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EoN sells up - Amazon MGM to produce 007 going forwards (Denis Villeneuve to Direct)

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  • SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ Lekki, Lagos, Nigeria
    edited July 2 Posts: 2,754
    If I'm asked to pinpoint the Bond films that suits Villeneuve's style, I would say:
    Dr.No.
    From Russia With Love.
    OHMSS.
    The Spy Who Loved Me.
    For Your Eyes Only.
    The Living Daylights.
    GoldenEye.
    Casino Royale.
    Skyfall.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
    edited July 2 Posts: 8,757
    DEKE_RIVERS wrote: »
    FourDot wrote: »
    cooperman2 wrote: »
    Terrance Young, Guy Hamilton, Lewis Gilbert, Bernard Lee, Lois Maxwell, Desmond Llewellyn. Were any of these great people still with us I'm
    Sure they would be thrilled to be called the "cheapest people available". Cheap they may have been, bloody great Bond films they did make.

    Yes they made great Bond films but in a completely different market. For most of the Cubby run they were the only game in town for what we now consider "franchise" filmmaking in the true sense - in many senses Bond established the concept as we know it.

    But when the market changed the Cubby model didn't hold up, and then they found a new model and a new precedent for not only making the films viable but making them massively successful and culturally central once again.

    To be fair the Cubby model is what Marvel does now. It works until it stops working.

    But if you want better movies you need better talent.

    Cubby would have never coughed up $50m for RDJ. He would have found a male model replacement and think that was good enough.
  • DEKE_RIVERSDEKE_RIVERS
    Posts: 2,189
    MakeshiftPython wrote: »
    DEKE_RIVERS wrote: »
    FourDot wrote: »
    cooperman2 wrote: »
    Terrance Young, Guy Hamilton, Lewis Gilbert, Bernard Lee, Lois Maxwell, Desmond Llewellyn. Were any of these great people still with us I'm
    Sure they would be thrilled to be called the "cheapest people available". Cheap they may have been, bloody great Bond films they did make.

    Yes they made great Bond films but in a completely different market. For most of the Cubby run they were the only game in town for what we now consider "franchise" filmmaking in the true sense - in many senses Bond established the concept as we know it.

    But when the market changed the Cubby model didn't hold up, and then they found a new model and a new precedent for not only making the films viable but making them massively successful and culturally central once again.

    To be fair the Cubby model is what Marvel does now. It works until it stops working.

    But if you want better movies you need better talent.

    Cubby would have never coughed up $50m for RDJ. He would have found a male model replacement and think that was good enough.

    Touché.
  • NoTimeToLiveNoTimeToLive Jamaica
    Posts: 161
    Ryan wrote: »
    Excellent use of the title theme too. Having him involved from the get-go could only yield even better results.
    That alone makes the NTTD score much better than anything Newman churned out.
  • SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ Lekki, Lagos, Nigeria
    edited July 2 Posts: 2,754
    I know Newman had enough time than Zimmer, but Newman nailed the travelogue, romantic, atmospheric and suspenseful side of Bond better.
    Zimmer..of course, is better than Newman when it comes to action and it showed. But with enough time, Zimmer can of course, nail all sides of the score. That's why I suspect Villeneuve has already informed Zimmer, to get his mind ready for Bond.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited July 2 Posts: 18,432
    SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ wrote: »
    I know Newman had enough time than Zimmer, but Newman nailed the travelogue, romantic, atmospheric and suspenseful side of Bond better.
    Zimmer..of course, is better than Newman when it comes to action and it showed. But with enough time, Zimmer can of course, nail all sides of the score. That's why I suspect Villeneuve has already informed Zimmer, to get his mind ready for Bond.


    Yeah, I think I'd agree with all of that: they both have their strengths. For me Skyfall is the superior score for the reasons you say, but there's certainly lots to like in NTTD; it has that eight note rising & descending recurring motif which I think works really well. Zimmer can be great obviously, so I'd have no worries about him doing B26.
  • SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ Lekki, Lagos, Nigeria
    Posts: 2,754
    mtm wrote: »
    SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ wrote: »
    I know Newman had enough time than Zimmer, but Newman nailed the travelogue, romantic, atmospheric and suspenseful side of Bond better.
    Zimmer..of course, is better than Newman when it comes to action and it showed. But with enough time, Zimmer can of course, nail all sides of the score. That's why I suspect Villeneuve has already informed Zimmer, to get his mind ready for Bond.


    Yeah, I think I'd agree with all of that: they both have their strengths. For me Skyfall is the superior score for the reasons you say, but there's certainly lots to like in NTTD; it has that eight note rising & descending recurring motif which I think works really well. Zimmer can be great obviously, so I'd have no worries about him doing B26.

    Yes, exactly. I agree.
  • SomethingThatAteHimSomethingThatAteHim
    edited July 2 Posts: 604
    I really think Newman’s score is the weak spot of Skyfall. I find his lighthearted pattering atmospherics really undersell the atmosphere and tension in scenes and sound like they came from some generic action movie or BBC procedural rather than a Bond film. Some of the grander tracks work (like the one time he brings in the melody from the theme) but overall I’ve always found it very ill-fitting.

    We need a composer who can do the romance, atmosphere, travelogue, and action and all in a Bondian way. Someone like…David Arnold?
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    Posts: 18,432
    Problem is everyone has a different take: I'm not completely sold on Arnold- I think there are better out there. Newman for me had much more depth and quality, Arnold always feels a touch thin and surface level to me.
  • DenbighDenbigh UK
    edited July 2 Posts: 6,046
    If they can get him, I’d love to see Michael Giacchino compose the score for Bond 26. I especially admired his work on The Batman. I keep returning to his Catwoman theme, which, to me, captures an incredibly Bondian vibe.

  • SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ Lekki, Lagos, Nigeria
    Posts: 2,754
    I personally wanted Ludwig Göransson...but with Villeneuve directing, it means Zimmer is scoring Bond 26....and Zimmer with ample time, means a great score.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    Posts: 18,432
    Yep, Göransson would probably have been my pick too, maybe Pemberton; but happy with Zimmer.
  • SomethingThatAteHimSomethingThatAteHim
    Posts: 604
    Oh yeah Göransson would rock.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
    Posts: 8,757
    I’d be ok with Zimmer, but I’d definitely prefer to have someone new have a crack at it. It’s why I’m against Arnold’s return. That guy did five films in a row, and most of his soundtracks tend to be like three or four highlight tracks and everything else is just kind of the same shtick. I remember when CR was coming out I looked forward to what Arnold would do with a new Bond, and there was a lot of talk about how his score would be radically different from before and it turned out… all he did was use less techno. It didn’t feel all that different from what he had done before. Thankfully, QOS was an improvement for the most part. Still the same bag of tricks when it came to action cues, but in the end turned out to be his strongest effort. That last cue with the haunting Vesper theme descending as the camera lingers on that necklace was brilliant. If his Bond career had to end somewhere, that’s kind of perfect.
  • SomethingThatAteHimSomethingThatAteHim
    Posts: 604
    Maybe I don’t have a sophisticated enough ear or enough technical music knowledge but to me his work on Casino Royale sounds radically different from his Brosnan stuff which I wasn’t crazy for. CR is big and and lush and sweeping and managed to sound SO Bond-y without even using the Bond theme, whereas his Brosnan scores are techno noise walls with the Bond theme plastered all over. QoS I found similarly excellent, and would have been interested to see if he could develop his sound over another. But maybe he was all out of ideas idk. I just know CR and QoS are easily my favorite non-Barry scores in the series.
  • delfloriadelfloria
    Posts: 2,040
    Personally, I'd love to see what John Powell would do with a Bond score.
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