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    Standalone. But I wish that EON had held off on using SPECTRE & Blofeld, and instead drip-feed them into the next actors era, increasing their presence more with each film. Oh well, it doesn't matter now.

    This. SPECTRE was the big, #1 issue with the Craig era for me. They should have waited to carefully construct an arc with them for the start of the next era and left Craig's alone instead of trying to unconvincingly explain away they had been responsible for everything.
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    With Craig's Bond dead, establishing any sort of continuity between the next Bond and anything to do with the Craig series will venture into the realms of science fiction and fantasy. As much as I liked Craig's supporting cast, I don't want to see any of those people back, as in the return of Judi Dench. Nor do I want to entertain the idea that the new Bond will be the Bond who eventually becomes Craig along the lines of Endeavour becomes Morse.

    Nor do I want to see the Aston Martins of Connery, Lazenby, Dalton, Brosnan, and Craig. I don't want to play "which Bond are we calling back to?"

    Bond's name, the names of all his MI6 colleagues, and the Bond theme will be continuity enough for Bond 26.

    If subsequent Bond films need to make reference to Bond 26 fine, but that can easily be done in stand alone films.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    Standalone. But I wish that EON had held off on using SPECTRE & Blofeld, and instead drip-feed them into the next actors era, increasing their presence more with each film. Oh well, it doesn't matter now.

    A mix of both. Have certain characters that could be set up for future movies (I could see Blofeld working again this way, but have one actor commit to the role. Also, EON don't play stupid with the audience again. If Blofeld is a character, just call him Blofeld). I could also see Alec Trevelyan working this way as well, he starts good, and slowly becomes a villain. If doing continuity, don't be afraid to film films back-to-back. Or plan ideas in advance, EON.
  • George_KaplanGeorge_Kaplan Not a red herring
    edited August 2023 Posts: 567
    CrabKey wrote: »
    Nor do I want to entertain the idea that the new Bond will be the Bond who eventually becomes Craig along the lines of Endeavour becomes Morse.

    I initially thought Craig was supposed to be the Bond who eventually becomes the character from the first 20 films. I don't know how much further back we can go without ruining the character's mystery.
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    CrabKey wrote: »
    Nor do I want to entertain the idea that the new Bond will be the Bond who eventually becomes Craig along the lines of Endeavour becomes Morse.

    I initially thought Craig was supposed to be the Bond who eventually becomes the character from the first 20 films. I don't know how much further back we can go without ruining the character's mystery.

    Did those first 20 films come between QoS and SF?
  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
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    MaxCasino wrote: »
    Standalone. But I wish that EON had held off on using SPECTRE & Blofeld, and instead drip-feed them into the next actors era, increasing their presence more with each film. Oh well, it doesn't matter now.

    A mix of both. Have certain characters that could be set up for future movies (I could see Blofeld working again this way, but have one actor commit to the role. Also, EON don't play stupid with the audience again. If Blofeld is a character, just call him Blofeld). I could also see Alec Trevelyan working this way as well, he starts good, and slowly becomes a villain. If doing continuity, don't be afraid to film films back-to-back. Or plan ideas in advance, EON.

    That would be kind of like how Marvel used Thanos for phase 1 or was it 2? LOL!

    But a shadowy figure who eventually says "I guess I am going to have to do it myself." I would love that, course they would need to plan ahead and cast the right actor, or do what Cubby and Harry did and shoot just his hands and back of head.
  • Last_Rat_StandingLast_Rat_Standing Long Neck Ice Cold Beer Never Broke My Heart
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    CrabKey wrote: »
    CrabKey wrote: »
    Nor do I want to entertain the idea that the new Bond will be the Bond who eventually becomes Craig along the lines of Endeavour becomes Morse.

    I initially thought Craig was supposed to be the Bond who eventually becomes the character from the first 20 films. I don't know how much further back we can go without ruining the character's mystery.

    Did those first 20 films come between QoS and SF?

    If they hadn't killed Bond in NTTD, I wouldn't have minded that
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    CrabKey wrote: »
    With Craig's Bond dead, establishing any sort of continuity between the next Bond and anything to do with the Craig series will venture into the realms of science fiction and fantasy. As much as I liked Craig's supporting cast, I don't want to see any of those people back, as in the return of Judi Dench.
    Agreed. Clean slate. Always thought carrying Dench over was technically a mistake, but I bought it as her playing a slightly different M just because she was so damn good.
  • Last_Rat_StandingLast_Rat_Standing Long Neck Ice Cold Beer Never Broke My Heart
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    chrisisall wrote: »
    CrabKey wrote: »
    With Craig's Bond dead, establishing any sort of continuity between the next Bond and anything to do with the Craig series will venture into the realms of science fiction and fantasy. As much as I liked Craig's supporting cast, I don't want to see any of those people back, as in the return of Judi Dench.
    Agreed. Clean slate. Always thought carrying Dench over was technically a mistake, but I bought it as her playing a slightly different M just because she was so damn good.

    I never bought her as the same M from the Brosnan era.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    chrisisall wrote: »
    CrabKey wrote: »
    With Craig's Bond dead, establishing any sort of continuity between the next Bond and anything to do with the Craig series will venture into the realms of science fiction and fantasy. As much as I liked Craig's supporting cast, I don't want to see any of those people back, as in the return of Judi Dench.
    Agreed. Clean slate. Always thought carrying Dench over was technically a mistake, but I bought it as her playing a slightly different M just because she was so damn good.

    I didn't get the impression that the question posed by the topic meant continuity with previous incarnations, including Craig's: I took it as meaning should the films of the next era be linked by recurring story elements and characters or should each film be a stand alone story unrelated to the previous film
  • George_KaplanGeorge_Kaplan Not a red herring
    edited August 2023 Posts: 567
    CrabKey wrote: »
    CrabKey wrote: »
    Nor do I want to entertain the idea that the new Bond will be the Bond who eventually becomes Craig along the lines of Endeavour becomes Morse.

    I initially thought Craig was supposed to be the Bond who eventually becomes the character from the first 20 films. I don't know how much further back we can go without ruining the character's mystery.

    Did those first 20 films come between QoS and SF?

    Clearly not when they reintroduced Blofeld and SPECTRE. But I assumed CR and QOS were about Craig's Bond becoming the character we'd known since the beginning, so I don't know what could be gained by going even further back.
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
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    Plus you have Bond meeting Leiter for the first time in both DN and CR. First indicator that it's a different timeline.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    To get back to the original question, stand alone.
    Look at the convoluted mess Craig's era ended in. CR into QOS (I actually liked that), then SF into SP (although I personally actually enjoyed the mess that was SP) into NTTD (in which there was indeed TTD). In the OLD DAYS a Bond movie could do a call back (OHMSS, FYEO, GE) without needing to do a WHOLE MOVIE dwelling on, or trying to be rooted in it.
  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
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    talos7 wrote: »
    chrisisall wrote: »
    CrabKey wrote: »
    With Craig's Bond dead, establishing any sort of continuity between the next Bond and anything to do with the Craig series will venture into the realms of science fiction and fantasy. As much as I liked Craig's supporting cast, I don't want to see any of those people back, as in the return of Judi Dench.
    Agreed. Clean slate. Always thought carrying Dench over was technically a mistake, but I bought it as her playing a slightly different M just because she was so damn good.

    I didn't get the impression that the question posed by the topic meant continuity with previous incarnations, including Craig's: I took it as meaning should the films of the next era be linked by recurring story elements and characters or should each film be a stand alone story unrelated to the previous film

    Quite right @talos7 I meant that the next set of films be a continuity like Craig's or more of the traditional EON approach to the first 20 films. That is the question, not a debate or discussion on who is in a continuity or whether Craig's continuity layers into the first 20 films.
  • George_KaplanGeorge_Kaplan Not a red herring
    edited August 2023 Posts: 567
    I'm sorry if I confused things. I wasn't trying to start a debate about how Craig's films fit with the continuity of the rest of the series, I was just agreeing with @CrabKey about not wanting the new Bond to be the Bond "who eventually becomes Craig."
  • edited August 2023 Posts: 565
    Connery-era standalone. Can be loosely connected, but not needing each film relying on another's events/storyline. I don't mind little nods like the beginning of DAF, or connecting them via a SPECTRE like agency. I also think having little inconsequential moments building on past ones between recurring characters could be interesting (ie. "Don't touch your ear").

    IMO, they horribly failed with the Craig arc continuity and unless the continuity is really, really, REALLY well thought out, I just rather not.
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    talos7 wrote: »
    chrisisall wrote: »
    CrabKey wrote: »
    With Craig's Bond dead, establishing any sort of continuity between the next Bond and anything to do with the Craig series will venture into the realms of science fiction and fantasy. As much as I liked Craig's supporting cast, I don't want to see any of those people back, as in the return of Judi Dench.
    Agreed. Clean slate. Always thought carrying Dench over was technically a mistake, but I bought it as her playing a slightly different M just because she was so damn good.

    I didn't get the impression that the question posed by the topic meant continuity with previous incarnations, including Craig's: I took it as meaning should the films of the next era be linked by recurring story elements and characters or should each film be a stand alone story unrelated to the previous film

    Yes, new films that only reference themselves and not previous films. That's how I read it as well.
  • edited August 2023 Posts: 2,985
    I'll be annoying and say I'd like stand alone missions but within a Bond era that has a sense of continuity. Much like the Fleming novels or the first Connery movies.
  • Jordo007Jordo007 Merseyside
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    I'd prefer stand alone, but for the films to have links. Like how Dr No is mentioned in From Russia With Love.

    I like the continuity idea with Craig era but they retconned it to death by the end, everybody Bond met had a connection to his past or a connection to a person in his life, his world felt so small by NTTD.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    A little of both. I would have loved to see Anya back in AVTAK or Wai Lin in DAD just to keep some sort of individual actor continuity. I enjoyed the Craig era. But I don't want another version of it again.

    I must admit the idea of having an ex main Bond girl appear as a secondary character doesn't really appeal to me and I'm kind of glad they didn't. It would sort of underline that James is done with her now and has moved onto the next one, and feels like a demotion in a way.
    FoxRox wrote: »
    Standalone. But I wish that EON had held off on using SPECTRE & Blofeld, and instead drip-feed them into the next actors era, increasing their presence more with each film. Oh well, it doesn't matter now.

    This. SPECTRE was the big, #1 issue with the Craig era for me. They should have waited to carefully construct an arc with them for the start of the next era and left Craig's alone instead of trying to unconvincingly explain away they had been responsible for everything.

    I don't think there's much point in deferred pleasure: if you've got a big cool toy then get it out now, there's no point in waiting for ten years.
    007HallY wrote: »
    I'll be annoying and say I'd like stand alone missions but within a Bond era that has a sense of continuity. Much like the Fleming novels or the first Connery movies.

    Yeah I think that's what we'll get, and it's what we have been getting as well: maybe QoS was the only one you really need to have seen the previous one to follow but even that wouldn't have been hard to pick up if you hadn't.
  • PrinceKamalKhanPrinceKamalKhan Monsoon Palace, Udaipur
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    delfloria wrote: »
    Stand alone because they don't do arcs well. Call backs are fine but the main plot should not hinge on the previous episode.

    +1
    talos7 wrote: »
    I wouldn't mind a certain amount of continuity within the framework of a series of stand alone adventures; but I don't want to see a series of five films that continue the same storyline.

    If there is a certain amount of continuity I hope that it well thought out and not retconned to force a plot element

    Exactly. CR'06 is a near excellent standalone Bond film but I wish the same attention to care and quality that EON put into Craig's debut film had been used in its sequels. Instead of being a well thought out multi-film arc it went from a terrific start into a "let's make things up as we go along" disappointment. So standalone with a certain amount of continuity like the Connery/Lazenby era works for me.


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    mtm wrote: »
    They never did that though.

    That's the thing. Personally, I think there should be a certain level of continuity between movies: recurring characters (not only MI6 staff), gadgets, references to previous movies, ideally a recurring villain. Bond should not live in a vacuum, taken out every time he has a mission.

    Also, regardless of one's preferences, continuity is pretty much the norm now for every franchise, whether for movies or TV series. Bottle shows are now the exception.
  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
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    Good stuff and passion from both sides! I lean towards continuity as long as the story is planned in advance and followed through with.

    Okay time for another one!

    Would you rather the next film have a femme fatale OR a return of a creative hulking henchman?

    By my count the last true femme fatale was in TWINE with Electra King and before her Xenia Onnatopp. I always thought that it was a good idea to have an evil female batter Bond. The sexual tension, the back and forth dialogue it usually adds up to a memorable character for Bond to battle.

    The creative hulking henchman was last used in SP when Hinx showed up and made life terrible for James. I always enjoyed Bond having to use his wits to battle a physically superior opponent. OddJob, Jaws come to mind in this category.

    So for the next film which would you rather see a femme fatale or a hulking henchman?
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    Both…..
  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
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    talos7 wrote: »
    Both…..

    This is would you rather! LOL!

    What would you rather?
  • Posts: 12,281
    Hulking henchman to compliment a MAIN female villain for a change.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    thedove wrote: »
    talos7 wrote: »
    Both…..

    This is would you rather! LOL!

    What would you rather?

    Can you not read? Both.
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    I'd say henchman. I think femmes fatales are often misused, both in Bond films and in movies in general. Too often people think a femme fatale is a fighter or soje kind of elite action oriented assassin. I think the last great one might have been Fiona Volpe. Xenia Onatopp was too much of a caricature and Elektra was uneven. Too often henchmen were poor man's Red Grant, yet there's room for creativity and they mess them up less often.
  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
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    talos7 wrote: »
    thedove wrote: »
    talos7 wrote: »
    Both…..

    This is would you rather! LOL!

    What would you rather?

    Can you not read? Both.

    I can read otherwise I wouldn't have commented. You are supposed to pick which one you would rather. But we have members that straddle the line and say both! I always try to encourage people to pick! I will respect you saying both!
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
    edited August 2023 Posts: 7,999
    thedove wrote: »
    talos7 wrote: »
    thedove wrote: »
    talos7 wrote: »
    Both…..

    This is would you rather! LOL!

    What would you rather?

    Can you not read? Both.

    I can read otherwise I wouldn't have commented. You are supposed to pick which one you would rather. But we have members that straddle the line and say both! I always try to encourage people to pick! I will respect you saying both!
    .


    I would love to see a capable female villain who works with an imposing male henchman as a team.

    I answered the way I felt. You are being anal and demanding that I reply in a certain way. I really couldn’t care less about meeting your expectations . Loosen up .

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