Controversial opinions about Bond films

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  • Posts: 5,634
    This is getting a bit messy now but keeping it short,

    If DaltonCraig dislikes Craig so much why does he have him as part of a username, which includes Dalton but has Moore as a personal favorite ?

    Quite how Quantum of Solace manages to be a better Bond release than Casino Royale I can't quite understand either

    Diamonds are Forever as one of the best Bond films?, I'd hate to see a lousy one then..

    Charles Gray as Blofeld as best Bond adversary?, this is keeping me amused

    License to Kill was intentionally darker and I didn't find much to laugh at unless people have a strange sense of humor

    Someone even went as far to say they enjoyed the Madonna music from Die Another Day


    I guess there's a plethora of debates and opinions here and variety and each to their own and all but some of the things mentioned tonight have been (unintentionally) amusing. That's a good thing I guess, if we all felt the same way about the series there wouldn't be much to talk about. No harm done

  • Posts: 1,497
    Kerim wrote:
    LTK is actually one of the funnier movies of the franchise.

    It sure gets a chuckle out of me. Both Sanchez and Dario are hilarious. "Did he fly away like a little bird?" or the way Dario says "He's an informer!" =))
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    I guess there's a plethora of debates and opinions here and variety and each to their own and all but some of the things mentioned tonight have been (unintentionally) amusing. That's a good thing I guess, if we all felt the same way about the series there wouldn't be much to talk about. No harm done

    "Are you not entertained?!"

    This is a good thread in fact. I think (or I hope at least) people are letting their true feelings air out, instead feeling outnumbered by the popular opinion...

    Here's one:

    NicNac was one of the more memorable and entertaining henchmen of the series

    Let's keep it going. Gimme some controversy!
  • MurdockMurdock Mr. 2000
    Posts: 16,116
    Dr. No is Boring and overrated
    Goldfinger is a lame villain
    Thunderball and YOLT are Connery's best bond films
    George Lazenby wasn't very convincing as a British agent. His accent sounded more American.
    Moonraker was actually pretty good.
    The rewatch value on all of Moore's films are high. (TMWTGG included ;) )
    Licence to Kill is boring and is too gory for a Bond Film (too Miami Vicey)
    Brosnan's Films are all great. (Brosnan is the definitive bond.)
    Craig is an awesome Bond, CR and Qos are two of the best in the series.
    I'm Murdock and that's my two cents on the matter.
  • WillardWhyteWillardWhyte The Dark Alleyways is Where They're Gonna Find Us
    Posts: 781
    Roger Moore is a decent comedy actor.

    Diamonds Are Forever is a really great film.

  • Posts: 5,634
    But all this is, is a mixture of everything said on a day to day basis, give or take

    It's merely found it's way into a seperate thread - something we talk about week in week out in seperate locations and designated areas

    In any event, I'll compromise-


    Nick Nack for me was nothing special, in fact I'll even go as far to say he wasn't really needed for Moore's second outing or any Bond release come to think of it, It's a character I wouldn't have missed if it had been omitted

    Just for more controversy purposes I'll reiterate in saying -


    Honor Blackman, dull and uninspiring mundane Bond girl

    Goldfinger is a narcoleptics paradise

    Shirley Bassey - poor musician

    Lulu actually did a fine job with the theme music in 1974

    Michael Lonsdale one of the better Bond adversaries

    License To Kill should of been called 'License to see sharks, nice shots of the Florida Keys and an experience and overall viewing sensation quite detached from the actual James Bond franchise'

    The final half hour of A View to a Kill should of been sent to a bottomless pit and started from scratch

    Paul McCartney and Wings did give us the best theme intro

    Lois Chiles could well be one of the worst Bond ladies of the series

    Why did they need to fit in if Bond 'wanted a cucumber sandwich' from that release, what was the point of that anyway



    I probably have another 1,450 of these bones of contention regarding the series but you get the idea. This could well become a long thread one would imagine








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    There's another one for my list:

    - I think Lonsdale was horribly miscast as Drax and is one of the most boring villains in the series.
  • MurdockMurdock Mr. 2000
    Posts: 16,116
    You could tell that Stromburg and Drax were written as Blofeld more or less.
  • Posts: 5,634
    Agent005 wrote:
    There's another one for my list:

    - I think Lonsdale was horribly miscast as Drax and is one of the most boring villains in the series.

    EXPEL HIM !
  • Posts: 562
    I just think Moonraker would have benefitted greatly by having the character of Drax more like he was in the novel. The boisterous, grating, hot-tempered Drax would have played much better opposite Moore's smooth, charming, even-tempered Bond.
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    Lonsdale's Hugo Drax gave us some of the best lines of all James Bond villains from day one, at least in movie form

    Yes I can appreciate some may find him dull or lifeless, but still some great lines
  • Posts: 401
    Lonsdale's Hugo Drax gave us some of the best lines of all James Bond villains from day one, at least in movie form

    Yes I can appreciate some may find him dull or lifeless, but still some great lines
    Is that why I can't remember any of his lines? To say Charles Grey's Blofeld was worse than Michael Lonsdale's Hugo Drax is just foolish.

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    Maybe you haven't seen Moonraker for a while..

    Did Lonsdale dress up in drag and make an ass of himself though.. Leader of SPECTRE my butt
  • w2bondw2bond is indeed a very rare breed
    Posts: 2,239
    Anyone could've played Drax or Stromberg. At least Drax had some good lines
  • echoecho 007 in New York
    edited March 2012 Posts: 4,605
    Dr_Metz wrote:
    Sandy wrote:
    What does one thing have to do with the other? I'm both a Dalton AND a Craig fan yet I find Dalton's acting annoying in a lot of LTK scenes!
    Because for someone to think Daniel Craig's Bond is an improvement over Dalton's Bond is just simply wrong. Also, what did you find annoying about Dalton's performance in License to Kill?

    His entire scene in the casino. His forced humor with Q--out of place with Dalton's Bond (this is also an issue in TLD). On the other hand, Dalton plays exasperation really well in practically every scene with Kara.

    Another controversial opinion: I think Christopher Lee is terrible and forgettable in TMWTGG. Bond has a duel with...his grandfather?
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    1. AVTAK is great, yes.



    3. QOS is not in my top 10 but is surely better than CR in my opinion. And TMWTGG is my favorite movie.

    I like QOS but I wouldn't say it's better than CR IMO, however I also think that TMWTGG is the best bond movie
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
    edited March 2012 Posts: 15,534
    Volante wrote:
    CR is an appallingly bad Bond film, and a pathetic film alltogether.

    Craig is a horrible Bond. No words can describe how much his Bond is just wrong and bad.

    I love Brosnan as Bond.

    I love DAD, MR, YOLT, TMWTGG, DAF.

    Not sure if serious... You trolling? I know this is a thread for controversial views but wow.

    Funny how people always believe someone is 'trolling' when they don't agree with his opinions. Has it crossed your mind at all that it is possible for someone to hate CR and Craig ? Or does that never happen in your perfect Craig kingdom ?
  • edited March 2012 Posts: 6,601
    I always have the feeling, that the world of Dalton/Craig (he still hasn't explained the irritating user name - wonder why that is) and my beloved Dr. Metz shows more of over the top fandome then I ever could provide. Most of their posts sound like mindless bashing just because Craig is in it - even the worst film has some good moments, still - they are not even willing to give one of the highest ranking films for most - CR - one thumb up. THIS is, what makes them rather ****

    My dislike for Dalton startet way back, when the movi came out first and has therefore NOTHING to do with DC.

    I often stated, that I very much like Sir Roger and his films - so I am by no means just a DC lover.
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
    edited March 2012 Posts: 15,534
    Germanlady wrote:
    they are not even willing to give one of the highest ranking films for most - CR - one thumb up.

    Eh ? Yes I have... I've said many times that I quite liked some aspect of the the card game in CR.
    Germanlady wrote:
    THIS is, what makes them rather ****

    I could also say all the Craig fans are also complete idiots and have shit opinions. Why do the Craig fanboys always insist on insulting and mocking everyone who doesn't agree with their love of Craig ? Why is it that bashing and nearly insulting Brosnan for being a 'crap Bond' is almost constant on this site, and no one complains about it, but if someone happens to make one single post that bashes Craig, suddenly you are the new #1 public enemy ?

    I must say the most horrible group of Bond fans are the Brosnan bashers and the Craig lovers, because if you happen to disagree with their opinions on these 2 actors, they start insulting you. You can love and bash Connery, Lazenby, Moore and Dalton all you want... but if you are a Brosnan fan and you can't stand Craig, you are treated as a complete moron by the Craig lovers and Brosnan bashers.

    All opinions are allowed on this site... all but 2 : loving Brosnan and hating Craig. I would like an explanation why these 2 opinions aren't allowed on this site, and why you are treated like shit if you agree with these 2 opinions.

    Debating about Craig and Brosnan is impossible on this site. Whenever you talk about Brosnan, inevitably a member will post that Brosnan was a shit Bond... And whenever you talk about Craig and someone posts a negative opinion on him, he is insulted and ridiculed by the Craig fanboy army.
  • edited March 2012 Posts: 6,601
    Germanlady wrote:
    they are not even willing to give one of the highest ranking films for most - CR - one thumb up.

    Eh ? Yes I have... I've said many times that I quite liked some aspect of the the card game in CR.
    Germanlady wrote:
    THIS is, what makes them rather ****

    I could also say all the Craig fans are also complete idiots and have shit opinions. Why do the Craig fanboys always insist on insulting and mocking everyone who doesn't agree with their love of Craig ? Why is it that bashing and nearly insulting Brosnan for being a 'crap Bond' is almost constant on this site, and no one complains about it, but if someone happens to make one single post that bashes Craig, suddenly you are the new #1 public enemy ?

    I must say the most horrible group of Bond fans are the Brosnan bashers and the Craig lovers, because if you happen to disagree with their opinions on these 2 actors, they start insulting you.

    Well - you just wrote this:
    CR is an appallingly bad Bond film, and a pathetic film alltogether.
    Guess saying this about the 2nd highest grossing film sounds a bit weird. Don't you think?
    All opinions are allowed on this site... all but 2 : loving Brosnan and hating Craig. I would like an explanation why these 2 opinions aren't allowed on this site, and why you are treated like shit if you agree with these 2 opinions.

    Debating about Craig and Brosnan is impossible on this site. Whenever you talk about Brosnan, inevitably a member will post that Brosnan was a shit Bond... And whenever you talk about Craig and someone posts a negative opinion on him, he is insulted and ridiculed by the Craig fanboy army.

    I suppose, that bashing Craig is a bit irritating for many, because most can see at least SOME good in his portrayal. Maybe that's why trashing posts are answered to in this way.
    DAD is considered one if the if not THE worst Bond film, still you have it on your favourite list. Don't you agree, that this sounds a bit like just going for controverse? You shouldn't be surprised, if people question your beliefs. Its only natural, I think. Don't you?

    And you still haven't answered, what comes up again and again and not only by me - why this user name? Its like I call myself Russian Lady. Doesn't make sense.

    Also stop whining - we all take s*** at times (just read what the good Dr. Metz calls me) - so what? Do I care? No, why would I? I don't know the guy and don't care to. Its really nothing to complain about. I know, I gonna get a s*** answer on this. Such is life
    ;)
  • edited March 2012 Posts: 401
    Did Lonsdale dress up in drag and make an ass of himself though.. Leader of SPECTRE my butt
    The drag thing never bothered me, it was short, and added to the weirdness of Blofeld. And it's not like leaders of organizations haven't been known to dress up in drag. J. Edgar Hoover would have probably loved the scene.
    Germanlady wrote:
    Most of their posts sound like mindless bashing just because Craig is in it
    If you actually cared to read my posts, I said Craig would probably be good if he got a decent Bond script.
    Germanlady wrote:
    Guess saying this about the 2nd highest grossing film sounds a bit weird. Don't you think?
    And judging how good a film is based on how much money it made isn't weird? If we went by that, The Phantom Menace would be one of the best Star Wars films.
    Germanlady wrote:
    I often stated, that I very much like Sir Roger and his films - so I am by no means just a DC lover.
    Your taste in Bonds seems a bit crap, honestly. Moore's alright, but there's three other Bonds I like more than him.
    Germanlady wrote:
    Dr. Metz shows more of over the top fandome then I ever could provide.
    I don't even get what you mean by this. Are you saying it's bad I enjoy the more fantastical elements of Bond? Because, if you are, I hate to break it to you, all Bond films are pretty unrealistic.
    Germanlady wrote:
    My dislike for Dalton startet way back, when the movi came out first and has therefore NOTHING to do with DC.
    Anything Craig did or can do, Dalton can do better.
    Germanlady wrote:
    they are not even willing to give one of the highest ranking films for most - CR - one thumb up. THIS is, what makes them rather ****
    You know, I just explained why I didn't like that film.
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
    edited March 2012 Posts: 15,534
    Germanlady wrote:
    Guess saying this about the 2nd highest grossing film sounds a bit weird. Don't you think?

    So you judge movie quality by box office success ? How ridiculous is that ? =))
    Germanlady wrote:
    DAD is considered one if the if not THE worst Bond film, still you have it on your favourite list. Don't you agree, that this sounds a bit like just going for controverse?

    I have never read such a ridiculous claim. Are people not allowed to hate Taxi Driver, or love Transfomers, or love Armageddon or hate Schindler's List ? If you are saying that everyone should love the same films and hate the same films, and disagreeing with them is 'going from controverse', then you are a complete joke.

    I see the tyrrant GermanLady wants to impose her dictatorship on this forum. 'No !!' loving DAD is not allowed ! No !! hating CR is not allowed !'

    I see that the Fuhrer GermanLady wants movie tastes be dictated by box office success and by the amount of universal love/hate each movie has. If said movie is loved by most, than EVERYONE should follow this love, even if they don't agree with it, and if said movie is hated by most, EVERYONE should follow this hatred, even if they don't agree with it.

    So why don't the MI6 self-proclaimed President germanlady please tell us which movies cannot be loved and which movies cannot be hated ? Why don't you also make a list of non-Bond films that should always be worshipped and those that should always be detested ?
  • edited March 2012 Posts: 6,601
    Well, my dears - suppose BO is made by how many people go see a film. For your understanding - big BO means, many people like a film - bad BO means, only few people like a film. Quality is what people say it is - they pay, they make the rules.
    So - if you are able to make a film, that pleases the audience, this is quality in itsself.
    BTW - maybe remember the 9 Bafta nods CR got, including Best Actor. This seems to indicate some quality, don't you think?

    There are quality Indie films, few people see, but often those are not made for the bigger audience - hence they have a low budget to begin with and don't depend on massive BO to be counted successful.
    If you make a film for the big market for $$$, that stays behind expectations, your quality doesn't mean a thing, as obviously something is missing, which again takes away from the quality factor. If a film has the quality to please the audiences and makes them queue at the theater, it has succeeded to provide, what the people want at that time. And - in the end - this is what films are made for and where their quality is based on.
    There are so called quality films, that no one wants to see - so for me, the quality in this film went the wrong way. Really very easy to understand...

    Suppose I meet your taste in saying, that some here or many find LTK a quality Bond film. A film, that was made in the hope, that the masses would love the new actor and the new take on it. It didn't work out that way. So - to me - this film has proved, that a film, that doesn't do, what its supposed to, can hardly be called a quality film. It lost out on the most important factor...
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
    Posts: 15,534
    Germanlady wrote:
    Well, my dears - suppose BO is made by how many people go see a film. For your understanding - big BO means, many people like a film - bad BO means, only few people like a film. Quality is what people say it is - they pay, they make the rules.

    Transfomers 3 is the top grossing film of 2011, yet only a score of 6.4 on IMDB.

  • edited March 2012 Posts: 6,601
    Germanlady wrote:
    Well, my dears - suppose BO is made by how many people go see a film. For your understanding - big BO means, many people like a film - bad BO means, only few people like a film. Quality is what people say it is - they pay, they make the rules.

    Transfomers 3 is the top grossing film of 2011, yet only a score of 6.4 on IMDB.

    See above. I offered some more thoughts about the topic.
    I can only repeat myself here - films that are made for the big bucks and deliver tell me, the quality was right for what it wanted to be and met the approval of the fans - often not that of the critics, of course.

    I think, I remember the last Pirate film had terrible ratings but another very strong showing. People loved it for what it is and hence, the entertainment quality was just right.
    I hated them btw...couldn't make it through the second and completely lost interest. But that is just me. Millions loved it and I have NO ideas why.
  • edited March 2012 Posts: 6,601
    Everything has been said, on BOTH sides and for the sake of the forum, I will stop here. I have nothing new to add.

    But @ Dalton/Craig, your bringing in the nazi is really out of place - just saying. With this, you certainly deconstructed yourself and gave a poor performance of how far you would go in your rage.

    Just this @ Dr. Metz - IF Dalton was or could do everything better then DC, he would have made a more successful entree. Obviously the majority didn't think that way. And sorry to bring THIS to you - Bond films are made to be succeessful and the main actor needs to appeal to the masses. It could have gone all wrong with DC, too - difference - it didn't.
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
    edited March 2012 Posts: 15,534
    Germanlady wrote:
    I think, I remember the last Pirate film had terrible ratings but another very strong showing. People loved it for what it is and hence, the entertainment quality was just right.
    I hated them btw...couldn't make it through the second and completely lost interest. But that is just me. Millions loved it and I have NO ideas why.

    Why can YOU hate the Pirates films and I can't hate CR ? Why can you hate world wide hits like the Pirates films, while I'm not allowed to hate CR ?

    I see you are continuing the installation of your own tyranny on this site. You can do anything you want, but if someone else does he is wrong.

    I see that MI6Community has turned into the Craig fanboys kindgom and the Brosnan-bashing land... No one can voice their arguments if they don't follow the views of the self-proclaimed new leaders of this site.
  • Posts: 1,817
    I don't know if this'll be controversial or not, but there it is:
    I don't care any of your opinions! I have my personal ranking of the 22 movies (FRWL at the top, DAD at the bottom); I don't count the unofficals, they don't exist for me.
    I love the Fleming books and I don't read any other Bond novel that ain't by Fleming.
    And as I'm not Michael Wilson nor Martin Campbell nor any other director or producer, nor I'm envolve in the production of any other Bond film, I don't want to change other people's thoughts about the movies!
    I simply don't care...
  • KerimKerim Istanbul Not Constantinople
    Posts: 2,629
    Well sir, you better care!

    Actually, I agree with you. Everyone has their likes and dislikes and should be entitled to their own opinions. It's when things get out of hand is when the problems arise.

  • Agent007391Agent007391 Up, Up, Down, Down, Left, Right, Left, Right, B, A, Start
    Posts: 7,854
    Someone even went as far to say they enjoyed the Madonna music from Die Another Day

    At least "Die Another Day" is better than Shirley "Can't-Really-F***ing-Sing" Bassey.
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