Controversial opinions about Bond films

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  • Agent007391Agent007391 Up, Up, Down, Down, Left, Right, Left, Right, B, A, Start
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    for Quantum Of Solace, you have Live and Let Die, Golden Gun, The Spy Who Loved Me, Moonraker and For Your Eyes Only as better James Bond movies

    Moonraker?
    Only Octopussy and A View To a Kill are anywhere as bad as Solace, and even then Octopussy may just be above it

    How... how exactly is Moore dressed like a clown better than QOS?
    A fair number of Moore's releases, were fun, vibrant, they had adventure

    Well, this is true, specifically the "fun" and "adventure" parts. I'm not entirely sure if "vibrant" qualifies, though.
    most often than not, they were damn childish nonsense and adolescent humor

    Yes, yes they were.
    you could keep track of events on screen without the need for a bucket to vomit in to such was the breakneck speed of some of Craig's most recent entry.

    What the hell are you - blargh! Ah... ah... sorry... threw up a little when I read that... oh... now, what the hell are you talking about? I found QOS very easy to follow (oddly enough, not as easy to remember afterward) while I'm usually lost half the time in Moonraker (I always forget that Bond goes to South America), For Your Eyes Only (I often forget where anything happens in that film), and A View to a Kill (What? When the hell did we get to San Francisco?).
    Yes, it was a serious Bond, with some decent actions bits here and there, but still a very lacklustre effort

    Now, c'mon, the final shootouts and battle with Greene redeems almost everything wrong about QOS. So, I think, does the car chase in the PTS.
    No matter what nobody says

    Who, exactly, are you implying is "nobody" here?
  • @Agent007391

    I respect your comments and your views and I thank you for taking an interest in what I said.

    We all have different opinions. That's what makes forums like this so good, because we can talk and debate things like this.

    My top 10 (in this order) is: The Spy Who Loved Me, From Russia With Love, Octopussy, Live and Let Die, On Her Majesty's Secret Service, Thunderball, The Living Daylights, Diamonds Are Forever, Moonraker and For Your Eyes Only. I think you would agree that's a pretty wide ranging mix of films (Licence To Kill is 11th) with different themes and different Bond's. I've not favoured the "serious" films or the "comedy" films or films with one type of actor.

    Certainly, Roger Moore appears 5 times in my top 10. Not because they are Roger Moore films but because they are good films and I enjoy them. Yes, call me sad/weird but I do enjoy Moonraker more than Casino Royale. In my opinion it is a better Bond film than Casino Royale or Quantum of Solace. It is only my opinion, I do not force it on to anyone though I do enjoy talking about it. What is troubling is the lack of acknowledgement for Moore's darker moments and movies. For Your Eyes Only is a terrific movie though some people judge it purely by the inclusion of Blofeld, Max the Parrot, Margaret Thatcher and the soundtrack, ignoring all the positives. Octopussy is one of the best Bond movies of the series, dark and serious. And what do people reduce it to in there assessment? The Tarzan yell (which is poor) and Bond dressed as a clown. They ignore the tense moments, the great dialogue between Bond girl and Bond and the terrific train/stop the bomb sequence. It's brilliant.

    But ultimately, that is just my opinion. Casino Royale is a fine movie. There are a lot of great points to it. Daniel Craig is simply marvellous as 007 (and I am a Roger Moore fan), the plot is terrific, the casino scene is up there in tension with the aforementioned train/bomb scene in Octopussy and the script is sparkling in places. For me, Vesper is the best Bond girl (or, more accurately, the Bond girl with the best dialogue). Her and Bond on the train is the series at it's best and I love every second of it. There is a lot missing from it but I accept it's a reboot and a change so it was bound to be different. Unfortunetly, I just do not enjoy it as much as the films listed above. Nor Do I enjoy it as much as A View To a Kill. It's not a slant on Casino Royale, I just enjoy certain movies more. But as my top 10 shows, i'm not biased to one certain type of movie. In time, Casino Royale may move up the list in my rankings. But at the moment, it is behind great films like Diamonds are Forever and Moonraker.

    As for Quantum of Solace, I do think it is the worst movie by far. Just a weak film, I think Craig was weaker in it than in Casino Royale but that's just my opinion. It may be controversial (as the thread title suggests) but that's not on purpose, everyone has there own tastes. Quantum of Solace was very poor in every way, I just don't enjoy it nor do I think it has a good plot or sub plot even. But that's my opinion.

    Those who love Craig films I respect because everyone has there tastes. But I just think that there are better films and better Bond films out there than them. I say this now, in a few years, my view may change. but at the moment, give me Bambi and Thumper, the Gondola and May Day any day of the week to the dullness of Cr and QOS

    Anyway, that's my opinion anyway. Feel free to comment back :)
  • Agent007391Agent007391 Up, Up, Down, Down, Left, Right, Left, Right, B, A, Start
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    @Agent007391

    I respect your comments and your views and I thank you for taking an interest in what I said.

    That... that actually surprises me.
    We all have different opinions. That's what makes forums like this so good, because we can talk and debate things like this.

    Have we actually all turned into broken records? I think this is the tenth or eleventh time I've read this, and two of them, I'm certain, were my own words.
    My top 10 (in this order) is: The Spy Who Loved Me, From Russia With Love, Octopussy, Live and Let Die, On Her Majesty's Secret Service, Thunderball, The Living Daylights, Diamonds Are Forever, Moonraker and For Your Eyes Only. I think you would agree that's a pretty wide ranging mix of films (Licence To Kill is 11th) with different themes and different Bond's. I've not favoured the "serious" films or the "comedy" films or films with one type of actor.

    Moonraker above FYEO? (And, for that matter, DAF above Moonraker?!) I'll give you all of them, except DAF, as being good films, and worthy of being in a top 10 list, except DAF, however, in what position do you place Brosnan's films?
    Certainly, Roger Moore appears 5 times in my top 10. Not because they are Roger Moore films but because they are good films and I enjoy them.

    I do have to interject here. Even if you don't feel that you find them good because they're Moore films, because you're a Moore fan, you feel more enjoyment out of them. It's probably not even conscious.

    I loved GE, and before Craig's version of Bond, it was probably my favorite film, but when Craig gave us the more realistic Bond, and I started to favor that, GE started to weaken to me. It took me a couple years to figure out why, exactly, this had happened, and it was that, somewhere deep inside, Brosnan's Bond had died in me, and Craig not only taken his place, but all others as well. I'm not happy about this, and I've tried to do everything I can to change it, but on some level (not a conscious one at all), Craig took over, and I find more enjoyment out of his films and video games than others.

    Our tastes are always dominated by our favorite Bonds, even if we don't notice it.
    Yes, call me sad/weird but I do enjoy Moonraker more than Casino Royale.

    Okay, you're sad/weird. :)
    In my opinion it is a better Bond film than Casino Royale or Quantum of Solace. It is only my opinion, I do not force it on to anyone though I do enjoy talking about it. What is troubling is the lack of acknowledgement for Moore's darker moments and movies.

    I, for one, don't brush off Moore's darker, tenser, more serious moments. I love them, in fact. My problem is when they seem to take a back seat just because Moore either wanted to say something funny, or the director asked him to say something funny (in my opinion, most of his jokes during M's briefings are uncalled for/not even funny).
    For Your Eyes Only is a terrific movie though some people judge it purely by the inclusion of Blofeld, Max the Parrot, Margaret Thatcher and the soundtrack, ignoring all the positives.

    People actually judge FYEO because Blofeld's in the PTS? Really? The first time I saw FYEO (before the Connery movies, in fact), I just wondered who the hell the bald guy in the wheelchair was, and didn't really consider him a factor in the movie. Once I found out who it was, I then asked why he was there, but I didn't base the quality of the film on that one scene. In fact, I considered it one of the best scenes in the film, mainly because it started off showcasing that Moore's Bond actually cares about his long deceased wife. I don't seem to remember Margaret Thatcher or a parrot (and I honestly don't think I've ever even heard the soundtrack), so I can't comment on those.
    Octopussy is one of the best Bond movies of the series, dark and serious. And what do people reduce it to in there assessment? The Tarzan yell (which is poor) and Bond dressed as a clown. They ignore the tense moments, the great dialogue between Bond girl and Bond and the terrific train/stop the bomb sequence. It's brilliant.

    I often make fun of the film because of the clown sequence (I forget about the Tarzan yell all the damn time), but other than those scenes, I did enjoy OP, and found it to be a very serious film for Moore (I especially like the Property of a Lady scenes, and all the Cold War drama). Honestly, I kind of like the clown scenes, too. They gave me something to mock.
    But ultimately, that is just my opinion. Casino Royale is a fine movie. There are a lot of great points to it. Daniel Craig is simply marvellous as 007 (and I am a Roger Moore fan), the plot is terrific, the casino scene is up there in tension with the aforementioned train/bomb scene in Octopussy and the script is sparkling in places. For me, Vesper is the best Bond girl (or, more accurately, the Bond girl with the best dialogue). Her and Bond on the train is the series at it's best and I love every second of it. There is a lot missing from it but I accept it's a reboot and a change so it was bound to be different. Unfortunetly, I just do not enjoy it as much as the films listed above. Nor Do I enjoy it as much as A View To a Kill.

    A View to a Kill? Dear God, man!
    It's not a slant on Casino Royale, I just enjoy certain movies more. But as my top 10 shows, i'm not biased to one certain type of movie. In time, Casino Royale may move up the list in my rankings. But at the moment, it is behind great films like Diamonds are Forever and Moonraker.

    Actually, based on your top 10, you seem to prefer the more serious films from certain Bonds. TSWLM, FRWL, OP, OHMSS, these are your 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 5th films in your 10, and all of them are more serious films (LALD I don't consider "serious", though it's in no real way comedic, either). I don't exactly see CR moving on your list (unless another DAD comes out... *shudder*).
    As for Quantum of Solace, I do think it is the worst movie by far. Just a weak film, I think Craig was weaker in it than in Casino Royale but that's just my opinion. It may be controversial (as the thread title suggests) but that's not on purpose, everyone has there own tastes. Quantum of Solace was very poor in every way, I just don't enjoy it nor do I think it has a good plot or sub plot even. But that's my opinion.

    You're not alone in thinking it's both the worst film, or that it's a weaker film than CR (I think it's weaker than CR, but not the worst film by far, that "honor" goes to DAD). Many people are of that opinion, and it's in no way controversial.
    Those who love Craig films I respect because everyone has there tastes. But I just think that there are better films and better Bond films out there than them. I say this now, in a few years, my view may change. but at the moment, give me Bambi and Thumper, the Gondola and May Day any day of the week to the dullness of Cr and QOS

    Could you have at least said, y'know, Jaws? Or Tee Hee? or the Lotus? Or Hugo Drax? Bambi, Thumper, that gondola and May Day? Really?
    Anyway, that's my opinion anyway. Feel free to comment back :)

    A well-written post, and certainly one that was entertaining to comment about. A good showing, all around.
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    Quantum of Solace is a better For Your Eyes Only, and FYEO is Moore's best entry (imo) so (imo) it is better than all the Moore films.
  • Agent007391Agent007391 Up, Up, Down, Down, Left, Right, Left, Right, B, A, Start
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    JWESTBROOK wrote:
    Quantum of Solace is a better For Your Eyes Only, and FYEO is Moore's best entry (imo) so (imo) it is better than all the Moore films.

    Controversial and nonsensical! A double header!

    How exactly is QOS a better FYEO, when they're nothing alike?
  • @Agent007391

    A very good and fair response I felt, and one I enjoyed reading. Again, thank you for taking the time to read/comment.

    Casino Royale is currently 16th in my ranking, bottom of the top 16 films in the series. After that top 11 I mentioned in my first post, there is a small gap between 11 and 12, with the next 5 films being in a group where they can be interchangeable and I'd still be happy:

    12) Goldfinger
    13) You Only Live Twice
    14) A View To A Kill
    15) Goldeneye
    16) Casino Royale

    There is a big gap (in my opinion) between 16 and 17 in my list (my bottom 6 from 17th to 22nd is The Man With The Golden Gun, Dr No, The World Is Not Enough, Die Another Day, Tomorrow Never Dies and Quantum of Solace) Casino Royale can only go higher and on a given day, it could be 12th. and let's face it, for it being such a new film, it's only going to improve with age in my ranking.

    With regards to Octopussy, it really is terrific. If I lived in Udaipor, I would go to that cinema which plays it every night just to enjoy it over and over again. I never get bored with it, it's brilliant. The clown scene is unbelievably tense...it's desperate, it's frantic and it's done behind a face of fun...it's menacing and striking in it's nature.

    I like DAF too. It may be seen as poor (and I do believe the passage of time/reassessment of OHMSS has done it no favours) but for me, I love it and enjoy it thoroughly.

    I love that no ones Bond film list would look identical, theres too much variety. I do like Daniel Craig as James Bond (i'm currently writing something about it). For me though (at the moment) he is only the 4th best Bond behind Moore, Connery and Dalton. It sounds bad, being 4th out of 6 but the actors ahead of him have all been brilliant. If Craig makes a few more (even if Skyfall is brilliant and he suddenly quits) I can see me moving him ahead of Dalton. To break into Connery/Moore territory will be asking a lot though I will settle for just good movies

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    I think the title sequences run far too long.

    I thnk he's a fan favorite but I didn't like Zorin.

    I think this is more controversial here than in the general population but if I had a choice, I'd rather have Brosnan as Bond than Craig.

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    JWESTBROOK wrote:
    Quantum of Solace is a better For Your Eyes Only, and FYEO is Moore's best entry (imo) so (imo) it is better than all the Moore films.

    Controversial and nonsensical! A double header!

    How exactly is QOS a better FYEO, when they're nothing alike?

    A tone of revenge in the plot, a darker interpretation of the Bond character, at first the good guys seem like the bad guys (Camille, Columbo).
  • I honestly don't see how anyone could put QOS above TSWLM, OP, LALD, and FYEO.
    How... how exactly is Moore dressed like a clown better than QOS?

    I'm sad OP is remembered for this because it's so much more than that. There's a great story, Moore on top form, a memorable henchman, 2 great villians, a good Bond girl, etc.

    Moore dressed as a clown helps keep up the tension because he's actually being serious while doing it. And when Roger Moore is being serious, you know there's trouble. Besides, it was just Bond using a disguise, which is sort of a spy's job.

    The only bits of OP I think are worse than QOS are some of the sight/sound gags, especially in the jungle chase. Other than that, I think it's a great top 10 Bond film and Moore's 2nd best.
  • I honestly don't see how anyone could put QOS above TSWLM, OP, LALD, and FYEO.
    How... how exactly is Moore dressed like a clown better than QOS?

    I'm sad OP is remembered for this because it's so much more than that. There's a great story, Moore on top form, a memorable henchman, 2 great villians, a good Bond girl, etc.

    Moore dressed as a clown helps keep up the tension because he's actually being serious while doing it. And when Roger Moore is being serious, you know there's trouble. Besides, it was just Bond using a disguise, which is sort of a spy's job.

    The only bits of OP I think are worse than QOS are some of the sight/sound gags, especially in the jungle chase. Other than that, I think it's a great top 10 Bond film and Moore's 2nd best.

    In a nutshell, you've gave a great summing up of a terrific Bond film. Octopussy is really fantastic in every single way. Great point made about the clown scene...there is nothing funny/stupid about it. It's just brilliant tension created by Moore. And it is the perfect disguise isn't it? A clown suit at a circus?

    The jungle chase is tense and well done...Moore looks stressed and bothered. Tarzan lets it down and that, my friends, is the only bad thing about Octopussy
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    Personally I thought there was a fair bit of character development and a few good insights into Bond during the Moore era, there were some nice nods to his past with references to Tracy in couple of the films and to a degree Bond aged with Moore, after Moonraker, he became slightly less of a playboy and more world weary, such as in the PTS of FYEO when the priest tells him "they said it's serious" to which Bond replies "it usually is".
  • The choice to play California Girls in the PTS of AVTAK was a masterstroke. It's not that bad and really is classic Bond

    It is better than any scene with Judy Dench, which are so cringy and awful
  • Agent007391Agent007391 Up, Up, Down, Down, Left, Right, Left, Right, B, A, Start
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    Roger Moore should have come in as Bond on DAF, left with OP, and AVTAK should have been pushed back to '86, to get a little script polish and an actor that would have played it better.
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    I prefer Moore and Brosnan's tenures to Craig's (so far, pre-Skyfall).

    Mind you Casino Royale alone almost bet both of their tenures, but I really wasn't impressed by Quantum of Solace. Skyfall will almost certainly put Craig's tenure above Brosnan's, and quite possibly Moore's as well.
  • Aziz_FekkeshAziz_Fekkesh Royale-les-Eaux
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    Oh this is going to be fun...

    -TND is Brosnan's best film and features his best performance as Bond
    -GE and GF are both overrated films in the series
    -MR is not a terrible film, definitely not the worst in the series
    -The plane stunt in the PTS of GE is worse than DAD's parasurfing scene
    -YOLT is the weakest '60's film by far and features a preposterous plot
    -I for one love the "Time to face gravity" line in DAD
    -All of David Arnold's scores are good. Not as memorable as Barry's best, but still better than most of the one off composers
    -QoS is a sadly misunderstood film and a good follow-up to CR
    -OP is probably Moore's third best film, only behind TSWLM and FYEO
    -DAD does have good ideas but suffers from horrible execution
    -GF is inferior to both DN and FRWL and is at times incredibly goofy and slow paced
    -A lazy, out of shape, disinterested Connery would have ruined OHMSS and Lazenby gives a commendable performance as a vulnerable, yet believably tough secret agent
    -Finally (and this is deals with the book series) I think DAF is one of Fleming's strongest entries into the series while OHMSS is actually poorly plotted and one of the weaker ones

    Wow, let the flaming begin!
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    No flames here. At all, actually.
    Welcome!!
  • Agent007391Agent007391 Up, Up, Down, Down, Left, Right, Left, Right, B, A, Start
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    Oh this is going to be fun...

    -TND is Brosnan's best film and features his best performance as Bond Yes
    -GE and GF are both overrated films in the series Yes to GF, no to GE
    -MR is not a terrible film, definitely not the worst in the series I've been saying that for years
    -The plane stunt in the PTS of GE is worse than DAD's parasurfing scene No
    -YOLT is the weakest '60's film by far and features a preposterous plot This honor belongs to GF
    -I for one love the "Time to face gravity" line in DAD I honestly thought it was a funny line
    -All of David Arnold's scores are good. Not as memorable as Barry's best, but still better than most of the one off composers What was wrong with Arnold? I at least remember his scores, as opposed to Barry's
    -QoS is a sadly misunderstood film and a good follow-up to CR Duh
    -OP is probably Moore's third best film, only behind TSWLM and FYEO Yeah
    -DAD does have good ideas but suffers from horrible execution Mainly the parasurfing and the invisible car, both were executed very horribly
    -GF is inferior to both DN and FRWL and is at times incredibly goofy and slow paced The whole film is slow, not just "at times"
    -A lazy, out of shape, disinterested Connery would have ruined OHMSS and Lazenby gives a commendable performance as a vulnerable, yet believably tough secret agent That's true
    -Finally (and this is deals with the book series) I think DAF is one of Fleming's strongest entries into the series while OHMSS is actually poorly plotted and one of the weaker ones I can't comment

    Wow, let the flaming begin!

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  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    Really??? I have not seen it yet, being a poor Yank waiting for a US release....
  • i have mixed feelings about the film, you may view it completely differently mate :-)
  • -TND is Brosnan's best film and features his best performance as Bond maybe best performance, but I prefer GE and TWINE overall
    -GE and GF are both overrated films in the series GF yes, GE no imo
    -MR is not a terrible film, definitely not the worst in the series Not the very worst bu I rank it low because they ruined Jaws. Great first half though, sort of like DAD, the problems start towards the end.
    -The plane stunt in the PTS of GE is worse than DAD's parasurfing scene Nah
    -YOLT is the weakest '60's film by far and features a preposterous plot I like YOLT. I think the weakest is actually DN, which I respect way more than I enjoy
    -I for one love the "Time to face gravity" line in DAD It was a funny line after a terrible fight
    -All of David Arnold's scores are good. Not as memorable as Barry's best, but still better than most of the one off composers I really like Arnold too
    -QoS is a sadly misunderstood film and a good follow-up to CR My least favourite, can't agree here. After CR I was expecting much better.
    -OP is probably Moore's third best film, only behind TSWLM and FYEO I actually think it's his 2nd best, I enjoy it more than FYEO
    -DAD does have good ideas but suffers from horrible execution The good ideas are executed fine I think, it's the bad ideas (like the parasurfing) that drag the film down.
    -GF is inferior to both DN and FRWL and is at times incredibly goofy and slow paced FRWL yes, DN no imo. GF is slow paced but I think DN is more boring.
    -A lazy, out of shape, disinterested Connery would have ruined OHMSS and Lazenby gives a commendable performance as a vulnerable, yet believably tough secret agent Whenever anybody says Connery should've done OHMSS I say this. Completely agree.
    -Finally (and this is deals with the book series) I think DAF is one of Fleming's strongest entries into the series while OHMSS is actually poorly plotted and one of the weaker ones I haven't read DAF but I just finished OHMSS and really enjoyed it. TB is still my favourite book though.

    Wow, let the flaming begin!

    No flaming from me since I agreed with lots of it and even when I disagreed I could understand why you thought that.
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    Oh this is going to be fun...

    -TND is Brosnan's best film and features his best performance as Bond Okay
    -GE and GF are both overrated films in the series Your opinion of course not a fact
    -MR is not a terrible film, definitely not the worst in the series I love MR
    -The plane stunt in the PTS of GE is worse than DAD's parasurfing scene agree
    -YOLT is the weakest '60's film by far and features a preposterous plot Don't agree
    -I for one love the "Time to face gravity" line in DAD agree
    -All of David Arnold's scores are good. Not as memorable as Barry's best, but still better than most of the one off composers disagree
    -QoS is a sadly misunderstood film and a good follow-up to CR Not misunderstood just a bad movie
    -OP is probably Moore's third best film, only behind TSWLM and FYEO you forget MR
    -DAD does have good ideas but suffers from horrible execution some parts do indeed
    -GF is inferior to both DN and FRWL and is at times incredibly goofy and slow paced your opinion not fact
    -A lazy, out of shape, disinterested Connery would have ruined OHMSS and Lazenby gives a commendable performance as a vulnerable, yet believably tough secret agent fully agree
    -Finally (and this is deals with the book series) I think DAF is one of Fleming's strongest entries into the series while OHMSS is actually poorly plotted and one of the weaker ones OHMSS is actually very an interesting book as it shows James Bond to become human who gets hurt. DAF is the Bond adventure based upon Flemings "The Diamond Smugglers" it is I feel a fairly low brow book with some nice moments. But the book is better than the movie and has some disservice done due to its placement in the movie franchise. The US gangsters are still a large cliche both in the book and movie.

    Wow, let the flaming begin!

    No real flaming going on.

    Say something negative about Bond23 and you'll see some flaming and nasty remarks. ;)

  • @SaintMark I think he was talking about the DAF/OHMSS books, not the films.
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    @SaintMark I think he was talking about the DAF/OHMSS books, not the films.

    You are right and I did change my writings.

  • Aziz_FekkeshAziz_Fekkesh Royale-les-Eaux
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    Already I'm liking these boards a lot more than IMDb--lots of friendly users and good debate in general. And I actually get responses to my posts! :)>-
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    Already I'm liking these boards a lot more than IMDb--lots of friendly users and good debate in general. And I actually get responses to my posts! :)>-
    Yes, I've found this to be a very lively site indeed!
  • I think FYEO is vastly overrated. Most people seem to feel it's a great spy film, taking Bond back to his espionage roots. In reality, the plot is as stupid as any in the series' history. Think about it: MI6 knows the basic area where the St. Georges went down. The Havelocks had pretty much located it when they were killed. But Bond wastes days fumbling around in Spain and Cortina, doing an unnecessary raid on an opium-smuggling operation, shuttling a 17-year-old ice skater around; when in reality all he had to do was GO TO THE SPOT WHERE THE BOAT SANK, check the Havelocks' logs, and poke around underwater a bit (which he FINALLY does an hour and a half into the film). What a waste of time, when national security is at stake.

    Don't get me wrong, I do enjoy the fact that the film uses material from Fleming (especially the terrific keelhauling sequence), and Gogol has probably his most effective appearance in the series (I love that he doesn't even speak a full sentence in that confrontation with Bond - I think all he says is "No!"). But overall, FYEO lacks the spectacle of the "fun" Bonds and the intelligence of the truly great ones. I do agree that it's Moore's second best after TSWLM, but that's not saying much. ;)
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    Oh this is going to be fun...

    -TND is Brosnan's best film and features his best performance as Bond
    He was good but i think his definining performance was in TWINE
    -GE and GF are both overrated films in the series
    Goldfinger maybe but Goldeneye is really good its up their with CR
    -MR is not a terrible film, definitely not the worst in the series
    Agreed QOS has that honour
    -The plane stunt in the PTS of GE is worse than DAD's parasurfing scene
    Hell No
    -YOLT is the weakest '60's film by far and features a preposterous plot
    Agreed the weakest 60s film
    -I for one love the "Time to face gravity" line in DAD
    i love it aswell it goes so well with the music playing in the background
    -All of David Arnold's scores are good. Not as memorable as Barry's best, but still better than most of the one off composers
    Defintely
    -QoS is a sadly misunderstood film and a good follow-up to CR
    Nope.avi
    -OP is probably Moore's third best film, only behind TSWLM and FYEO
    Its my 2nd Favourite Moore film behind FYEO,TSWLM and MR
    -DAD does have good ideas but suffers from horrible execution
    Exactly! it has a strong first half but when it gets to iceland it all goes downhill
    -GF is inferior to both DN and FRWL and is at times incredibly goofy and slow paced
    i like GF but FRWL is a bit better but GF is better than DrNo which is rather boring compared to the book version
    -A lazy, out of shape, disinterested Connery would have ruined OHMSS and Lazenby gives a commendable performance as a vulnerable, yet believably tough secret agent
    not necessiary it would have given Connery something good to work with instead of the generic forumula which bored him From TB to DAF but Lazenby was okay but at times he was really woodern in his performance
    -Finally (and this is deals with the book series) I think DAF is one of Fleming's strongest entries into the series while OHMSS is actually poorly plotted and one of the weaker ones

    Wow, let the flaming begin!

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    Why in the hell do we all keep injecting our thoughts into @Aziz_Fekkesh's post?
  • perhaps controversial, i think CR and QoS are good movies and was a welcome change after Brosnans last three movies. though the more i think about it and maybe why SF Really has not grabbed me, is because i think i have become bored with DC Version of bond or at least what's been done with his version of bond.

    It would not bother me if bond 24 was his last bond movie. Of course the producers will try to hang on to DC as long as possible if a suitable bond number 7 does not emerge.
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