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  • Risico007Risico007
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    MaxCasino wrote: »
    Modern day. Fleming didn't write the character as a period piece in his time. Certain characters from the old stories could work well in the modern era as well.
    Well there is nothing i can say better then this except

    1000% agreed
  • CrabKeyCrabKey
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    Fleming's first Bond novel was written in 1953, the last 1964. Much changed during that time, and Fleming kept Bond in the modern world of his day. The past works for the novels, but not films.

    Keep the films in the present, but with technology that exists now, not some fanciful thing that may exist in the future (Heracles.)

  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    Risico007 wrote: »
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    Modern day. Fleming didn't write the character as a period piece in his time. Certain characters from the old stories could work well in the modern era as well.
    Well there is nothing i can say better then this except

    1000% agreed

    Thank you, I still hope for some modern day villain spinoff novels. I'd say it's overdue on IFP.
    CrabKey wrote: »
    Fleming's first Bond novel was written in 1953, the last 1964. Much changed during that time, and Fleming kept Bond in the modern world of his day. The past works for the novels, but not films.

    Keep the films in the present, but with technology that exists now, not some fanciful thing that may exist in the future (Heracles.)
    CrabKey wrote: »
    Fleming's first Bond novel was written in 1953, the last 1964. Much changed during that time, and Fleming kept Bond in the modern world of his day. The past works for the novels, but not films.

    Keep the films in the present, but with technology that exists now, not some fanciful thing that may exist in the future (Heracles.)

    I agree, keep it real, with a hint of future fantasy.
  • UnivexUnivex
    edited September 2023 Posts: 6,677
    As much as I like the books, I think the films should be set in the present.
  • Risico007Risico007
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    I read all three Horowitz novels and felt a certain amount of well inauthenticity about the whole ordeal again On his majesty’s secret service felt like a breath of fresh air versus the Horowitz trilogy

    Hoping Higson gets to do a modern day trilogy
  • ColonelAdamskiColonelAdamski UK
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    This is a very interesting question. I've enjoyed continuation novels set in modern times, but the further we get from the sixties, the less they feel like the same character that Fleming wrote. And there's no way, no matter how talented the writer, can they make a thirty-something spy living in 2023, mirror the man in Fleming's books, who came from a very different world.
    Even up to the Benson era, tech and (perhaps more importantly) attitudes hadn't moved that far forward from the sixties enough to make Bond's world seem like another world. Now, things are so different in the world that Fleming's Bond simply wouldn't exist in the modern era.
    My own preference would be to write him in the Fleming era, and keep that era's attitudes. Which would never happen.
    Horowitz actually did a pretty amazing job of not having a car-crash of current attitudes banging up against the period setting. He'll be a tough act to follow, and I'm afraid I can't see Higson doing it successfully.
  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
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    To bring him forward to the present day does pose some interesting dilemas for the author. I applauded Deaver for trying it. It has been a while since I read Carte Blache but I found Bond to be rather non-descript and lacking. I think there must be a way to have certain characteristics brought forward, but it seems more talented writers than me have had difficulty with this.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    I really enjoyed the Horowitz books, so I think period can work very well. But I suppose if you're doing a new Bond book there's not much point if you're not offering something different to what Fleming offered, because you're not going to beat him on his home turf. So I'd say modern day too.

    It's odd we have people wanting the new books to be set current day, and yet often a bunch of people wanting the films to be set in the past! :)
  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
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    Very ironic @mtm and a head scratcher. With the cost of a time period film I think its unlikely to happen which may explain the draw.

    I haven't read Higson's novella but have heard nothing but positive from people who have given it a read. I believe IFP dictated that Horowitz write in the period of Fleming and opened up his archives to take sections, for Trigger Mortis. Gardner did Bond in the 80's but he was Fleming's Bond for the most part.

  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    thedove wrote: »
    To bring him forward to the present day does pose some interesting dilemas for the author. I applauded Deaver for trying it. It has been a while since I read Carte Blache but I found Bond to be rather non-descript and lacking. I think there must be a way to have certain characteristics brought forward, but it seems more talented writers than me have had difficulty with this.

    Everyone of the characters in Carte Blanche were well done. Yes, Bond himself was the odd-man out.
    mtm wrote: »
    I really enjoyed the Horowitz books, so I think period can work very well. But I suppose if you're doing a new Bond book there's not much point if you're not offering something different to what Fleming offered, because you're not going to beat him on his home turf. So I'd say modern day too.

    It's odd we have people wanting the new books to be set current day, and yet often a bunch of people wanting the films to be set in the past! :)

    There’s pros and cons of making Bond past and present.
    thedove wrote: »
    Very ironic @mtm and a head scratcher. With the cost of a time period film I think its unlikely to happen which may explain the draw.

    I haven't read Higson's novella but have heard nothing but positive from people who have given it a read. I believe IFP dictated that Horowitz write in the period of Fleming and opened up his archives to take sections, for Trigger Mortis. Gardner did Bond in the 80's but he was Fleming's Bond for the most part.

    I do feel that IFP should have a few novels (apart Kim Sherwood and her 00-agent trilogy) should be in the present for a while. If IFP keeps going back to Fleming’s timeline, it’s going to feel like a athlete who keeps saying that they will retire, but keeps coming back for money. Bond should generally keep moving forward to the future.
  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
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    Lets have some fun with the luxury of our favourite secret agent. He's been known to travel in some high circles and with the highest of luxury. So lets chat about this

    Would you rather travel by train aboard the Orient Express OR by plane in Goldfinger's private jet?

    You can decide if Tatiana or Kerim Bey is with you on the train. Or whether Mie Li or Pussy is flying the friendly skies.

    What would you rather travel on? train or plane?
  • LudovicoLudovico
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    Orient Express, hands down. Because it's the freaking Orient Express. But given the choice I generally travel by train instead of other means of transport. And we've had quite a few nice looking trains in the franchise so far.
  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Per ora e per il momento che verrà
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    I dislike flying, so I'd even prefer a regular 2nd class train ride over a private jet.

    But the Orient Express man, that should win every single transportation battle, except perhaps a few nice Italian cars, or an Aston Martin. Or a Riva.
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    The Orient Express.

    I hear starting g a meal with an Americano and transitioning to a Brolio Chianti does a nice little trick….
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
    edited September 2023 Posts: 40,609
    Definitely the Orient Express for me. Seems way cozier and more relaxing than a trip on Goldfinger's jet, that's for damn sure.
  • UnivexUnivex
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    Yep, I love trains and that one is an old dream on the bucket list.
  • j_w_pepperj_w_pepper Born on the bayou. I can still hear my old hound dog barkin'.
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    Univex wrote: »
    Yep, I love trains and that one is an old dream on the bucket list.

    Especially since going on the Transsiberian is really no longer an option.
  • Junglist_1985Junglist_1985 Los Angeles
    edited September 2023 Posts: 1,007
    Orient Express and if you say otherwise I’m doubting your spy flick cred.
  • UnivexUnivex
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    j_w_pepper wrote: »
    Univex wrote: »
    Yep, I love trains and that one is an old dream on the bucket list.

    Especially since going on the Transsiberian is really no longer an option.

    True, true. How sad.
  • CommanderRossCommanderRoss The bottom of a pitch lake in Eastern Trinidad, place called La Brea
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    Univex wrote: »
    j_w_pepper wrote: »
    Univex wrote: »
    Yep, I love trains and that one is an old dream on the bucket list.

    Especially since going on the Transsiberian is really no longer an option.

    True, true. How sad.

    Considering the endless pinetrees, I'm not so sure I mind.

    anyway, Orient express for the win.

  • CrabKeyCrabKey
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    Private jets simply are not romantic. They have no appeal to the imagination. They do only one thing well: get you to your destination faster.
  • Agent_99Agent_99 enjoys a spirited ride as much as the next girl
    edited September 2023 Posts: 3,123
    Pussy Galore could pilot me anywhere she liked. Jet all the way. (Maybe she'll let me take the controls for a bit!)
  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
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    Yes @CrabKey I tend to agree with you, a private jet is not the most romantic place in the world. Almost a clean sweep for the train and the romance of it all!

    Okay lets move to the art of gambling! Fleming wrote about bridge, chemin de fer, and other games of chance that i have forgotten. In the films we have seen chemin de fer, poker, backgammon, heck even a video game where Bond gambled and, usually, won.

    So my dear community lets pit two of our games together and ask the question:

    Would you rather gamble on a golf game OR gamble playing backgammon?

    In both cases your opponent will be cheating to win so you will need your wits to overcome. Would you rather battle your villain on the links or at a table? Both have mute henchmen that will likely crush your ball or your dice with their bare hands! Both opponents will be willing to write out a check to cash. LOL! Never realized how much GF and OP were similar!
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
    edited September 2023 Posts: 40,609
    I'll go with Kamal Khan at backgammon, mostly because I'd be trash at golf, Khan is one of my favorite villains of the series, and it seems way easier to "one up" him by revealing his cheating tactics than making it through a round of golf with Goldfinger.

    @thedove, that's a great post at the end there, I've also never realized how much those two sequences have in common.
  • SIS_HQSIS_HQ At the Vauxhall Headquarters
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    Is it me or there's a tension in that Goldfinger golf scene? Like there's the danger lingering around that scene? It's like one move against Goldfinger and he would order Oddjob to kill you, that's what I've felt while watching the film, I've felt the danger that Bond might experience if he did at least one wrong move, it's obvious that the scene was not in Bond's control, but Goldfinger.

    The scene with Kamal Khan at the backgammon game, on the other hand, was just pure fun, no tension at all, even there's Gobinda, but no tension at all, it's all played for fun and the atmosphere was relaxed, no tension, nor danger lingering around, it's the scene where I don't feel Bond was going to die at any minute he make a wrong move, and since Bond was also in control of the time.

    I don't know, it might be my personal feeling, but I don't know, but the golf scenes are serious for me, full of tension and lingering danger, unlike the Backgammon which was just for fun.

    So, for that, I'll go with the Backgammon scene with Kamal Khan, as I don't feel to myself that I would get killed after or while in the middle of the game.
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    Golf, because even if my opponent was cheating, I'd at least have a shot at bettering him, whereas with backgammon the opponent wouldn't have to cheat to beat me...
  • LudovicoLudovico
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    SIS_HQ wrote: »
    Is it me or there's a tension in that Goldfinger golf scene? Like there's the danger lingering around that scene? It's like one move against Goldfinger and he would order Oddjob to kill you, that's what I've felt while watching the film, I've felt the danger that Bond might experience if he did at least one wrong move, it's obvious that the scene was not in Bond's control, but Goldfinger.

    The scene with Kamal Khan at the backgammon game, on the other hand, was just pure fun, no tension at all, even there's Gobinda, but no tension at all, it's all played for fun and the atmosphere was relaxed, no tension, nor danger lingering around, it's the scene where I don't feel Bond was going to die at any minute he make a wrong move, and since Bond was also in control of the time.

    I don't know, it might be my personal feeling, but I don't know, but the golf scenes are serious for me, full of tension and lingering danger, unlike the Backgammon which was just for fun.

    So, for that, I'll go with the Backgammon scene with Kamal Khan, as I don't feel to myself that I would get killed after or while in the middle of the game.

    The golf scene in Goldfinger is more suspenseful than many action scenes not only in Bond films, but in other franchises as well. It is masterfully done, it serves the plot, reveals something about the characters and has atmosphere. Bond films are different not in their action scenes but in their quiet moments. And that scene is a staple to this.

    That said I'd go for backgammon, because I don't think I can play golf to save my life. Not that I know much about backgammon, but I'd have a slightly better chance.
  • Agent_99Agent_99 enjoys a spirited ride as much as the next girl
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    I'd need to cheat like crazy to win at either of those (unless it's crazy golf)...I guess golf, so I could batter my opponent over the head with a club and make a run for it!
  • BennyBenny In the shadowsAdministrator, Moderator
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    I sometimes play golf. But I'm not that good.
    I'd rather play backgammon with a pair of loaded dice. If possible.
  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
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    SIS_HQ wrote: »
    Is it me or there's a tension in that Goldfinger golf scene? Like there's the danger lingering around that scene? It's like one move against Goldfinger and he would order Oddjob to kill you, that's what I've felt while watching the film, I've felt the danger that Bond might experience if he did at least one wrong move, it's obvious that the scene was not in Bond's control, but Goldfinger.

    The scene with Kamal Khan at the backgammon game, on the other hand, was just pure fun, no tension at all, even there's Gobinda, but no tension at all, it's all played for fun and the atmosphere was relaxed, no tension, nor danger lingering around, it's the scene where I don't feel Bond was going to die at any minute he make a wrong move, and since Bond was also in control of the time.

    I don't know, it might be my personal feeling, but I don't know, but the golf scenes are serious for me, full of tension and lingering danger, unlike the Backgammon which was just for fun.

    I agree with you. I forget which director I saw said the golf game scenes were wonderful and added so much to the characters and the plot. He went on to say that for today's action film audiences they'd never sit through scenes like that. He stated that today's audiences want their action. I agree with @Ludovico it has been a hallmark of the series to have these quiet moments leading up to the big action set pieces. This one set the standard.

    I have golfed but never played backgammon so I am heading to the links with Goldfinger and Oddjob. Hopefully I can get Hawker to carry for me and we might just show those 2 rascals how to cheat ethically! LOL!
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