Would you rather watch Daniel Craig in Knives Out OR The Girl With the Dragon Tattoo?

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  • j_w_pepperj_w_pepper Born on the bayou. I can still hear my old hound dog barkin'.
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    Teaching the first person who said "SHIIIIT!" in a Bond film how to fly can't be wrong. On the other hand, I'd say Red Grant would not respond kindly to my attempts to turn him into a gourmet.
  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
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    Tough choice and it seems there are two minds on this one. I think Mr.Grant might be a wonderful student, but don't cross him or you might find him to be the type to suffocate you!

    Moving on, lets do this one next, somewhat of a fantasy question since neither actor's Bond has been digitalized in a modern game:

    Would you rather play a video game based on Live and Let Die starring Roger Moore's James Bond or a video game based on Licence to Kill by Timothy Dalton's James Bond?

    I chose these movies for game adaption since both feature a drug plot and drug kingpin!
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
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    LALD, though either could be seriously good if made by a team who know the film inside out. Getting to play as Moore, complete with karate-chopping moves would be the highlight. San Monique would make for an excellent open world map. There are enough scenes set here to flesh it out. Fill in any extra space by researching the Jamaican landscape. Access patrolled areas with the fishing boat and hang glider. Watch out for scarecrows in the forest! Plenty of vehicle chases - getting to drive a double decker bus. Getting to drive a single decker bus. Getting to drive a jalopy hauling Oysters - the slowest vehicle in the game - after JW's new carboat, that is. Collect tarot cards along the mission and travel back to the hotel shop to get extra info on what they mean. The gameplay writes itself. Quarrel's boat seems to be the safehouse, not the hotel room - that place is wired for sound and henchmen posing as staff can enter as they please. Downside is no Q seen in this game, but you can still receive messages from him via the hairbrush!
  • BennyBenny In the shadowsAdministrator, Moderator
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    For those old enough to remember, there are actually video games based on LALD and LTK.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Live_and_Let_Die_(video_game)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/007:_Licence_to_Kill

    Both were released by Domark in the late 80's. LTK faired better for it's gameplay, but by todays standards, they were both pretty crap.
    If someone were too do an updated version of either, I think I'd opt for LTK.
    So many of the action sequences in the film, would translate well too a video game. The pts, stalking the Wavekrest, the scene in Krests warehouse, underwater action and waterskiing behind the plane, the tanker chase, the options are almost limitless.
    However as @QBranch mentioned, a LALD game could also be awesome.

  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Per ora e per il momento che verrà
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    I have been dreaming of a Tim Dalton game ever since FRWL was adapted back in 2005. I've never managed to play 007 Legends, which includes some LTK levels, but I hear it's pretty terrible. In any case, I want that LTK game :))

    Imagine:
    - the plane stunt in the PTS
    - several stealth levels (warehouse, Leiter's house, Wavekrest, casino)
    - underwater action + waterplane stunt
    - sniper scene
    - ninja action
    - big explosive climax in the meditation centre and down the mountain roads with the tankers

    While they're at it, please also make TLD :p
  • SIS_HQSIS_HQ At the Vauxhall Headquarters
    edited June 2023 Posts: 3,401
    I think LTK would be better, because it's more action packed than LALD.

    LALD for me felt a bit slow with too many chases, and there's actually a video game already about LALD that featured the boat chase, and it's repetitive and kinda boring when I've seen it, bus chase wasn't that amazing for a video game either.

    LTK, on the other hand, had more action and it's very bloody, and not just full of action, but it also had a straightforward story that could also be more applicable for a game too.

    It's action filled but not boring sort of thing.

    So, I'd go with LTK.
    GoldenGun wrote: »
    I have been dreaming of a Tim Dalton game ever since FRWL was adapted back in 2005. I've never managed to play 007 Legends, which includes some LTK levels, but I hear it's pretty terrible. In any case, I want that LTK game :))

    Imagine:
    - the plane stunt in the PTS
    - several stealth levels (warehouse, Leiter's house, Wavekrest, casino)
    - underwater action + waterplane stunt
    - sniper scene
    - ninja action
    - big explosive climax in the meditation centre and down the mountain roads with the tankers

    While they're at it, please also make TLD :p

    007 Legends was pretty decent, I think, I haven't played it, but watching some of the gameplays, it's decent, I think the most interesting level in that was OHMSS (with the ski chases and the physical fight with Blofeld) and maybe Moonraker.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    I think LTK has a lot of potential for a video game. And I'm a daltonite. So gimme LTK, please.
  • slide_99slide_99 USA
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    I prefer LTK, but its setting, style, and plot are already very common in action games, so I think an LTK game would come off as redundant.

    I'll take the LALD game. Nice variety of both locations (NYC, Louisiana, Bahamas) and mission styles (stealth, chase, fighting, shooting). Also, after all the games devoted to Brosnan, Craig, and Connery, it'd be nice to play as Roger's Bond for once.
  • Agent_99Agent_99 enjoys a spirited ride as much as the next girl
    edited June 2023 Posts: 3,126
    All those voting LALD, your wish can be granted!



    Why they made a game based on a 1973 Bond film in 1988 is beyond me, but here we are.
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    LTK as a game offers more scope for narrative gameplay. As Bond is basically inducted into Sanchez's criminal organisation and destroys them from the inside, it could offer many options which could affect the outcome of the story, such as:
    • Who Bond manipulates to sow distrust in Sanchez's crew
    • What information Bond finds out, or doesnt, and how this increases opportunities for him.
    • Maybe have a branching story within the main narrative with certain characters who can be killed, altering the outcome.

    Plus it has a good variety of action scenes which would translate well into a game.

    LALD on the other hand... if they did it semi-open world, for example San Monique as an island was fully explorable, Far Cry style, that would be fun. Same with the New York and the Bayou as well.
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
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    Incorporate the curse of La Rumorosa Pass into the fuel tanker chase with subtleness, such as rockslides and the occasional flaming hand.

    Funnily enough, I ended up buying the LALD game for Spectrum - uninfluenced by this thread, but while searching for the role-playing game.
  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
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    Game On! Love the answers to the question. Seems like a split in terms of an answer. I admit that both would be high caliber games and it would be very cool to see Sir Roger as JB again.

    Lets move on to discuss this one a battle of the un-official Bond films! I have my suspicions about this one, but lets see how the community decides what film they'd rather watch!

    Would you rather watch CR '67 or NSNA?
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    I've watched NSNA many times and thoroughly enjoyed it. Never seen CR '67. So to answer your question, the latter every time.
    I'll be amazed if anyone thinks different.
  • j_w_pepperj_w_pepper Born on the bayou. I can still hear my old hound dog barkin'.
    Posts: 8,776
    thedove wrote: »
    Game On! Love the answers to the question. Seems like a split in terms of an answer. I admit that both would be high caliber games and it would be very cool to see Sir Roger as JB again.

    Lets move on to discuss this one a battle of the un-official Bond films! I have my suspicions about this one, but lets see how the community decides what film they'd rather watch!

    Would you rather watch CR '67 or NSNA?

    Since I watched CR '67 maybe twice in the last few decades, and NSNA at least four or five times (most of those before I even saw TB!), the answer is clear. CR'67 can be fun if you can take it, but though I like some more outrageous stuff (say Monty Python, say Dr. Strangelove, say Ealing comedies), this is not really my type of comedy or satire.
  • DwayneDwayne New York City
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    Do these help answer your question?! :))
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    While the jokes are hit and miss, CR'67 has one of my favorite musical scores, and I enjoy the 60's mod style of it.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    Let's see, a deranged 1960s spoof full of lovelies and an awesome score, versus Kevin McClory's passion project to destroy Ian Fleming and EON, poorly written, even worse executed and provided with a terrible score?

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    I shall let miss Goodthighs answer the question for me.

    Meanwhile, I understand that there are things we can say to support McClory and excuse the awful ugliness of NSNA -- fellow members have been trying to get me on his side for years -- but the fact remains that he was a vindictive bastard who all but carried Fleming to his grave, kept suing EON (though his beef was with Fleming, not with EON), constantly threatened to take Bond in a different direction, away from the regular series, and then, after all those years of big words, silly lawsuits and constant threats... delivered a film that looks like a television production from the early '70s, sounds like it too, and couldn't even clear enough budget to make the stunts work. Seriously, NSNA is to Bond what Roger Corman's Battle Beyond The Stars is to Star Wars. Rather than spend his entire bloody life obsessing over some ideas that Fleming may have walked away with after a night of boozing and laughing, he should've learned how to make a good film first and then go out there actually making good films.

    And with that, my monthly anti-McClory rant is over. I'll happily return to '67 now for some firewords at Casino Royale.
  • mattjoesmattjoes At my most trollish behavior
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    DarthDimi wrote: »
    Let's see, a deranged 1960s spoof full of lovelies and an awesome score, versus Kevin McClory's passion project to destroy Ian Fleming and EON, poorly written, even worse executed and provided with a terrible score?

    yqrvapgawefk.jpg

    I shall let miss Goodthighs answer the question for me.

    I won't let you get away with those defamatory words about NSNA. Ms. Goodthighs? Yes, sure, lovely, but what about Ms. Goodthighs-Goodcalves-Goodearlobes-Goodeverythingelse?

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    Seems she's in the mood for revenge.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    CR67 is a psychedelic hoot. I prefer it to NSNA honestly.
    So CR67 for the win.
  • Agent_99Agent_99 enjoys a spirited ride as much as the next girl
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    CR67 for sure. I found it slow when I watched it as a teen but enjoyed a recent rewatch. And I'll always take 1960s psychedelic weirdness over 1980s 'video games are cool'.

    Plus: Bernard Cribbins.
  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Per ora e per il momento che verrà
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    I have a soft spot for both of them. They're both children of their time, and I love 60's as well as 80's atmosphere.

    As for CR67, it has an amazing soundtrack, it has giallo legend Barbara Bouchet and Joanna Pettet in an excellent turn as Mata Bond.
    I'm also a huge fan of David Niven, he was in my first avatar back when I joined KTBEU, in 2009 I think it was. And if I may say so, he might not be our typical Bond film protagonist, but he manages to keep his dignity throughout the narrative mess that is CR67.

    As for NSNA, I think it manages to be different enough from TB despite not having the same source material. I like how it globetrots a bit more, especially the French Riviera give me some 80's summer vibes.
    I also think the cast is amazing, with Connery back in the role, with European cinema giants Brandauer and von Sydow and with an excellent Barbara Carrera. NSNA though for me is that Bond film with the best ever Felix: Bernie Casey.

    They are obviously pretty flawed too, the both of them, though for me there's enough to like in either.
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    I too like both of them. Depending on the mood I'm in! Hated NSNA when I first saw it, coming straight after OP, it was a big letdown, but have warmed to it a lot more over the years. If I had to choose, I would prob go NSNA!
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    I've seen bits of CR 67 and it just looked silly and not very funny. I'd much rather watch Connery in his syrup.
  • SIS_HQSIS_HQ At the Vauxhall Headquarters
    edited June 2023 Posts: 3,401
    CR 67 is the film that made a caricature of Bond, and dare I say it, ruined Bond, became an inspiration of Austin Powers and other parodies, introduced a codename theory by having multiple Bonds, it just messed up the James Bond name.

    NSNA on the other hand, still felt like a proper EON Bond film (sure it doesn't have the gunbarrel, the PTS, the title Sequence and a nice song), but the film itself still felt like a proper Bond film, not a parody or a caricature.

    And sometimes, I'm finding myself coming back to it than the OG Thunderball because NSNA never bored me, it's action filled (my favorite part is the chase between Bond in his motorcycle and Fatima in her red car), it's fun, compared to Thunderball which full of dark and silent moments and that underwater scenes.

    I even regarded the campy Moore film like Octopussy or The Man With The Golden Gun in higher quality compared to CR 67.

    CR 67 was very cartoonish with zero quality, the only decent thing in it was the score, but aside from it, I just can't bring myself to watch the movie.

    I don't mind Kevin McClory, sure the history behind NSNA was horrible, but what I'm talking here is the quality and CR 67 was still not on par with even a film like NSNA, again in terms of quality.

    It's just a messed up film from the start till the end.

    NSNA was poor, but CR 67 was a straight up trash.

    I would take NSNA by a mile!
  • I think both films are hot garbage, but I get more enjoyment out of CR67. NSNA is just depressing.
  • SIS_HQSIS_HQ At the Vauxhall Headquarters
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    I think both films are hot garbage, but I get more enjoyment out of CR67. NSNA is just depressing.

    That's a different take 😅
    What made the film depressing to you? 😅 Just curious.
  • SIS_HQ wrote: »
    I think both films are hot garbage, but I get more enjoyment out of CR67. NSNA is just depressing.

    That's a different take 😅
    What made the film depressing to you? 😅 Just curious.

    I find the film to be a huge missed opportunity in so many aspects. McClory and Co were so busy trying to compete with EON that they didn’t realize that they had a rare opportunity to tell a story that never Broccoli and EON never could. I know people will say that McClory only had the rights to Thunderball, and so he couldn’t tell any other story beyond that, but considering how loosely adapted CR67 was, and how that film went without any sort of retaliation from EON (such as a lawsuit), I’m not sure how confined to the novel McClory had to be, especially when you read some of the details on the abandoned Warhead script. I already think EON’s Thunderball is a somewhat middling film in the context of the series, but NSNA just bores me so much. Plus I have to agree with @DarthDimi , I can’t throw my support behind this movie in any sort of way because of the cynical nature of its production. It’s a film made out of spite by people who had issues with either Fleming or EON, and it shows.

    Plus I hate to say it, but Connery got knocked down a couple spots in my Bond actor rankings because of this film (as well as YOLT/DAF.) I think it’s a blight on his association with the character.

    But that’s just my opinion 😅
  • SIS_HQSIS_HQ At the Vauxhall Headquarters
    edited June 2023 Posts: 3,401
    SIS_HQ wrote: »
    I think both films are hot garbage, but I get more enjoyment out of CR67. NSNA is just depressing.

    That's a different take 😅
    What made the film depressing to you? 😅 Just curious.

    I find the film to be a huge missed opportunity in so many aspects. McClory and Co were so busy trying to compete with EON that they didn’t realize that they had a rare opportunity to tell a story that never Broccoli and EON never could. I know people will say that McClory only had the rights to Thunderball, and so he couldn’t tell any other story beyond that, but considering how loosely adapted CR67 was, and how that film went without any sort of retaliation from EON (such as a lawsuit), I’m not sure how confined to the novel McClory had to be, especially when you read some of the details on the abandoned Warhead script. I already think EON’s Thunderball is a somewhat middling film in the context of the series, but NSNA just bores me so much. Plus I have to agree with @DarthDimi , I can’t throw my support behind this movie in any sort of way because of the cynical nature of its production. It’s a film made out of spite by people who had issues with either Fleming or EON, and it shows.

    Plus I hate to say it, but Connery got knocked down a couple spots in my Bond actor rankings because of this film (as well as YOLT/DAF.) I think it’s a blight on his association with the character.

    But that’s just my opinion 😅

    Oh, I understand that

    Yes, and if my memory serves, they've tried to do it again in the late 90's with Dalton and in 2000's with Brosnan or is it Liam Neeson (?) (with Connery being cited coming back as the villain), I mean, that's how frustrated was McClory to get the film properly made.

    Only his death stopped him from doing that further.
  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
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    SIS_HQ wrote: »
    I think both films are hot garbage, but I get more enjoyment out of CR67. NSNA is just depressing.

    That's a different take 😅
    What made the film depressing to you? 😅 Just curious.

    I find the film to be a huge missed opportunity in so many aspects. McClory and Co were so busy trying to compete with EON that they didn’t realize that they had a rare opportunity to tell a story that never Broccoli and EON never could. I know people will say that McClory only had the rights to Thunderball, and so he couldn’t tell any other story beyond that, but considering how loosely adapted CR67 was, and how that film went without any sort of retaliation from EON (such as a lawsuit), I’m not sure how confined to the novel McClory had to be, especially when you read some of the details on the abandoned Warhead script. I already think EON’s Thunderball is a somewhat middling film in the context of the series, but NSNA just bores me so much. Plus I have to agree with @DarthDimi , I can’t throw my support behind this movie in any sort of way because of the cynical nature of its production. It’s a film made out of spite by people who had issues with either Fleming or EON, and it shows.

    Plus I hate to say it, but Connery got knocked down a couple spots in my Bond actor rankings because of this film (as well as YOLT/DAF.) I think it’s a blight on his association with the character.

    But that’s just my opinion 😅

    Yes CR '67 had more creative license because they owned the rights outright. TB had a very specific clause that the film could be re-made but needed to follow the plot of the TB novel and not deviate to something else entirely. So while they could change certain aspects of the characters, etc. they couldn't suddenly have the villain be attempting world domination through another means. I think they did the best they could given the parameters.
  • LeonardPineLeonardPine The Bar on the Beach
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    CR 67 is excruciatingly bad. A poxy dog's dinner of a film. What a disgusting waste of an incredible book. (Sorry I'm in a bad mood tonight..😁)

    So it's NSNA for me. For all its faults I really enjoy it. Connery is great, as are all the cast. Some outstanding moments in this. Let down by the drab photography, crap score and a lifeless climax.

  • Agent_99Agent_99 enjoys a spirited ride as much as the next girl
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    SIS_HQ wrote: »
    CR 67 is the film that made a caricature of Bond, and dare I say it, ruined Bond, became an inspiration of Austin Powers and other parodies, introduced a codename theory by having multiple Bonds, it just messed up the James Bond name.

    Oh, I don't think the people parodying Bond needed any help from this one! By 1967 we already had Get Smart, Our Man Flint, Arabesque...personally I blame Goldfinger.

    CR67 also gave us this tie-in book cover, which must have been baffling for anyone who picked up the book after watching the film.

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