
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
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    Thanks for putting my mind at rest.

    I was worried you might be the worst kind of shaken not stirred, gadget laden car, unfunny quips Brosnan die hard tick off the cliches Bond fan.
  • StirredNotShakenStirredNotShaken Toronto
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    Oh no, if you read my other posts around here you'll see I've got Brosnan as the worst Bond ever (and if you manage to get ranked below Moore, you've really managed to pull off something horrible haha). I feel that Bond should be portrayed in the films in a Flemingesque way, which is a big part of why my top four are LTK, OHMSS, TLD, and CR (along with the fact that all four are brilliant movies). I don't have anything against a good Bond film, but the ones with extreme escapism tend to rank lower for me. I've got a line of shame separating my bottom 8 from the rest, and Goldfinger is only the first or second film above that line. Just to cite one example (although I find Goldfinger's flaws to be more the fact that it's just a dull film).
  • BAIN123BAIN123
    edited July 2013 Posts: 11,189
    StirredNotShaken wrote:
    Oh no, if you read my other posts around here you'll see I've got Brosnan as the worst Bond ever (and if you manage to get ranked below Moore, you've really managed to pull off something horrible haha). I feel that Bond should be portrayed in the films in a Flemingesque way, which is a big part of why my top four are LTK, OHMSS, TLD, and CR (along with the fact that all four are brilliant movies). I don't have anything against a good Bond film, but the ones with extreme escapism tend to rank lower for me. I've got a line of shame separating my bottom 8 from the rest, and Goldfinger is only the first or second film above that line. Just to cite one example (although I find Goldfinger's flaws to be more the fact that it's just a dull film).

    Bond adventures have always been about "extreme escapism" though. Fleming himself once refers to his own work as "high flown romanticised charicatures" at the end of You Only Live Twice. They were/are "fairytales for adults". The difference was that I don't think the books were particularly comedic. They were sometimes over-the-top (hence the escapism) but the tone was relitively straight.

    I think that CR (and SF) gets that balance right of being an escapist adventure grownded in reality. Its not too dour or po-faced like QoS.
  • StirredNotShakenStirredNotShaken Toronto
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    By "extreme escapism" I generally refer to DAD and Moonraker. I don't have anything against the volcano lair from YOLT, I love that sequence.
  • BAIN123BAIN123
    edited July 2013 Posts: 11,189
    StirredNotShaken wrote:
    By "extreme escapism" I generally refer to DAD and Moonraker. I don't have anything against the volcano lair from YOLT, I love that sequence.

    Agreed, I don't have any problems with the clown sequence from OP either as I think its still played relitively straight (but I admit that, while a fan of OP, there are some other bits I don't like)
  • StirredNotShakenStirredNotShaken Toronto
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    I used to hate the clown sequence but, as expressed in the debate thread, it was necessary for him to get onto the base. Only thing I don't like is the gimmick of him having changed into the clown costume in three quarters of a second. Same with how he somehow gets out of the gorilla suit. I just find OP to be a greatly enjoyable movie, even though on a technical level it's pretty bad. It still made it into my top ten and is definitely the most out of place entry in my rankings when DAD, DAF, and MR are my bottom three. I mean, unlike those three movies, OP has a great villain, which can be the life or death of a Bond film, a meh Bond girl (I was never a fan of Adams but she's much better than anything offered in the other three films) and one of my favourite Moore performances. There's still so much stupidity and bad in Octopussy and yet somehow it was made into a fantastic film, despite it being far from any sort of cinematic masterpiece. The pretitle sequence is absolutely stupid and among the worst in the series, and I LOVE IT TO NO END.

    And of course, to quote myself, how can you argue with a line like "You have a NAAAASTY habit... of surviving!"
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