HaphazardStuff CR review series. *Daniel Craig intro online*

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  • M_BaljeM_Balje Amsterdam, Netherlands
    edited October 2014 Posts: 4,446
    Finaly he is back with the first part of QOS

    http://haphazardstuff.com/QuantumofSolace.html

    A lot of mistakes in the beginning and misunderstandings of movie. Claiming the producers does not know title before production and must think a lot time about it. Already in making CR there know the title, it is part of Casino Royale teaser trailer. Also i disagree what he said about maintitle, exept the part of song. It is not moost beautifull one, but lyrics are smart. Whyle of course the song from Adele for Skyfall is both. Very curious to part 2 and part 3. Of course there also stil quistions left from CR in my opnion, but with so much people don't understand what there doing with QOS and Skyfall, mabey no wonder possible there wil delay conclussion again to Bond 25.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    Pass.
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    I usually agree with most of what he says but here I don't buy it. But will be interesting to see what he says next. Obviously he doesn't like QoS. Yes it was rushed, yes it could have been better. But he seems to want to ignore anything positive about it.
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    Interesting. It's obviously incomplete but I do like the way he disects the production and creative process. I actually quite like QoS and much prefer it over the drab and predictable Skyfall, but he's right when he rips into the title score and PTS, along with the sketchy 4 elements mumbo jumbo. I'll be interested to see whether he's a slave to fashion and praises SF. I somehow think he might not be so forgiving of that one either judging by his little asides about the unfulfilled promise that CR set up and seemed to under achieve. Clearly he likes to titles of SF so we already know where he stands on that.
  • edited October 2014 Posts: 11,189
    Listening to this now. His comment about Martin Campbell "wowing everyone with Green Lantern" made me chuckle.

    This video has made me realise my slight dislike for Forster. Seeing footage of him in that leather jacket, shaved head and slightly irritating voice kind of urks me a bit. I see a man wanting to come off as trendy.

    Its funny also how he mentions the sudden introduction of loud music after a quiet, sombre ending. Couldn't you also make that same argument about OHMSS?
  • edited October 2014 Posts: 11,425
    BAIN123 wrote: »
    Listening to this now. His comment about Martin Campbell "wowing everyone with Green Lantern" made me chuckle.

    This video has made me realise my slight dislike for Forster. Seeing footage of him in that leather jacket, shaved head and slightly irritating voice kind of urks me a bit. I see a man wanting to come off as trendy.

    Its funny also how he mentions the sudden introduction of loud music after a quiet, sombre ending. Couldn't you also make that same argument about OHMSS?

    I know. I agree as much as any one else that the gunbarrel should be at the start, but claiming that having it at the end ruins the end of the movie is not very convincing.

    I'm a defender of QoS, as I just don't think it's as bas as some people make out. I certainly don't think the title song and credits are as bad as he says. The titles are a bit bland, but they definitely look better than some of the 80s Binder titles, where he was clearly just running out of ideas (and budgets, by the look of it).

    It will definitely be interesting to see what he says about the rest of the film though. I think the elements thing is clearly garbage and adds nothing to the film. But I think picking apart the plot and script (if he goes down that route) is not valid criticism. Considering the issues they had while making it, I think the plot and script actually stand up surprisingly well.

    The clips of Forster, Craig and the rest of the cast umming and ahhing their way through the interviews is quite funny I suppose. Clearly no one really had much idea of what the film was about. But frankly that's a bit of a red herring, as if every Bond movie needs to have some grand theme - when quite the opposite is usually the case. I think CR was so rich in terms of the relationship between Bond and Vesper, that EON and Forster felt they really needed to match it with some grand narrative arc. I understand that and can see why Babs is trying to make out QoS is some amazingly complex movie (which it isn't), but ultimately that's not why I like QoS. I like QoS because it has a whole series of great scenes and because after CR I do actually appreciate it's faster pacing and general lack of padding.
  • edited October 2014 Posts: 11,189
    I can see his point about AWTD though. I admit to having it on my ipod in 2008 and even playing it a few times...but a great Bond song it certainly is not. Going back and listening to it after a few years it does feel rather disappointing. Madonna's DAD at least kind of works as a dance track.

    Also, I remember I thought the same thing some time ago about scrapping the opening chase entirely and having the interrogation/foot-chase as the PTS. The shot of Craig firing the gun into the camera seems like a missed opportunity,

    I'm interested to know too what he has to say about the boat chase. For me that has to be one of the most disappointing action scenes in the series.
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    BAIN123 wrote: »
    I can see his point about AWTD though. I admit to having it on my ipod in 2008 and even playing it a few times...but a great Bond song it certainly is not. Going back and listening to it after a few years it does feel rather disappointing. Madonna's DAD at least kind of works as a dance track.

    I understand why people don't like it. I think it's disappointing, but probably not the worst. Most of the recent ones have been pretty forgetable to be honest. I actually think Surrender and YKMN are the best of the recent years.

  • edited October 2014 Posts: 11,189
    As a title song I really like Adele's Skyfall. That's still my favourite in Craig's films.

    Brosnan's has to be GE ("dun..dun..dun..dun") and possibly Surrender.
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    BAIN123 wrote: »
    As a title song I really like Adele's Skyfall. That's still my favourite in Craig's films.

    Brosnan's has to be GE ("dun..dun..dun..dun") and possibly Surrender.

    Yes Skyfall's is good, but I still feel like it's a song that is building to something but never quite gets there - i.e. the big crescendo. It's a point that was made in a lot of reviews when it came out, and I still think holds true. And it doesn't rank very highly on the hummable charts IMO. Having said that, what there is of it is very good, and had it been worked into the overall score better then it would have added hugely to the overall film. I don't know who to blame for that. All I know is that I find Newman's score pretty dull.
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    I'm glad that Hap has finally decided to takle QoS. I must say he is off to a bumpy start as he finds little to like about the film. Can't wait to see the rest of his review on this direct sequel.
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    BAIN123 wrote: »
    Its funny also how he mentions the sudden introduction of loud music after a quiet, sombre ending. Couldn't you also make that same argument about OHMSS?

    I thought the same thing. In fact I'd argue that the Bond Theme is more out of place at the end of Majesty. 'We have all the time in the world' would have been a more fitting tune to put over the ending credits.
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    jobo wrote: »
    BAIN123 wrote: »
    Its funny also how he mentions the sudden introduction of loud music after a quiet, sombre ending. Couldn't you also make that same argument about OHMSS?

    I thought the same thing. In fact I'd argue that the Bond Theme is more out of place at the end of Majesty. 'We have all the time in the world' would have been a more fitting tune to put over the ending credits.

    That's a fair point and I agree. Though one could argue that this downbeat ending for OHMSS was a first for Bond films so they probably wanted to end on an upbeat tempo as people vacated their seats and headed for the exit. The strange thing is in modern cinema it's all about mood music rather than melody, so I think from a modern perspective Hap is right to question the creative choices made here. Also, I don't really recall people sticking around much at the end titles other than to see what the next Bond picture would be called. I certainly left the cinema back in 1970 on a high after watching the epic OHMSS and the Bond theme didn't bother me back then either. It's only with VHS/DVD that these things come to the surface.

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    To be honest the use of the Bond theme at the end of OHMSS really doesn't bother me much either. I don't think it dilutes the power of the final scene. I was just pointing out that the same argument could apply to both films.
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    I might just clarify, to avoid confusion, that I probably should have written "if the upbeat ending indeed would be a problem in either film, it would be more out of place at the end of majesty." The Bond theme doesn't bother in either Majesty nor Quantum.
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    BAIN123 wrote: »
    To be honest the use of the Bond theme at the end of OHMSS really doesn't bother me much either. I don't think it dilutes the power of the final scene. I was just pointing out that the same argument could apply to both films.

    It doesn't bother me, but watching it recently I do remember wondering why they didn't use WHATTITW'
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    Hap does make a good point of how DAF could have been a direct sequel but the producers tossed the opportunity. Seems that Qos was rushed into production only two years
    after CR and it seems that EON is best served by waiting a few more years between films and the ability to "get it right".
    Gone are the days when EON turned the films out every year and later every two years. Four years between DAD and CR
    Now same number between Qos and SF....
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    I just watched the second part of the review (its a long one, with two more parts to come later). And I'm a little surprised. I in no way expected a love fest, but I would have thought to see at least one or two positive notes in there. So far there aren't any, and the review is turning out to be a Hap bashing like no other. Even with DAD he seemed slightly more enthusiastic than with this one.

    He makes some very good Points regarding the action and editing, sprinkled with some quite hilarious editing of his own as one would expect. But sometimes he loses me aswell. I don't get why Dominique Greene is allegedly such a terrible villain. He is not a classic Bond adversary, but if I'd expect enyone to appreciate the new angle and the uniqueness of his character, it would be Hap... And why does every villain need an elaborate introduction? He makes a point that Camille serves little purpose, and easily could have been dropped from the script. But can't that be said about a lot of the previous Bond Girls? (We disagree elsewhere as well, but I won't go more into detail...)

    His reviews are still a joy to watch, although he is a bit one note in this one.
  • SuperintendentSuperintendent A separate pool. For sharks, no less.
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    jobo wrote: »
    He makes some very good Points regarding the action and editing, sprinkled with some quite hilarious editing of his own as one would expect.

    Yes, his montage at the end was very funny and he made a very good point about the editing of action scenes in QoS.
  • M_BaljeM_Balje Amsterdam, Netherlands
    edited November 2014 Posts: 4,446
    Camile is very strong woman as said him self. When Camile return and or this wil be played by Olga or Caterina ZetaJones she wil be even more stronger. Also people complanes sometimes that things are explaint to fast and complane it take to long before we discover what she doing there. Sometimes it look like there are signals that he knows what there doing. I understand his comments about pushing things forword, that's what you get if wait to long with this review ot mabey like me be bit to much in to over analyze the movie. Thanks to the producers who wait 4 years and then stil we not get pusing things forward and iam afraid there wil again delay things til Bond 25 who possible not wil be released in 2017 but 2018 and that mean it is then 10 years later. This whole time thing i see as something postive, but it time now. Don't vergot that Lechiefe is right, this going to take a lot of time. But it also mean DC need real standalone before he leaves and and on this moment i don't have trust this wil be Bond 25. At this moment there is nothing confirmd what look like Quantum, Camile and mabey even Felix wil return in Bond 24 yet. I hope in his all critical comments he also wil say more about that and of course iam curious about Skyfall and or wil change his opnion about QOS.


    He use more pictures then video footage this time and program he is use already very slow.
  • edited November 2014 Posts: 2,341
    I just watched Hap's pt 2 of QoS and his comments about the editing are quite detailed and spot on. As for Camille, I never cared for her and I have always wished that she had never even been in the film. I think all she does is muddle up the basic plot and the film should have kept to Bond v. his heartbreak, and the Quantum storyline.

    The idea of her confronting Green about the contract he put on her was kinda "off the rails". Not like she confronted him in a crowded restaurant or opera, no she goes to a loading dock where no one sees her enter and no one has to see her leave. He could have easily disposed of her then and there. That makes no sense at all.
  • edited November 2014 Posts: 11,189
    I listened to part 2 a few days ago. He certainly sounds more pissed off with QoS than with DAD. At least with DAD he admitted he was laughing at it while re-watching it but here he just seems annoyed and let down with the film.

    I'm sort of with him about Camile. I think I prefer her to Stacey (and DEFINITELY Goodnight) but I'm not sure she leaves much of an impression at the end. Olga gives a good enough performance but I remember feeling a bit indifferent towards the character when I walked out the cinema.
  • edited November 2014 Posts: 11,189
    Part 3 is now up

    After 5 seconds I'm already in agreement :p
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    BAIN123 wrote: »
    Part 3 is now up

    After 5 seconds I'm already in agreement :p

    I'm starting to find his negativity a bit tiring to be honest. He even complained about the opera scene! :O
  • edited November 2014 Posts: 11,189
    I think he over-analyses the boat chase a bit too much just so he get across a point most of us already know - the editing is unclear and poor.

    He does give a good point about the lack of impact regarding Greene's scheme. I felt the same thing, it's just a few high powered men discussing things and, other than a few brief shots, we never really get all that invested in what he's doing. We don't feel the impact in the way the film-makers wanted us to.

    From what I'm hearing this is the most frustrated review from HH I've heard.
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    jobo wrote: »
    I just watched the second part of the review (its a long one, with two more parts to come later). And I'm a little surprised. I in no way expected a love fest, but I would have thought to see at least one or two positive notes in there. So far there aren't any, and the review is turning out to be a Hap bashing like no other. Even with DAD he seemed slightly more enthusiastic than with this one.

    He makes some very good Points regarding the action and editing, sprinkled with some quite hilarious editing of his own as one would expect. But sometimes he loses me aswell. I don't get why Dominique Greene is allegedly such a terrible villain. He is not a classic Bond adversary, but if I'd expect enyone to appreciate the new angle and the uniqueness of his character, it would be Hap... And why does every villain need an elaborate introduction? He makes a point that Camille serves little purpose, and easily could have been dropped from the script. But can't that be said about a lot of the previous Bond Girls? (We disagree elsewhere as well, but I won't go more into detail...)

    His reviews are still a joy to watch, although he is a bit one note in this one.

    My issues with his review so far (I haven't seen part 3). Greene may not be the greatest villain or have the greatest introduction, but he is more a schemer type of villain (like Kronsteen), who even though he has outbursts of psychotic violence sometimes when cornered, will rather use manipulation to get off a tight spot. I was sold about him giving Camille to Medrano just so he could make her suffer the final humiliation of dying the same way as her mother, by the same man who killed them. That is, I think, in character. Not the most efficient way to kill someone bothering you, but this is what the cocktail of cruelty mixed with hubris does. Dr No wanted to feed Honey Ryder to the crabs, it didn't work either.

    As for Camille's presence in the story, she was a classic Bond girl inspired by Judy Havelock from the short story, for one. And not all Bond girls do all that much but bring character to the story. And she complicates things for Bond, which is the function of many Bond girls.

    People often that QOS does not feel like a Bond movie, imagine if there was no Bond girl in it.
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    Watching part 3. Am I the only one who actually love the taxi scene? It adds a bit of humour in a movie that has little of it, I also have met many taxi drivers like this.
  • edited November 2014 Posts: 7,500
    Ludovico wrote: »
    jobo wrote: »
    I just watched the second part of the review (its a long one, with two more parts to come later). And I'm a little surprised. I in no way expected a love fest, but I would have thought to see at least one or two positive notes in there. So far there aren't any, and the review is turning out to be a Hap bashing like no other. Even with DAD he seemed slightly more enthusiastic than with this one.

    He makes some very good Points regarding the action and editing, sprinkled with some quite hilarious editing of his own as one would expect. But sometimes he loses me aswell. I don't get why Dominique Greene is allegedly such a terrible villain. He is not a classic Bond adversary, but if I'd expect enyone to appreciate the new angle and the uniqueness of his character, it would be Hap... And why does every villain need an elaborate introduction? He makes a point that Camille serves little purpose, and easily could have been dropped from the script. But can't that be said about a lot of the previous Bond Girls? (We disagree elsewhere as well, but I won't go more into detail...)

    His reviews are still a joy to watch, although he is a bit one note in this one.

    My issues with his review so far (I haven't seen part 3). Greene may not be the greatest villain or have the greatest introduction, but he is more a schemer type of villain (like Kronsteen), who even though he has outbursts of psychotic violence sometimes when cornered, will rather use manipulation to get off a tight spot. I was sold about him giving Camille to Medrano just so he could make her suffer the final humiliation of dying the same way as her mother, by the same man who killed them. That is, I think, in character. Not the most efficient way to kill someone bothering you, but this is what the cocktail of cruelty mixed with hubris does. Dr No wanted to feed Honey Ryder to the crabs, it didn't work either.

    As for Camille's presence in the story, she was a classic Bond girl inspired by Judy Havelock from the short story, for one. And not all Bond girls do all that much but bring character to the story. And she complicates things for Bond, which is the function of many Bond girls.

    People often that QOS does not feel like a Bond movie, imagine if there was no Bond girl in it.


    Exactly! Couldn't have put it better myself! And it does come off a bit ridiculous to question a Bond villain for not choosing the most effective way off killing his enemies...


    Ludovico wrote: »
    Watching part 3. Am I the only one who actually love the taxi scene? It adds a bit of humour in a movie that has little of it, I also have met many taxi drivers like this.

    No, I like it too.
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