Which Bond female character demise provided the greatest impact

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  • DB5DB5
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    Samuel001 wrote:
    I know I've said this many times before but:

    Diamonds Are Forever follows You Only Live Twice.

    For Your Eyes Only follows On Her Majesty's Secret Service.

    Simple. We just have two versions of the Bond vs. Blofeld battle.

    I've never heard that theory, but it actually makes a lot sense. Because otherwise why does Blofeld introduce himself to Bond in YOLT and then not recognize him when he goes to Piz Gloria posing as Sir Hilary Bray in OHMSS? So it's similar to DN and CR where we have two different film versions of how Bond meets Felix Leiter. So in alternate Bond universe #1 YOLT occurs immediately after TB followed immediately by DAF and there is no TSWLM, FYEO or LTK. In alternate Bond universe #2 OHMSS follws immediately after TB and there is no DAF but there is a TSWLM, FYEO and LTK. And in alternate Bond universe #3 the only films that exist are CR and QoS and the previous 20 films don't exist. I get it now!

  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    DB5 wrote:
    Samuel001 wrote:
    I know I've said this many times before but:

    Diamonds Are Forever follows You Only Live Twice.

    For Your Eyes Only follows On Her Majesty's Secret Service.

    Simple. We just have two versions of the Bond vs. Blofeld battle.

    I've never heard that theory, but it actually makes a lot sense. Because otherwise why does Blofeld introduce himself to Bond in YOLT and then not recognize him when he goes to Piz Gloria posing as Sir Hilary Bray in OHMSS? So it's similar to DN and CR where we have two different film versions of how Bond meets Felix Leiter. So in alternate Bond universe #1 YOLT occurs immediately after TB followed immediately by DAF and there is no TSWLM, FYEO or LTK. In alternate Bond universe #2 OHMSS follws immediately after TB and there is no DAF but there is a TSWLM, FYEO and LTK. And in alternate Bond universe #3 the only films that exist are CR and QoS and the previous 20 films don't exist. I get it now!

    I get it, but Bond universe #2 must also include LALD (same Leiter as LTK, plus this covers the "Mrs. Bond" doubletake, just in case). And why not throw in TWINE ("Have you ever lost a loved one?") as well?

    Basically, Connery's films need to be in their own alternate universe since Tracy is never mentioned or even acknowledged.

    There are other issues, though, like Bernard Lee and Lois Maxwell.
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    Surprised this even got off the ground after last night etc

    I'll be honest and say that the death of Tracy Draco never did much for me, was I being heartless?, I was always indifferent to the Rigg character, although I felt genuine sympathy for Lazenby (Bond) but never after a watch do I think anymore about it. I've never been that affected by her killing, I'm not really a fan of OHMSS, or Lazenby or even Diana Rigg as an actress, even though she is a lovely individual I'm sure. We can talk all night about the Tracy atrocity but that's how I feel about this particular Bond girl's passing. I thought worth asking why do we see Bond attending his wife's grave 12 years after the incident (supposing that For Your Eyes Only did indeed take place in the timeline of 1981), and never once before, there were vague references made once or twice before it such as in Spy but we never actually saw Bond make a visit until 1981 after the killing to see his wife, I feel I'm backing myself into a corner actually with this, but I just did think about it for a moment, probably nothing at all etc. Don't know what it all means but surely Diamonds are Forever should of capitalized on the OHMSS ending and had the revenge aspect (with Lazenby as Bond), but that never came to pass and we instead we got an out of sorts and out of shape Connery Bond 'making mud pies' and the bottom line is, Tracy Draco just went by the wayside in that release and it's as though she was swept under the carpet and forgotten about really, we only got a tangible reference 12 years later in the For Your Eyes Only opening, I thought it was much more clearer than the Spy chat with Major Amasova, which only lasted a few seconds

    Someone mentioned the Aki poisoning in You Only Live Twice. I completely forgot about that and that is indeed worth a mention, but Helga Brandt's was more shocking for me in that release

    And also, omitted Corrine Dufour and her attacks by the dogs in Moonraker, but then again, that scene or sequence did nothing for me at all, I wasn't shocked or anything such, I was more impressed with the music above all else

    The Eva Green drowning, and I said it before, surely warrants first place for me in the top ranking of 'Bond women deaths' of the series, have to say I did like her character, even though I thought the sinking building sequence in Venice, implausible and ridiculous, when I first saw it on it's original release it did leave an impression, a most moving demise I thought, and a realistic drowning, it did leave a mark, well done to all involved. But have to say, the idea of Bond (Craig) falling in love so quickly i.e., they meet on a train in Montenegro If I remember - 'I'm the Money' etc, and in no time at all they're like Romeo and Juliet almost, it was all a bit sudden, relationships invariably don't materialize that quick, It was a bit hard to swallow even, but it is after all, just a movie but there you are. Casino Royale can seem a bit confusing or ambiguous for some at times, me included, but above all else I'm tired and not thinking on all fronts maybe but that's how I feel about it, I do myself no favors sometimes, but as said, Lynd death the one greatest moment of the franchise for Bond women character deaths for me, it seems like a clear winner, poignant and touching even
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    It's really too late now to continue but any last words on this before it sails off into the sunset etc

    The thing with the Tracy issue was that - In the film chronology, James Bond is tracking Blofeld in the pre-title credits sequence of Diamonds Are Forever, but it is only assumed Bond is doing so to avenge Tracy's murder, as she is never mentioned. Originally, it had been planned that On Her Majesty's Secret Service would end with Bond and Tracy driving away from their wedding. The scenes where she was shot were filmed at the same time with the intention that they would form the pre-title sequence of Diamonds Are Forever. This was rendered inviable, as it would have meant either having two actors play Bond in Diamonds Are Forever or re-filming Tracy's death with the new actor as Bond, so the scenes were added to the end of On Her Majesty's Secret Service. Also Tracy tried to take her own life at the very start of OHMSS, due to the death of her child from a previous marriage as you'll be aware, that would of been a sad ending for sure, but Lazenby came to the rescue and the rest is history, I still feel the eventual killing at the end feels a little overrated sometimes

    I also said on the original thread, and included, Elektra King being slain by Bond, first time James Bond actually kills a woman in cold blood, although it didn't do an awful lot for me, I wasn't that impressed by the Marceau character and thought it no great loss even. Also, the Paris Carver demise, i.e. I was merely wondering what heinous acts Kaufmann was orchestrating before Bond finds her in the Hamburg hotel room, that was never elaborated on, and it only gets my attention because of Kaufmanns silly acting and Brosnan's almost flippant attitude to his seemingly impending demise himself

    also, Miss Anders in Golden Gun, I sometimes found that a bit creepy, and of course Eaton in Goldfinger, with her incased in Gold paint, probably one of the most iconic scenes of the entire series and recognizable to all, not even familiar with Bond maybe. They tried to replicate this in Quantum Of Solace with the Arterton character and failed dismally with it, wish they'd leave some of the damn original scenes alone sometimes but what can you do. Just let it rest

    It's just how I feel about it, time for some sleep maybe

    :-<
  • Tracy for me. One thing I like is that in the film they both saved each other at one point. The "Mrs. Bond shut up" line to me always showed that Bond felt Tracy gave him a future. I would be thrilled if they decided to somehow go back and redo DAF, or bring back Blofeld, just so we can have the proper ending we and Tracy desereve.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
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    For me Vesper, without a doubt. She was the first woman Bond truly loved and was loved in return and it changed/shaped him immeasurably forever. And I want to add that Eva Green was the perfect Vesper.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    For me Vesper, without a doubt. She was the first woman Bond truly loved and was loved in return and it changed/shaped him immeasurably forever. And I want to add that Eva Green was the perfect Vesper.

    She was even before Tracy, if we go by the Fleming novels, so yes, she was his first love. And Eva was the greatest choice for that role, and I can't picture any other actress doing it better. I love her so much and she is a good part of why Vesper is my favorite Bond girl.
  • DB5DB5
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    I'll be honest and say that the death of Tracy Draco never did much for me, was I being heartless?, I was always indifferent to the Rigg character, although I felt genuine sympathy for Lazenby (Bond) but never after a watch do I think anymore about it. I've never been that affected by her killing, I'm not really a fan of OHMSS, or Lazenby or even Diana Rigg as an actress, even though she is a lovely individual I'm sure.

    You wouldn't say that if you'd seen her play Emma Peel in "The Avengers." That was one absolutely gorgeous woman!



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    Purely coincidental. I had nothing to do with it

    Yes, I've seen the Avengers, but even her Peel character did nothing for me, not that it was supposed to. I just don't find Rigg as an actress that alluring or interesting, just as with Honor Blackman for instance, but I'm sure they're nice individuals. The Death of Tracy Di Vicenzo just left me tepid. I felt more upset or moved by Corrine Dufour's mauling in Moonraker, or even Lana Wood in Diamonds are Forever. Obviously, in a minority, but there's no sense in lying. I was slightly agitated they didn't elaborate on it in the next release in 1971 with Lazenby, it could of been a very good adventure, but of course he was unavailable and the revenge aspect went by the wayside in favor of some story about stockpiling of Diamonds in order to fashion a laser satellite etc. But yet again, never was that moved or however you put it, about the killing of Tracy, I was kind of indifferent, just one Bond girl that didn't work for me. Bond fans come in all shapes and sizes and with an array of different opinions
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    Rigg does nothing for me, physically or in her career. I wasn't crazy about her in the film, from what I can recall, and she just doesn't have any incredible looks about her. She's pretty plain, in my eyes.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    Creasy47 wrote:
    Rigg does nothing for me, physically or in her career. I wasn't crazy about her in the film, from what I can recall, and she just doesn't have any incredible looks about her. She's pretty plain, in my eyes.

    Same here.
  • Although not a major impression, the death of Paula (an ally to Bond) in Thunderball provided an impact...for that movie.
    I'm only stating this cos' I get the impression the earlier films are being forgotten...
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    Rambiritch wrote:
    Although not a major impression, the death of Paula (an ally to Bond) in Thunderball provided an impact...for that movie.
    I'm only stating this cos' I get the impression the earlier films are being forgotten...
    The best decade of films being forgotten? You make me laugh. They will never be forgotten, not while we are all around.
  • Vesper Lynd. I really thought Eva Green was great as Vesper! You really cared about her. So when she met her demise at the end of Casino Royale I was very sad.
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    The only ones that ever actually made me feel sad were Tracy and Della.

    I feel a bit sad when Elektra dies but the rest I never really cared all that much about. Even Vesper dying didn't really make me sad and they made that pretty dramatic (although that one probably had the biggest impact since QOS was all about Bond getting over her. Tracy got a few mentions but nothing like that.

    In Skyfall
    I felt sad about Severine dying, but that was because she was so underused and I was sad that they felt the need to kill her off so early.

    You all thought I was going to say M didn't you? Well I felt bad for Bond but M dying didn't really make me sad or make an impact. I never liked Dench's M much in Craigs films, although I did enjoy her more in SF.

    I'll be fair, it probably didn't help that I predicted it as soon as I heard what the film was about.
    Creasy47 wrote:
    Rigg does nothing for me, physically or in her career. I wasn't crazy about her in the film, from what I can recall, and she just doesn't have any incredible looks about her. She's pretty plain, in my eyes.

    Same here.

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    Cmon, none of us would turn this down ;)
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    I also agree that Vesper's did. You could argue for Tracy, but you would be wrong as she was completely forgotten when we were graced with DAF's presence.


    Really? I believe Tracy wasn't forgotten in "TSWLM", "FYEO" and "LTK".
  • Even dressed like that, you'd turn her down?

    Your loss. Just means I get her all to myself (to be clear, I am talking about her in the 60s, I'd say no now, haha).
  • I feel Green's demise in Royale could well be the most poignant and memorable of all the releases. It was actually very well done, and many will have an inherent fear of drowning, so it can be an awkward watch. I would of liked to have seen her again in one more release, but it wasn't to be, but that year did give us quite a memorable exit for leading Bond girls

    Lana Wood had a similar exit in Diamonds are Forever, but while not a pleasant way to go, it was a character I cared little for, so just felt indifferent to her demise

    If not mentioned, the Stromberg secretary in Spy, eaten by sharks, and Corrine Dufour in Moonraker, savaged by Drax's dogs, were also memorable and you can't leave out Helga Brandt, and her piranha misfortunes

    Volpe getting shot by one of her own men while dancing with Bond, actually did nothing for me, in that it was a lame exit and simply generated no feeling. Sure, she's a very nice looking woman, and I would liked to have seen more of her, but it's just an incident that provided 'no impact', for the benefit of the thread title
  • ChevronChevron Northern Ireland
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    Yes to Tracey. And yes to Vesper.

    But I'll always feel bad about poor old Fields. She was very underused in the QOS, but the description of how she died... wow, harsh. So personally that had a bit of impact.
  • Just to that, I have no feeling for Field's exit at all, or demise, simply in that they abused the original Shirley Eaton incident from Goldfinger and did it again, this time oil, for gold paint, and it was a disaster of a decision. I wonder how Eaton herself felt about it. Such an insult to the original scene from 1964

    Furthermore, Fields was a character I cared zero for, only on screen for a brief time, and not overly pretty or anything, and just a waste of screen space all said. I should of been applauding her death, and may have done, if they had done it a different way, but all I could feel was anger to a small degree, or maybe I just didn't care. Certainly for her character if nothing else
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    For me the stand out 2 are Tracey and Vesper!
  • I didn't get that much feeling from Rigg's character, and maybe people were generally upset when Di Vicenzo, sorry, Mrs Bond, gets shot, but it always did do nothing for me. Eva Green's was much more poignant and memorable than what occured in OHMSS

    It's well documented that George and Rigg didn't get on too well during production, and I feel sometimes that it shows on screen. Just wasn't the chemistry there that everyone always insists is so prevalent
  • If we are only including the girls and not older characters as well then Tracy. By the time we lost vesper we were all expecting it and had seen bond go through this before but his reaction to Tracy was a great shock for me (I thought he'd try to brush it off for the film version) but vesper is a very close second.
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