EoN sells up - Amazon MGM to produce 007 going forwards (Heyman and Pascal confirmed as producers)

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  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited May 9 Posts: 17,967
    talos7 wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    talos7 wrote: »
    Trumps says quite clearly that he wants "that particular film" to be shot in the US, referring to Bond 26. My question is what is more likely, that amazon caves and moves production to the US to avoid the tariffs, or that they simply put Bond 26 on ice until the tariffs are removed? They have the money to do either, depending on their will. Could this become a stalemate similar to Amazon versus EON?

    Also what about tariffs in the opposite direction from other countries in response?

    Going back and listening several times, I don't think he means Bond specifically, but film in general; there is an under emphasized comma, ' "that particular, film"

    I truly think this will work out; films will be able to shoot in locations around the world, but , particularly, U.S. based films will bring more of their in studio work back to the States.

    I realize that some people do not like our President; that's their prerogative.
    As every world leader should do, he is trying to do what's best for his nation and it's citizens. In this case it's bolstering State side film production by bringing back jobs that have been increasingly exported to other countries.

    Maybe, he needs to make it actually cheaper for studios to do that rather than punish them for trying to save money though, otherwise the studios will be damaged (in what is already a bad time for them) and those jobs won't exist anywhere. That's just common sense.
    Our leaders brought jobs to our countries by incentivising the industry and making their business easier, and it worked.

    Tariffs are a tool; they may be initially uncomfortable and disruptive, but the goal of bringing more studio production back to the States will ultimately "make it actually cheaper" by creating domestic competition. More studios will be built Stateside, creating jobs, and they will vie to land productions.

    That's a fantasy. The studios are already there, the business moved out because it was too expensive. Making everything more expensive solves nothing. Again, look how the other countries made it work.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
    Posts: 8,524
    mtm wrote: »
    talos7 wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    talos7 wrote: »
    Trumps says quite clearly that he wants "that particular film" to be shot in the US, referring to Bond 26. My question is what is more likely, that amazon caves and moves production to the US to avoid the tariffs, or that they simply put Bond 26 on ice until the tariffs are removed? They have the money to do either, depending on their will. Could this become a stalemate similar to Amazon versus EON?

    Also what about tariffs in the opposite direction from other countries in response?

    Going back and listening several times, I don't think he means Bond specifically, but film in general; there is an under emphasized comma, ' "that particular, film"

    I truly think this will work out; films will be able to shoot in locations around the world, but , particularly, U.S. based films will bring more of their in studio work back to the States.

    I realize that some people do not like our President; that's their prerogative.
    As every world leader should do, he is trying to do what's best for his nation and it's citizens. In this case it's bolstering State side film production by bringing back jobs that have been increasingly exported to other countries.

    Maybe, he needs to make it actually cheaper for studios to do that rather than punish them for trying to save money though, otherwise the studios will be damaged (in what is already a bad time for them) and those jobs won't exist anywhere. That's just common sense.
    Our leaders brought jobs to our countries by incentivising the industry and making their business easier, and it worked.

    Tariffs are a tool; they may be initially uncomfortable and disruptive, but the goal of bringing more studio production back to the States will ultimately "make it actually cheaper" by creating domestic competition. More studios will be built Stateside, creating jobs, and they will vie to land productions.

    That's a fantasy. The studios are already there, the business moved out because it was too expensive. Making everything more expensive solves nothing. Again, look how the other countries made it work.

    Fantasy? Hardly. Difficult? Yes. In the U.S. Unions, among other things, have driven cost upward; dealing with them will be a challenge

    One element that has not been touched upon here that has the potential of reducing cost is technology.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited May 9 Posts: 17,967
    talos7 wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    talos7 wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    talos7 wrote: »
    Trumps says quite clearly that he wants "that particular film" to be shot in the US, referring to Bond 26. My question is what is more likely, that amazon caves and moves production to the US to avoid the tariffs, or that they simply put Bond 26 on ice until the tariffs are removed? They have the money to do either, depending on their will. Could this become a stalemate similar to Amazon versus EON?

    Also what about tariffs in the opposite direction from other countries in response?

    Going back and listening several times, I don't think he means Bond specifically, but film in general; there is an under emphasized comma, ' "that particular, film"

    I truly think this will work out; films will be able to shoot in locations around the world, but , particularly, U.S. based films will bring more of their in studio work back to the States.

    I realize that some people do not like our President; that's their prerogative.
    As every world leader should do, he is trying to do what's best for his nation and it's citizens. In this case it's bolstering State side film production by bringing back jobs that have been increasingly exported to other countries.

    Maybe, he needs to make it actually cheaper for studios to do that rather than punish them for trying to save money though, otherwise the studios will be damaged (in what is already a bad time for them) and those jobs won't exist anywhere. That's just common sense.
    Our leaders brought jobs to our countries by incentivising the industry and making their business easier, and it worked.

    Tariffs are a tool; they may be initially uncomfortable and disruptive, but the goal of bringing more studio production back to the States will ultimately "make it actually cheaper" by creating domestic competition. More studios will be built Stateside, creating jobs, and they will vie to land productions.

    That's a fantasy. The studios are already there, the business moved out because it was too expensive. Making everything more expensive solves nothing. Again, look how the other countries made it work.

    Fantasy? Hardly. Difficult? Yes. In the U.S. Unions, among other things, have driven cost upward; dealing with them will be a challenge

    Exactly; the problem is Stateside, there aren't any deals or negotiations with other countries to be made, unless it's just by strong-arming them to remove their incentives, in which case Hollywood suffers. It's bad business. More than likely it will all go away as that is pointed out to those in charge.
    As I said before, you win business by being competitive, not by destroying your competitors by driving up prices- because if you do that it's the consumer who suffers.
  • LucknFateLucknFate 007 In New York
    edited May 9 Posts: 1,869
    talos7 wrote: »
    LucknFate wrote: »
    talos7 wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    talos7 wrote: »
    Trumps says quite clearly that he wants "that particular film" to be shot in the US, referring to Bond 26. My question is what is more likely, that amazon caves and moves production to the US to avoid the tariffs, or that they simply put Bond 26 on ice until the tariffs are removed? They have the money to do either, depending on their will. Could this become a stalemate similar to Amazon versus EON?

    Also what about tariffs in the opposite direction from other countries in response?

    Going back and listening several times, I don't think he means Bond specifically, but film in general; there is an under emphasized comma, ' "that particular, film"

    I truly think this will work out; films will be able to shoot in locations around the world, but , particularly, U.S. based films will bring more of their in studio work back to the States.

    I realize that some people do not like our President; that's their prerogative.
    As every world leader should do, he is trying to do what's best for his nation and it's citizens. In this case it's bolstering State side film production by bringing back jobs that have been increasingly exported to other countries.

    Maybe, he needs to make it actually cheaper for studios to do that rather than punish them for trying to save money though, otherwise the studios will be damaged (in what is already a bad time for them) and those jobs won't exist anywhere. That's just common sense.
    Our leaders brought jobs to our countries by incentivising the industry and making their business easier, and it worked.

    Tariffs are a tool; they may be initially uncomfortable and disruptive, but the goal of bringing more studio production back to the States will ultimately "make it actually cheaper" by creating domestic competition. More studios will be built Stateside, creating jobs, and they will vie to land productions.

    My question this whole time has been, why should Bond yield to American will? That seems odd, that it's getting so politicized in the US when its a UK character. Is it because it's now an American studio? Don't they now somehow have to reckon with Pinewood? It'd be better if there was localized specialization. UK does big water tank shoots bc Pinewood is capable of that. Australia/NZ get Post-production work because they're the best at it. Hollywood focuses on studio stuff and prestige TV. Idk though.

    This isn't a "Bond" specific issue, is a "Film" issue. From big water tanks to post-production, there is no reason that the U. S. cannot be competitive in both.

    I do know that individual States have done quite well by offering incentives. I live in Louisiana and quite a few big productions have come here because of Tax incentives .

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Films_shot_in_Louisiana

    I get it's broader than Bond, I was asking why Trump is soloing out Bond. It's clear its big international projects like Bond that Trump and Hollywood are jealous of. This is protectionism. I found Eon and Bond interesting because they operate outside of the traditional system. Why threaten that? I have no interest, as a Bond fan, in changing that arrangement. I don't see how more American involvement could possibly improve James Bond. I don't care where my movies are made as long as there is a GROWING industry and its producing good content. I think the issue is streaming has killed classic Hollywood demand and I'm not really sure there is a forceful solution to reversing that.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
    Posts: 8,524
    mtm wrote: »
    talos7 wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    talos7 wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    talos7 wrote: »
    Trumps says quite clearly that he wants "that particular film" to be shot in the US, referring to Bond 26. My question is what is more likely, that amazon caves and moves production to the US to avoid the tariffs, or that they simply put Bond 26 on ice until the tariffs are removed? They have the money to do either, depending on their will. Could this become a stalemate similar to Amazon versus EON?

    Also what about tariffs in the opposite direction from other countries in response?

    Going back and listening several times, I don't think he means Bond specifically, but film in general; there is an under emphasized comma, ' "that particular, film"

    I truly think this will work out; films will be able to shoot in locations around the world, but , particularly, U.S. based films will bring more of their in studio work back to the States.

    I realize that some people do not like our President; that's their prerogative.
    As every world leader should do, he is trying to do what's best for his nation and it's citizens. In this case it's bolstering State side film production by bringing back jobs that have been increasingly exported to other countries.

    Maybe, he needs to make it actually cheaper for studios to do that rather than punish them for trying to save money though, otherwise the studios will be damaged (in what is already a bad time for them) and those jobs won't exist anywhere. That's just common sense.
    Our leaders brought jobs to our countries by incentivising the industry and making their business easier, and it worked.

    Tariffs are a tool; they may be initially uncomfortable and disruptive, but the goal of bringing more studio production back to the States will ultimately "make it actually cheaper" by creating domestic competition. More studios will be built Stateside, creating jobs, and they will vie to land productions.

    That's a fantasy. The studios are already there, the business moved out because it was too expensive. Making everything more expensive solves nothing. Again, look how the other countries made it work.

    Fantasy? Hardly. Difficult? Yes. In the U.S. Unions, among other things, have driven cost upward; dealing with them will be a challenge

    Exactly; the problem is Stateside, there aren't any deals or negotiations with other countries to be made, unless it's just by strong-arming them to remove their incentives, in which case Hollywood suffers. It's bad business. More than likely it will all go away as that is pointed out to those in charge.
    As I said before, you win business by being competitive, not by destroying your competitors- because if you do that it's the consumer who suffers.

    Yes, and there is no intent to be "hostile" toward other countries; much of this is meant to coax (force) U.S. entities to become more competitive.
  • LucknFateLucknFate 007 In New York
    Posts: 1,869
    talos7 wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    talos7 wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    talos7 wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    talos7 wrote: »
    Trumps says quite clearly that he wants "that particular film" to be shot in the US, referring to Bond 26. My question is what is more likely, that amazon caves and moves production to the US to avoid the tariffs, or that they simply put Bond 26 on ice until the tariffs are removed? They have the money to do either, depending on their will. Could this become a stalemate similar to Amazon versus EON?

    Also what about tariffs in the opposite direction from other countries in response?

    Going back and listening several times, I don't think he means Bond specifically, but film in general; there is an under emphasized comma, ' "that particular, film"

    I truly think this will work out; films will be able to shoot in locations around the world, but , particularly, U.S. based films will bring more of their in studio work back to the States.

    I realize that some people do not like our President; that's their prerogative.
    As every world leader should do, he is trying to do what's best for his nation and it's citizens. In this case it's bolstering State side film production by bringing back jobs that have been increasingly exported to other countries.

    Maybe, he needs to make it actually cheaper for studios to do that rather than punish them for trying to save money though, otherwise the studios will be damaged (in what is already a bad time for them) and those jobs won't exist anywhere. That's just common sense.
    Our leaders brought jobs to our countries by incentivising the industry and making their business easier, and it worked.

    Tariffs are a tool; they may be initially uncomfortable and disruptive, but the goal of bringing more studio production back to the States will ultimately "make it actually cheaper" by creating domestic competition. More studios will be built Stateside, creating jobs, and they will vie to land productions.

    That's a fantasy. The studios are already there, the business moved out because it was too expensive. Making everything more expensive solves nothing. Again, look how the other countries made it work.

    Fantasy? Hardly. Difficult? Yes. In the U.S. Unions, among other things, have driven cost upward; dealing with them will be a challenge

    Exactly; the problem is Stateside, there aren't any deals or negotiations with other countries to be made, unless it's just by strong-arming them to remove their incentives, in which case Hollywood suffers. It's bad business. More than likely it will all go away as that is pointed out to those in charge.
    As I said before, you win business by being competitive, not by destroying your competitors- because if you do that it's the consumer who suffers.

    Yes, and there is no intent to be "hostile" toward other countries; much of this is meant to coax (force) U.S. entities to become more competitive.

    Arresting David Zazlov would go a long way.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited May 9 Posts: 17,967
    talos7 wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    talos7 wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    talos7 wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    talos7 wrote: »
    Trumps says quite clearly that he wants "that particular film" to be shot in the US, referring to Bond 26. My question is what is more likely, that amazon caves and moves production to the US to avoid the tariffs, or that they simply put Bond 26 on ice until the tariffs are removed? They have the money to do either, depending on their will. Could this become a stalemate similar to Amazon versus EON?

    Also what about tariffs in the opposite direction from other countries in response?

    Going back and listening several times, I don't think he means Bond specifically, but film in general; there is an under emphasized comma, ' "that particular, film"

    I truly think this will work out; films will be able to shoot in locations around the world, but , particularly, U.S. based films will bring more of their in studio work back to the States.

    I realize that some people do not like our President; that's their prerogative.
    As every world leader should do, he is trying to do what's best for his nation and it's citizens. In this case it's bolstering State side film production by bringing back jobs that have been increasingly exported to other countries.

    Maybe, he needs to make it actually cheaper for studios to do that rather than punish them for trying to save money though, otherwise the studios will be damaged (in what is already a bad time for them) and those jobs won't exist anywhere. That's just common sense.
    Our leaders brought jobs to our countries by incentivising the industry and making their business easier, and it worked.

    Tariffs are a tool; they may be initially uncomfortable and disruptive, but the goal of bringing more studio production back to the States will ultimately "make it actually cheaper" by creating domestic competition. More studios will be built Stateside, creating jobs, and they will vie to land productions.

    That's a fantasy. The studios are already there, the business moved out because it was too expensive. Making everything more expensive solves nothing. Again, look how the other countries made it work.

    Fantasy? Hardly. Difficult? Yes. In the U.S. Unions, among other things, have driven cost upward; dealing with them will be a challenge

    Exactly; the problem is Stateside, there aren't any deals or negotiations with other countries to be made, unless it's just by strong-arming them to remove their incentives, in which case Hollywood suffers. It's bad business. More than likely it will all go away as that is pointed out to those in charge.
    As I said before, you win business by being competitive, not by destroying your competitors- because if you do that it's the consumer who suffers.

    Yes, and there is no intent to be "hostile" toward other countries; much of this is meant to coax (force) U.S. entities to become more competitive.

    There's a reason it's called a 'trade war'. But the genius move here is that it affects US businesses adversely as well as attempting to destroy other countries' industries.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
    Posts: 8,524
    Whether it be business, marriage, friendship and more conflict, negotiation and compromise are a reality ; what someone chooses to label it is their choice.
  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Per ora e per il momento che verrà
    Posts: 7,475
    talos7 wrote: »
    Whether it be business, marriage, friendship and more conflict, negotiation and compromise are a reality ; what someone chooses to label it is their choice.

    Sorry mate, but when you're claiming that your closest allies are 'ripping you off', you're not exactly in compromise territory...
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
    Posts: 8,524
    GoldenGun wrote: »
    talos7 wrote: »
    Whether it be business, marriage, friendship and more conflict, negotiation and compromise are a reality ; what someone chooses to label it is their choice.

    Sorry mate, but when you're claiming that your closest allies are 'ripping you off', you're not exactly in compromise territory...

    Absolutely you are; like making sausage, this will not be pretty but in the end, as was the recent trade agreement with the UK , it will be sorted out.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
    Posts: 6,681
    talos7 wrote: »
    Trumps says quite clearly that he wants "that particular film" to be shot in the US, referring to Bond 26. My question is what is more likely, that amazon caves and moves production to the US to avoid the tariffs, or that they simply put Bond 26 on ice until the tariffs are removed? They have the money to do either, depending on their will. Could this become a stalemate similar to Amazon versus EON?

    Also what about tariffs in the opposite direction from other countries in response?

    Going back and listening several times, I don't think he means Bond specifically, but film in general; there is an under emphasized comma, ' "that particular, film"

    I truly think this will work out; films will be able to shoot in locations around the world, but , particularly, U.S. based films will bring more of their in studio work back to the States.

    I realize that some people do not like our President; that's their prerogative.
    As every world leader should do, he is trying to do what's best for his nation and it's citizens. In this case it's bolstering State side film production by bringing back jobs that have been increasingly exported to other countries.

    In your opinion.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
    Posts: 8,882
    The special relationship endures.
  • Posts: 431
    echo wrote: »
    talos7 wrote: »
    Trumps says quite clearly that he wants "that particular film" to be shot in the US, referring to Bond 26. My question is what is more likely, that amazon caves and moves production to the US to avoid the tariffs, or that they simply put Bond 26 on ice until the tariffs are removed? They have the money to do either, depending on their will. Could this become a stalemate similar to Amazon versus EON?

    Also what about tariffs in the opposite direction from other countries in response?

    Going back and listening several times, I don't think he means Bond specifically, but film in general; there is an under emphasized comma, ' "that particular, film"

    I truly think this will work out; films will be able to shoot in locations around the world, but , particularly, U.S. based films will bring more of their in studio work back to the States.

    I realize that some people do not like our President; that's their prerogative.
    As every world leader should do, he is trying to do what's best for his nation and it's citizens. In this case it's bolstering State side film production by bringing back jobs that have been increasingly exported to other countries.

    In your opinion.

    Whatever the intention, this has been the completely wrong way, wrong policy, wrong man to do it.

  • Posts: 384
    So do we think Trump was the basis for Brad Whitaker?
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
    Posts: 8,613
    Oliver North was confirmed be as the basis for Whitaker. Trump is oddly closer to Goldfinger with the exception of his height. That’s not a knock on Trump, they just happen to share the same predilections when it comes to tanning and golf. Oh, and of course gold.

    Has Trump ever inspired a Bond villain? No, but definitely yes on other villains since the 80s. Lex Luthor being rebooted by John Byrne as a real estate mogul is the biggest example. Daniel Clamp in GREMLINS 2 was a combo of Trump and Ted Turner, but when casting John Glover he played him as such a likable guy that they rewrote the part to have him stay alive to the end with a change of heart. Which is great because I loved him in that film.

    EoR4KMhXcAAD5Az.jpg
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
    Posts: 5,004
    Oliver North was confirmed be as the basis for Whitaker. Trump is oddly closer to Goldfinger with the exception of his height. That’s not a knock on Trump, they just happen to share the same predilections when it comes to tanning and golf. Oh, and of course gold.

    Has Trump ever inspired a Bond villain? No, but definitely yes on other villains since the 80s. Lex Luthor being rebooted by John Byrne as a real estate mogul is the biggest example. Daniel Clamp in GREMLINS 2 was a combo of Trump and Ted Turner, but when casting John Glover he played him as such a likable guy that they rewrote the part to have him stay alive to the end with a change of heart. Which is great because I loved him in that film.

    EoR4KMhXcAAD5Az.jpg

    Slightly off-topic, by John Glover is generally known to be a nice man. It's a shame that he was never part of a Bond villain cast.

    As for Bond's movie development, don't worry, I'm sure that ideas from all production viewpoints are being tossed around.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
    Posts: 8,613
    And he was amazing as Lionel Luthor in SMALLVILLE. Deliciously evil.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    Posts: 17,967
    I loved Clamp. Wasn’t there some other movie where there’s a press conference going on and a microphone with a Clamp News logo is visible?
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