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  • MalloryMallory Rules Reastaurant
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    Kananga wrote: »
    My wish list for the next few releases -
    A View To A Kill - with the Duran Duran demos and the 12” extended mix.
    Goldeneye - full score with the John Altman rescore, bono and The Edge demos.
    You Only Live Twice - with the different versions of the title song.
    Casino Royale / Quantum - released back to back.

    The only thing with CR and QoS is that the original releases are very complete - I dont think there is a huge amount missing from either (probably 90-95%) - maybe they could release demo's or unused music etc for them but I'm not sure the value is really there.
  • SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ Lekki, Lagos, Nigeria
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    I'll add TSWLM & TLD to those. Also, I agree with @Mallory that CR & QoS are very complete. I can't think of any music, I've heard in both films, that's not on the releases.
  • Posts: 21
    Hello all,

    I don't think we ever created a thread specifically for the Live & Let Die release from a couple of years ago, so I'm posting this here. I've been assembling the cues list based on Lukas' notes from 2003 and have come up with this:
    LIVE AND LET DIE (1973)
    Composer: George Martin

    01 Gun Barrel (1M1)
    02 Just A Closer Walk With Thee/New Second Line (Film Version) (1M2)*
    03 Voodoo Ceremony (1M3)
    04 Live And Let Die (Main Title) (1M4)
    05 Sheer Magnetism (2M1) (Bond To New York)
    06 Bond To New York (2M2)
    07 Whisper Who Dares (2M3)
    08 Oh Cult Voodoo Shop (2M4)
    09 James Bond Theme (Film Version) (3M1)
    10 Fillet Of Soul - Harlem (3M2)
    11 Bond Meets Solitaire (Extended Version) (3M3)
    12 Strutter (3M4) (Bond Meets Solitaire)
    13 Baron Samedi's Dance Of Death (Film Version) (3M5)
    14 San Monique (3M6-4M1)
    15 Snakes Alive (Film Version) (4M2)
    16 Bond And Rosie (Unused) (4M3)
    17 Hat Sting (4M4) (Bond And Rosie)
    18 Meeting Quarrel Jr. (4M5) (Bond And Rosie)
    19 Fortune Telling (5M1)
    20 Rosie Flees (5M2)
    21 Bond Drops In (Film Version) (5M3)
    22 The Lovers (5M4)
    23 Half Cocked (6M1) (The Lovers)
    24 Baron Samedi’s Recorder (6M2) (The Lovers)
    25 If He Finds It, Kill Him (6M3)
    26 Low Bridge (6M4)
    27 New Orleans (7M1)
    28 Airport Escape (7M2) (New Orleans)
    29 Just A Closer Walk With Thee/New Second Line (Film Version) (1M2)*
    30 Fillet Of Soul – New Orleans/Live And Let Die
    31 Bond’s Watch (8M1)
    32 Solitaire Gets Her Cards (8M2)
    33 Trespassers Will Be Eaten (Extended Version) (9M1)
    34 Bond Evades The Crocs (9M2) (Trespassers Will Be Eaten)
    35 Boat Chase (Unused) (10M1)
    36 Boat Explosion (10M2) (Boat Chase)
    37 Felix Briefs Bond (Unused) (10M3) (Boat Chase)
    38 Pre Sacrifice Source* (1.06)
    39 Sacrifice (Film Version) (11M1)
    40 Baron Samedi Emerges (Underground Lair) (11M2)
    41 Sacrifice (repeat)
    42 Underground Lair (12M1)
    43 The Death Of Kananga (12M2) (Underground Lair)
    44 On The Train (Unused)
    45 Finale (12M3)
    46 Live And Let Die (End Title)

    BONUS
    47 Just a Closer Walk With Thee/New Second Line (Album Version)
    48 James Bond Theme (Album Version)
    49 Bond Meets Solitaire (Album Version)
    50 Baron Samedi's Dance Of Death (Album Version)
    51 Snakes Alive (Album Version)
    52 Bond Drops In (Album Version)
    53 Sacrifice (Album Version)
    54 San Monique (Early Version)
    55 Boat Chase Pt. 1 (Early Version)
    56 Fillet Of Soul – New Orleans / Live And Let Die / Fillet Of Soul – Harlem (Alternate)
    57 Underground Lair (Alternate Opening) (12M1A)
    58 Sacrifice (Extended Album Version)
    59 Baron Samedi's Dance Of Death (Extended Album Version)

    It's weird, but on my DVD copy, it sounds like B.J. Arnau's "Live and Let Die" is a different vocal take from the album version. I can hear the difference most clearly in the chorus vocals, on the third "Oh, say live and let die", when she goes for the high note.

    Also, on my DVD, there's a tenor sax part in the right channel, doing some riffs, as she sings the verse... I've heard the film had a stereo remix at some point, was this one of the changes made? And if so, where did they get that sax part from?

    Apologies if this is common knowledge.
  • GettlerGettler USA
    Posts: 330
    Mallory wrote: »
    Kananga wrote: »
    My wish list for the next few releases -
    A View To A Kill - with the Duran Duran demos and the 12” extended mix.
    Goldeneye - full score with the John Altman rescore, bono and The Edge demos.
    You Only Live Twice - with the different versions of the title song.
    Casino Royale / Quantum - released back to back.

    The only thing with CR and QoS is that the original releases are very complete - I dont think there is a huge amount missing from either (probably 90-95%) - maybe they could release demo's or unused music etc for them but I'm not sure the value is really there.

    That's true, most of the score is available. However, the bonus tracks for Casino Royale were an ITunes exclusive, so they could make those widely accessible now. There's at least 1 track I am aware of not on the score and it's an extended version of the prologue (License:2 Kills). The music in the film is longer than on the soundtrack.

    Quantum is missing at least 2 cues. The scene where Bond flees from the CIA and the scene where Camille and Greene meet Bond at the Party in Bolivia. I am sure there's another but I can't recall off the top of my head
  • morcarvicmorcarvic france
    Posts: 166
    Gettler wrote: »
    Mallory wrote: »
    Kananga wrote: »
    My wish list for the next few releases -
    A View To A Kill - with the Duran Duran demos and the 12” extended mix.
    Goldeneye - full score with the John Altman rescore, bono and The Edge demos.
    You Only Live Twice - with the different versions of the title song.
    Casino Royale / Quantum - released back to back.

    The only thing with CR and QoS is that the original releases are very complete - I dont think there is a huge amount missing from either (probably 90-95%) - maybe they could release demo's or unused music etc for them but I'm not sure the value is really there.

    That's true, most of the score is available. However, the bonus tracks for Casino Royale were an ITunes exclusive, so they could make those widely accessible now. There's at least 1 track I am aware of not on the score and it's an extended version of the prologue (License:2 Kills). The music in the film is longer than on the soundtrack.

    Quantum is missing at least 2 cues. The scene where Bond flees from the CIA and the scene where Camille and Greene meet Bond at the Party in Bolivia. I am sure there's another but I can't recall off the top of my head

    There's a short cue for the meeting between greene and the cia on the plane at the airfield before the opera arrivals, also for CR we could do with the film version of the Chris cornell song.
  • Posts: 146
    Gettler wrote: »
    That's true, most of the score is available. However, the bonus tracks for Casino Royale were an ITunes exclusive, so they could make those widely accessible now. There's at least 1 track I am aware of not on the score and it's an extended version of the prologue (License:2 Kills). The music in the film is longer than on the soundtrack.

    Quantum is missing at least 2 cues. The scene where Bond flees from the CIA and the scene where Camille and Greene meet Bond at the Party in Bolivia. I am sure there's another but I can't recall off the top of my head

    I've made a list of what’s missing from both films here.
  • Posts: 6,248
    My candidate for a soundtrack that really needs to get the LaLaLand treatment would be Dr. No. As you know, apart from the songs and the track "The Island Speaks", none of the music written for the movie appeared on the albums, being replaced by tunes that didn't appear in the movie. So, I do think that a complete version is long overdue.

  • SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ Lekki, Lagos, Nigeria
    Posts: 2,953
    Gerard wrote: »
    My candidate for a soundtrack that really needs to get the LaLaLand treatment would be Dr. No. As you know, apart from the songs and the track "The Island Speaks", none of the music written for the movie appeared on the albums, being replaced by tunes that didn't appear in the movie. So, I do think that a complete version is long overdue.

    Yes. I would like Dr. No as well. I quite like Norman's score. Even when it's evidently clear, that Barry later created the definitive Bond sound.
  • chrisesqetcchrisesqetc London
    Posts: 59
    Gerard wrote: »
    My candidate for a soundtrack that really needs to get the LaLaLand treatment would be Dr. No. As you know, apart from the songs and the track "The Island Speaks", none of the music written for the movie appeared on the albums, being replaced by tunes that didn't appear in the movie. So, I do think that a complete version is long overdue.

    Yes. I would like Dr. No as well. I quite like Norman's score. Even when it's evidently clear, that Barry later created the definitive Bond sound.

    Not sure there’s much chance of an expanded soundtrack - IMO more likely we’ll get a remastered GF-style release, but would love to be wrong about this! Even so, an upgrade in sound quality for DN would be incredible.

    Out of curiosity, does anyone know how much of the DN score can actually be traced back to Barry rather than Norman? Aware of the legal wrangling over the JB theme itself, but I think Barry wasn’t credited for the full score at the time, but I’ve heard suggestions that he might have had some involvement later in production. That could also explain why the released soundtrack (credited to Norman) includes cues not featured in the film - perhaps they were replaced by Barry’s arrangements?
  • mattjoesmattjoes Pun Barrel
    Posts: 7,288
    Would be nice if they used the approach taken with Barry's The Knack earlier this year and hired for example Chris Malone to extract the music from the film audio as cleanly as possible, given that technology has advanced in that respect. That approach could be applied to the first three films.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited 8:12am Posts: 19,455
    I guess that’s what they basically have done with the stem tracks on the two recent releases (eg Do You Fly Here Often?) and they sound okay but not up to the standard of the rest of the release.
    For me DN is easily the worst Bond score and I must admit I probably wouldn’t buy it!
  • chrisesqetcchrisesqetc London
    Posts: 59
    mattjoes wrote: »
    Would be nice if they used the approach taken with Barry's The Knack earlier this year and hired for example Chris Malone to extract the music from the film audio as cleanly as possible, given that technology has advanced in that respect. That approach could be applied to the first three films.

    If the original tapes are indeed lost, this would be an ideal Plan B!
    mtm wrote: »
    I guess that’s what they basically have done with the stem tracks on the two recent releases (eg Do You Fly Here Often?) and they sound okay but not up to the standard of the rest of the release.
    For me DN is easily the worst Bond score and I must admit I probably wouldn’t buy it!

    It's not my favourite, for sure - but I have a soft spot for it and would be a Day 1 purchase for me. It was the one that started it all.
  • morcarvicmorcarvic france
    Posts: 166
    Gerard wrote: »
    My candidate for a soundtrack that really needs to get the LaLaLand treatment would be Dr. No. As you know, apart from the songs and the track "The Island Speaks", none of the music written for the movie appeared on the albums, being replaced by tunes that didn't appear in the movie. So, I do think that a complete version is long overdue.

    Yes. I would like Dr. No as well. I quite like Norman's score. Even when it's evidently clear, that Barry later created the definitive Bond sound.

    Not sure there’s much chance of an expanded soundtrack - IMO more likely we’ll get a remastered GF-style release, but would love to be wrong about this! Even so, an upgrade in sound quality for DN would be incredible.



    Out of curiosity, does anyone know how much of the DN score can actually be traced back to Barry rather than Norman? Aware of the legal wrangling over the JB theme itself, but I think Barry wasn’t credited for the full score at the time, but I’ve heard suggestions that he might have had some involvement later in production. That could also explain why the released soundtrack (credited to Norman) includes cues not featured in the film - perhaps they were replaced by Barry’s arrangements?

    It has always been my understanding that on DR.NO barry was only involved late in the day in the creative realisation of the james bond theme ONLY and of course played by his 7 and orchestra as er the title credits the ⁸reused edits of that theme at later points in the film where we clearly hear Vic flicks guitar were probably down to Peter hunt who seems to have had a strong prefence for this tune to be insertable at every possible opportunity .As far as the rest of the underscore is concerned that would seem to be arrived at only by composer monty Norman,orchestrator Burt Rhodes and conductor arranger Eric Rogers (of the carry on films fame).
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    I did not know Eric Rogers worked on a Bond film, that's kind of hilarious :D
  • mattjoesmattjoes Pun Barrel
    edited 3:36pm Posts: 7,288
    mtm wrote: »
    I guess that’s what they basically have done with the stem tracks on the two recent releases (eg Do You Fly Here Often?) and they sound okay but not up to the standard of the rest of the release.

    Almost, but not exactly. In those cases they took the music from the music channel of the DME track, so the music was clean to begin with. For The Knack, they had a "monophonic music and effects (M&E) track", meaning a single channel where music and SFX were mixed together. Enter Chris Malone who had to remove the SFX. While it was not possible to include all the music, within the given limitations, the results are really good and listenable. What helps things too is the fact that the score is so melodic and tends to have tracks with sustained rhythms.

    IIRC, for DN and FRWL, all there is just the mono mix, so dialogue, music and effects, rather than just the latter two. But I believe machine learning tools could help get rid of the dialogue, leaving the latter two elements to work on, much like The Knack. A M&E track (no dialogue) does exist for GF.

    Edit: Would be interesting to know what kinds of limitations one runs into in this kind of task. I would speculate that gunfire SFX, which in those old mono mixes tends to "take over" the mix, so to speak, is hard or even impossible to get rid of. Ambient sounds on the other hand, like birds chirping or wind gusts, might be easier to deal with.
  • morcarvicmorcarvic france
    Posts: 166
    mattjoes wrote: »
    Would be nice if they used the approach taken with Barry's The Knack earlier this year and hired for example Chris Malone to extract the music from the film audio as cleanly as possible, given that technology has advanced in that respect. That approach could be applied to the first three films.

    And failing that after la la and Neil hopefully complete the remaining do-able scores in expanded and sequenced editions maybe just maybe they might consider funding rerecording's of the first three problem scores DN-FRWL and GF.The notion of David Arnold and Q the music orchestra enlarged would seem to me to be capable hands to realise a project like that ,money and legalities assumed surmounted.
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