Controversial opinions about Bond films

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  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    I love Dalton in LTK, and find him superior in comparison to TLD where he doesn't feel as dangerous. When he threatens Lupe with that knife, snaps and unleashes himself on Pam and strategically goes to town on Sanchez's forces, he scares the hell out of me. That's a very rare thing for a Bond actor to do for me.

    LTK is just a refreshing film period. The main criticism it gets is that it isn't traditional enough, but why oh why does every Bond film have to play by the same old formula? It's a real hamper on any actual innovation to make every Bond film play by the same kinds of rules. For every Bond with souped-up glamor, exoticism and "style," you also need some in between that let loose and tell more human and bare-bones stories. Movies like LTK and QoS get all my respect for telling the stories they do, and for once deciding not to be a slave to what has been done in every other movie before. These films then get called anti-Bond, which I find hilarious. LTK has some amazing content in it, and Dalton's performance (as well as his work in TLD to a lesser extent) is the first truly impressive one since Sean's Thunderball.
  • suavejmfsuavejmf Harrogate, North Yorkshire, England
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    bondjames wrote: »
    BAIN123 wrote: »
    suavejmf wrote: »
    I thought Dalton was at his best during the Wave Krest 'Who whipped you' scenes and the following escape.

    I do like "make a sound...and you're dead".
    "You'd better find yourself a new lover."

    A brilliant delivery, only ruined by the response from the useless actress (??) in the scene with him.

    All great lines.

    "Compliments of Sharkey".

    My controversial opinion is that Lupe is my favorite Bond girl. She is stunning to look at, sexy and her acting is fine.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    As much as I love LTK, Lupe is a headache at times. She'd be tolerable if they cut out the stupid, "I love James...so much" garbage, which is one of the most contrived relationships in all of Bond. The only overtly weak thing about that film is the unnecessary sophomoric love triangle Pam and Lupe have going, like they're schoolgirls who fancy Bond and are fighting to slip a love letter into his book bag during class.
  • edited March 2017 Posts: 11,189
    This performance from Del Toro in Sicario makes Dalton's vengeful Bond in LTK look utterly tame in comparison.



    The problem I have with Dalton is that you can sometimes sense him putting effort into his performance as opposed to it coming naturally (i.e. the scene when he finds Della).
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    suavejmf wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    BAIN123 wrote: »
    suavejmf wrote: »
    I thought Dalton was at his best during the Wave Krest 'Who whipped you' scenes and the following escape.

    I do like "make a sound...and you're dead".
    "You'd better find yourself a new lover."

    A brilliant delivery, only ruined by the response from the useless actress (??) in the scene with him.

    All great lines.

    "Compliments of Sharkey".

    My controversial opinion is that Lupe is my favorite Bond girl. She is stunning to look at, sexy and her acting is fine.
    I can appreciate the physical attraction. She is certainly a looker, even today. Benjamin Bratt did good.
  • edited March 2017 Posts: 11,189
    she is rather bad sometimes though. I always cringe when Bond comes into her room and she says "James don't go...I'm scared, what's going to happen to us?"

    I think this is her at the start of this classic clip:


    (I'm swear the "mother" could be Grace Jones :))
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    I love Dalton in LTK, and find him superior in comparison to TLD where he doesn't feel as dangerous. When he threatens Lupe with that knife, snaps and unleashes himself on Pam and strategically goes to town on Sanchez's forces, he scares the hell out of me. That's a very rare thing for a Bond actor to do for me.

    LTK is just a refreshing film period. The main criticism it gets is that it isn't traditional enough, but why oh why does every Bond film have to play by the same old formula? It's a real hamper on any actual innovation to make every Bond film play by the same kinds of rules. For every Bond with souped-up glamor, exoticism and "style," you also need some in between that let loose and tell more human and bare-bones stories. Movies like LTK and QoS get all my respect for telling the stories they do, and for once deciding not to be a slave to what has been done in every other movie before. These films then get called anti-Bond, which I find hilarious. LTK has some amazing content in it, and Dalton's performance (as well as his work in TLD to a lesser extent) is the first truly impressive one since Sean's Thunderball.

    Hmm. Well, I think that if they are going to stray from the formula they have to be relatively confident with the material they have, and I think many here feel that LTK doesn't tell a story well enough to justify abandoning the formula over.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    BAIN123 wrote: »
    she is rather bad sometimes though. I always cringe when Bond comes into her room and she says "James don't go...I'm scared, what's going to happen to us?"

    I think this is her at the start of this classic clip:


    (I'm swear the "mother" could be Grace Jones :))
    Horrid! Another instance where the mute function is a godsend. If only they'd had those text bubbles for when Talisa speaks in LTK I wouldn't have had to listen to her and could just admire her winning features.
  • edited March 2017 Posts: 11,189
    I think the problem is that both the set-up and the resolution aren't all that convincing. There's not really much to the character of Della other than being a slightly ditzy sacrificial lamb. We don't know a lot about her and I don't think she's portrayed well enough to make us really like her and feel her loss. To be fair, I do like when she's "shushed" by the thug but that's a brief moment.

    Also, during the final scene Bond seemingly manages to get his job back in a cutesy "end on a happy note" manner.

  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    BAIN123 wrote: »
    I think the problem is that both the set-up and the resolution aren't all that convincing. There's not really much to the character of Della other than being a slightly ditzy sacrificial lamb. We don't know a lot about her and I don't think she's portrayed well enough to make us really like her and feel her loss. To be fair, I do like when she's "shushed" by the thug but that's a brief moment.

    Also, during the final scene Bond seemingly manages to get his job back in a cutesy "end on a happy note" manner.
    If it weren't for Dalton and Davi selling the drama so well, I really wouldn't find anything convincing. The story is told in a very clumsy, contrived way.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    I love Dalton in LTK, and find him superior in comparison to TLD where he doesn't feel as dangerous. When he threatens Lupe with that knife, snaps and unleashes himself on Pam and strategically goes to town on Sanchez's forces, he scares the hell out of me. That's a very rare thing for a Bond actor to do for me.

    LTK is just a refreshing film period. The main criticism it gets is that it isn't traditional enough, but why oh why does every Bond film have to play by the same old formula? It's a real hamper on any actual innovation to make every Bond film play by the same kinds of rules. For every Bond with souped-up glamor, exoticism and "style," you also need some in between that let loose and tell more human and bare-bones stories. Movies like LTK and QoS get all my respect for telling the stories they do, and for once deciding not to be a slave to what has been done in every other movie before. These films then get called anti-Bond, which I find hilarious. LTK has some amazing content in it, and Dalton's performance (as well as his work in TLD to a lesser extent) is the first truly impressive one since Sean's Thunderball.

    Hmm. Well, I think that if they are going to stray from the formula they have to be relatively confident with the material they have, and I think many here feel that LTK doesn't tell a story well enough to justify abandoning the formula over.

    Some may feel that way, but in the late 1980s Dalton's movies came off of a 12 year span where average stories were being told with the formula, so changing it without so much of the formula was worth it for me. The issues I have with TLD and LTK can all be traced back to the unwillingness on EON's part to give Dalton a script that 100% played to him. They let him have a slice of his Fleming cake here and there, but they also forced him to play from Moore's abridged playbook in truly horrendous moments too, and that's a shame. Dalton knew what he wanted, everyone else didn't, and that's the big issue with those films. If the effect of the Moore era wasn't enough, it also had to cancerously linger on past even AVTAK and infect Dalton's movies. Thankfully his acting and the overall grounded sense he gives to things help to diffuse the bad hangovers of the previous era whose presence is probably partly down to Glen, as he likely still had Moore on the mind and wasn't able to engage with Dalton in the way he needed to.
  • As much as I love LTK, Lupe is a headache at times. She'd be tolerable if they cut out the stupid, "I love James...so much" garbage, which is one of the most contrived relationships in all of Bond. The only overtly weak thing about that film is the unnecessary sophomoric love triangle Pam and Lupe have going, like they're schoolgirls who fancy Bond and are fighting to slip a love letter into his book bag during class.

    Beautiful to look at, but some of her line deliveries are really bad.

    I'd say that in terms of women, the 1960's featured some really beautiful, voluptuous women, then it was the skinny 70's and 80's. The women of Casino Royale brought back what I had not seen since Diamonds are Forever.
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    barryt007 wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    LTK is ridden with generic 80s clichés which I think hurts it. My controversial opinion.

    Well it was made in the '80s ?

    So was OP and TLD they are both more Bondian.
  • OP its much of a parody for me to consider it Bondian. I think the humor in that film is directed at not taking the entire premise seriously. TLD, yes, much more Bond, in my opininion.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    As much as I love LTK, Lupe is a headache at times. She'd be tolerable if they cut out the stupid, "I love James...so much" garbage, which is one of the most contrived relationships in all of Bond. The only overtly weak thing about that film is the unnecessary sophomoric love triangle Pam and Lupe have going, like they're schoolgirls who fancy Bond and are fighting to slip a love letter into his book bag during class.

    Beautiful to look at, but some of her line deliveries are really bad.

    I'd say that in terms of women, the 1960's featured some really beautiful, voluptuous women, then it was the skinny 70's and 80's. The women of Casino Royale brought back what I had not seen since Diamonds are Forever.

    @TellyBlofeld, agreed. The 60s women were true women of all sorts, with some built up like goddesses landed on earth (Honey), real and raw women (Tatiana, Domino, Tracy), an independent spirit (Pussy and Aki somewhat) and just flat out sex kittens (Plenty). A very nice range, but all of them had an iconic beauty while still being unique.

    The 70s are a bit of a dead period for any kind of Bond glamour in the suits or women, save for Seymour and Bach, while only TLD's more "cute" Kara and LTK's ladies added nice things to look at, but no 60s level babes. The 90s had Natalya, who I think is one of the sexiest Bond girls ever, but the rest of the women have a very artificial feeling about them, beautiful women who were hired because of their looks while lacking the talent to make their characters stand out.

    I agree that the Craig era has been a return to 60s styled Bond women, where the actresses have done what the original gals did and balanced their incredible looks with actual talent. While a good number of the 60s women were models or pageant winners with varying acting experience, their performances truly were impressive and are iconic for a reason; you'd never think they hadn't had experience in acting before. Andress beautifully played up Honey's oblivious nature to the dark acts she committed, Bianchi displayed Tatiana's inner battle and tug of the heart between Bond and Klebb with real depth, Blackman made Pussy a feminist icon by imbuing the character with a very strong nature and hands-off disposition, Auger shows the cracks in Domino's innocence and peels back the layers enough to reveal her inner pain, and Rigg hits about every level you could ever ask a Bond girl to.

    It's clear that a return to the 60s spirit has been a game plan of the Craig films, in more ways than one. In addition to recalling a vintage style of fashion in suits and more vintage spaces, dialogues and spirits, it's also clear that most of the main Bond girls were chosen because they were talented and beautiful modern women who could recall the feeling of the 60s Bond girls. Women like Eva Green, Caterina Murino, Gemma Arterton, Bérénice Marlohe and Léa Seydoux all scream vintage style and beauty, down to their curves, hair styles and fashions. It's been a real treat to see this revival, where the leading women can both act alongside the leading man and knock your socks off with their gazes in a way we haven't seen for decades.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    I don't know about you chaps, but I love all the 70's/80's babes, and find Solitaire, Goodnight, Andrea, XXX, Naomi & Melina plenty voluptious and sexy. As good as the best of them.

    Even Stacey, Pam & Lupe have the goods, if not the acting skills.

    It's only Goodhead, Corinne & Kara who are a bit lacking in the curvature dept, relatively speaking.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    @bondjames, some of those are beautiful, but when they speak it's like a grating noise, which takes away from them for me. I think Goodnight is one of the least beautiful Bond girls ever, if not the least of the series, and the annoying performance of Ekland doesn't help. Her name is fitting, as all I want to say to her is, "GOODNIGHT!" in the hopes she disappears.

    The 70s/80s women were okay, but nothing in character really backed up their looks to add power. The 60s women truly felt believable while being babes on top of it, and that's why I think they're the ultimate hetero-male fantasies come to life. They were more than just pretty faces, they also had personalities that made them unique and allowed them to feel very real. I don't feel any of that with the women of the Moore era outside Solitaire, Melina and maybe Octopussy, but I'm being generous. I think Kara is a nice return to a beautiful woman with a personality (though I know she annoys some), whereas Pam and Lupe, while beautiful, do suffer from the annoying love-triangle they put Bond through and at times make it hard to like them. I much prefer Pam, though, if pressed.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    I can see where you're coming from @0BradyM0Bondfanatic7, and I agree that Goodnight is an airhead. That's her character though, and she plays it well, while not being as annoying to me as Rosie or Bibi. As I've said elsewhere before, I find her infatuation and loyalty to Bond despite his mistreatment of her quite endearing, although I'm quite certain it would annoy the feminists here, because it's a bit old school. Perhaps not facially the most attractive (in the eye of the beholder of course), she has other assets (as it were), which were thankfully (from this viewer's perspective at least) on display.

    I also think that Anya and Goodhead were way ahead of their time as Bond equals of sorts, and still find them far more credible than any of these 'macho' types who've come since, including Kung Fu girl Wai Lin. Perhaps it was Moore's unthreatening approach, but I really felt that they were his equal (without him looking like a wuss), and that made their roles more credible. Again, as I've said somewhere before, they seem like women of today, who don't expect any favours from men and do things their way. Given that these films were made in the 70's, it's quite impressive. Far more adventurous and contemporary than whiners like Pam or uncredible jokers like Christmas and Jinx.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    @bondjames, I partly agree on Anya and Goodhead. Goodhead is probably the most real and raw Bond girl of Moore's time, but I think that TSWLM missed a trick by having XXX simply forgive Bond. I'd have loved to see the script get flipped between Bond and Anya where she went after him for what he did to her lover, and they actually had a conflict that went physical. How he just gets forgiven is strange to me, and a big plot convenience. But it is always cool to see Bond working with a deadly rival agent that shares his skills, which can be very refreshing and interesting when done well.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    I agree that they should have taken the XXX scenario further @0BradyM0Bondfanatic7, although I can fully understand the forgiveness part too. Moore kills that scene when he's sweating it after the champagne cork pops. I think any woman would forgive the guy then. Only Moore could pull that off imho. The lovable Bond.
  • Major_BoothroydMajor_Boothroyd Republic of Isthmus
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    I think it's clear Tom Mankiewicz has disdain for women in the Bond world. Diamonds are forever, Live and let die and man with the golden gun contain women who are either stupid, naive, abused and almost all of them are incompetent - Tiffany case seems to devolve before our eyes over the course of a film. Rosie and Goodnight are the representatives of female secret agents in his world - so make of that what you will. All of them are sexually available and in goodnight's case perfectly self-described as 'weak' I actually think that Bond women of the 60s were often a marginal step forward for the early sixties. But when feminism began to change the fabric of society in the early seventies the Bond films took a step backward.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    I think it's clear Tom Mankiewicz has disdain for women in the Bond world. Diamonds are forever, Live and let die and man with the golden gun contain women who are either stupid, naive, abused and almost all of them are incompetent
    I get your point, but the same could perhaps apply to SF (the most successful film of the recent past) in some ways. That film meets all these attributes and then some (double crosser in the case of M).
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    Mankiewicz had a lot of weird writing ticks for Bond that made his scripts very strange to me. His biggest sin is that in his scripts, everyone everywhere seemed to know who Bond was and that he was a spy. The idea of a secret agent died in the films he worked on.

    I wouldn't say SF is a continuation of Mankiewicz's use of stupid or naive female characters. Most of M's problems are created for her by others, like Moneypenny just being horrible at field work and Silva asking to be served up for jeopardizing his own age. M simply acts in the way she sees fit at the time, in tough situations. She ordered Moneypenny to fire because she didn't want to risk the drive getting away, as it was better lost as an alternative if Bond couldn't secure it. When it comes to Silva, he proved that he was unable to play by the rules and act according to orders, and so it was worth it to swap him for six agents who wouldn't act so thick and arrogant. I can't disagree with any of M's decisions, as I see why she made them. They're tough calls, but that's the business she is in; there's no such thing as an easy decision.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    @0BradyM0Bondfanatic7, to be clear, I was referring to her betrayal of Silva as a double cross. He had a legitimate beef (even though he should have known the score when he signed up for the task and the job) and that gave the film its heft. He, more than she, was a tragic betrayed character and Bardem sold it.
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  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    bondjames wrote: »
    @0BradyM0Bondfanatic7, to be clear, I was referring to her betrayal of Silva as a double cross. He had a legitimate beef (even though he should have known the score when he signed up for the task and the job) and that gave the film its heft. He, more than she, was a tragic betrayed character and Bardem sold it.

    Interesting perspective. I just never connect any sympathy to Silva, and can't wait for him to die, so he doesn't feel like a tragic figure. He screwed up, he paid, M did her job. Bond understood her decision and gave her a look that said, "You did what you had to do," and I agree with the both of them. Silva's cyanide capsule failing isn't going to make me get all empathetic, and I'd actually be interested to know if Mendes and co. were really going out of their way to make audiences feel sorry for Silva.
  • Major_BoothroydMajor_Boothroyd Republic of Isthmus
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    bondjames wrote: »
    I think it's clear Tom Mankiewicz has disdain for women in the Bond world. Diamonds are forever, Live and let die and man with the golden gun contain women who are either stupid, naive, abused and almost all of them are incompetent
    I get your point, but the same could perhaps apply to SF (the most successful film of the recent past) in some ways. That film meets all these attributes and then some (double crosser in the case of M).

    I wouldn't say that in M and Moneypenny's case. I think they were taking calculated risks. Some of which didn't come out in their favour. As for Moneypenny she also saved bond's life in the machau casino and came to M's aid in the courtroom scene - two examples of excelling at her job. But also Mankiewicz uses Rosie and Goodnight's ineptitude and complete lack of strength of character for laughs. They are exclusively inept agents and used ostensibly as subjects of derision.

  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    bondjames wrote: »
    I think it's clear Tom Mankiewicz has disdain for women in the Bond world. Diamonds are forever, Live and let die and man with the golden gun contain women who are either stupid, naive, abused and almost all of them are incompetent
    I get your point, but the same could perhaps apply to SF (the most successful film of the recent past) in some ways. That film meets all these attributes and then some (double crosser in the case of M).

    I wouldn't say that in M and Moneypenny's case. I think they were taking calculated risks. Some of which didn't come out in their favour. As for Moneypenny she also saved bond's life in the machau casino and came to M's aid in the courtroom scene - two examples of excelling at her job. But also Mankiewicz uses Rosie and Goodnight's ineptitude and complete lack of strength of character for laughs. They are exclusively inept agents and used ostensibly as subjects of derision.

    @Major_Boothroyd, the real victim of SF (and the Craig era as a whole, really) is Tanner. He's one of the most inept characters we've had that is written to be seen as foolish, uncoordinated and weak in direct comparison to everything Bond does. Sometimes I feel bad for old Tanner, but the moment he left M's side when she needed him in SF I had it with him. So much for loyalty, but at least Mallory was there to save her, even though they were practically strangers.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    bondjames wrote: »
    @0BradyM0Bondfanatic7, to be clear, I was referring to her betrayal of Silva as a double cross. He had a legitimate beef (even though he should have known the score when he signed up for the task and the job) and that gave the film its heft. He, more than she, was a tragic betrayed character and Bardem sold it.

    Interesting perspective. I just never connect any sympathy to Silva, and can't wait for him to die, so he doesn't feel like a tragic figure. He screwed up, he paid, M did her job. Bond understood her decision and gave her a look that said, "You did what you had to do," and I agree with the both of them. Silva's cyanide capsule failing isn't going to make me get all empathetic, and I'd actually be interested to know if Mendes and co. were really going out of their way to make audiences feel sorry for Silva.
    Sympathy for Silva is what makes SF such a strong narrative for me. I empathize with him due to her betrayal of him, and I feel for her because of my familiarity with her over numerous films. His final scene, where he can't get himself to kill her but rather wants her to kill them both solidifies the tragic nature of his plight. He's tormented & tortured, but covers it up with bravado. Similar in way to Bond, but on the dark side.
    Birdleson wrote: »
    I saw that look Bond gave M as wary and doubtful (just as her decision regarding Ronson ate at him). I did sympathize with Silva to an extent, not over the cyanide capsule though, that was a matter of equipment malfunctioning.
    That's exactly how I saw it. There was a certain acceptance, but I did not see approval. Craig sold that well for me at least - it was in his eyes. I too didn't feel anything about the cyanide capsule. That was incidental to the betrayal.
    bondjames wrote: »
    I think it's clear Tom Mankiewicz has disdain for women in the Bond world. Diamonds are forever, Live and let die and man with the golden gun contain women who are either stupid, naive, abused and almost all of them are incompetent
    I get your point, but the same could perhaps apply to SF (the most successful film of the recent past) in some ways. That film meets all these attributes and then some (double crosser in the case of M).

    I wouldn't say that in M and Moneypenny's case. I think they were taking calculated risks. Some of which didn't come out in their favour. As for Moneypenny she also saved bond's life in the machau casino and came to M's aid in the courtroom scene - two examples of excelling at her job. But also Mankiewicz uses Rosie and Goodnight's ineptitude and complete lack of strength of character for laughs. They are exclusively inept agents and used ostensibly as subjects of derision.
    In MP's case, Bond goes out of his way to embarrass her playfully to her face for her mistake (not only at MI6, but also in Istanbul when she hits the mirror). I think that was quite bold for the film makers, given he is a white man and she is a black woman, especially in today's PC climate. The implication is that she is best suited to a more female centric secretarial or administrative duties rather than the more meaty & manly stuff.

    In M's case, as I mentioned above, it is her double cross of Silva, in combination with her incompetence in losing the disc (a career ending move as per Mallory) and getting Bond shot that come to mind.

    Rosie was afraid of Samedi's powers which led to her nervousness, and she was clearly out of her depth. Goodnight had a good heart, but again was out of her league as a field agent.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    @bondjames, when I think of Silva all I see is a disgusting and unprincipled man who was so depraved that, instead of just killing M he killed dozens of innocents on top of it all to destroy her by proxy and prove a point. There was no way I was going to feel any positive feelings about him, or anything resembling sympathy. When Bond and M are talking in Skyfall and waiting for his attack, she beats herself up and he just says, "You did your job." That's all there is to it for me. M had a reason to do what she did, Silva was justified in none of his. I don't mean to play a moral game here, as there are grays, but the amount of damage and senseless violence and chaos Silva creates forfeits any sense of care I could ever have for his character. And people say I'm wrong to feel sympathy for Mr. White! Compared to Silva he's Saint Peter.

    As for the way Moneypenny was written, I see nothing wrong about her being presented as a woman who tries field work, doesn't take to it and decides to settle for the desk. I don't see it as an anti-woman statement, though I am shocked that in this outrage prone world Mendes wasn't beheaded by social justice warriors for it. I think even in 2012 things were better socially, however, whereas if that movie came out this year, there could be that kind of backlash. Utterly outrageous.

    People should be happy that the Bond series is indifferent to bullshit social mores of acceptance peddled by an uber-sensitive portion of the population who are oblivious to the fact that what they're really fighting for is censorship. Bond films do what they want, and are able to at times go counter-culture. While the rest of the world was painting Soviets as demonic, the Bond series showed open detente with the west and east. Today they are doing the same with gender based interactions, taking "risks" like the above to develop Moneypenny into the role she's always had without a worry of getting flamed reactions back. For my money, though, the Bond girls we've had since CR have also all had major depth, which is always a great thing to see. They feel like real women and are played beautifully by each and every actress. I don't want to hear lip from any feminists on this count.

    When it comes to M, I just don't see much that is her fault. Ronson and his whole crew really weren't prepared for attack, Moneypenny's bad aim isn't on her, Silva was an ass who didn't follow proper orders, etc. The only way M is fully responsible is if she had mind control powers and failed to make everyone act as she wanted. But only then. ;)
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