Richard Johnson as Sapper's Bulldog Drummond in "Deadlier Than The Male"

PrinceKamalKhanPrinceKamalKhan Monsoon Palace, Udaipur
edited December 2011 in General Movies & TV Posts: 3,262
Richard Johnson was a contender for the role of Bond back in 1961. He later got his chance to play Sapper's Bulldog Drummond(an inspiration for Ian Fleming when he wrote Bond) in one of the best 1960s Bond spinoffs, "Deadlier Than The Male":















Here's a good article on the film-

http://doubleosection.blogspot.com/2009/01/movie-review-deadlier-than-male.html

and the original trailer-



Bond series vets Milton Reid(Sandor in TSWLM), Laurence Naismith(Sir Donald Munger in DAF) and Virginia North(Olympe in OHMSS) are in the film also.

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  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
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    Johnson would have made a cracking Bond for the late 60's and early 70's (in my Bond timeline: 1964 - 1972). Let's not forget DEADLIER also starred Elke Sommer. :x
  • PrinceKamalKhanPrinceKamalKhan Monsoon Palace, Udaipur
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    Let's not forget DEADLIER also starred Elke Sommer. :x

    Indeed. She does very well as Irma Eckman, a combination of Fiona Volpe and Honey Ryder.

    Miss Sommer and Nigel Green would reteam 2 years later in similar roles in another Bond spinoff, the Dean Martin/Matt Helm spoof "The Wrecking Crew"



  • edited December 2011 Posts: 4,622
    Wow, the opening 10 minutes are riveting. That's as close to 60's Bond as I' ve seen. Moreso than either Flint or Helm which although highly entertaining, are essentially spoofs. DTTM has more of the Bond real-danger element. Johnson as Drummond is very Bond-like. After the girls do their thing, the scene with Drummond, Naismith and the secretary is reminiscent of Bond, M and MP.
    This movie is so good, I may get off my wallet and spring for the dvd.
    Are there other Johnson-as-Drummond films?
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
    edited December 2011 Posts: 13,894
    Johnson did return as Drummond in Some Girls Do. I didn't think it was quite as good as DTTM, but everyone is different. You can get both films in a double pack, but as far as I am aware, it's only available on UK R2.

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  • edited December 2011 Posts: 4,622
    Thanks Major. I got to get my paws on that twin bill. You are right though. The 2-pak is only available here on Region 2, which means one would need an all-region player. DTTM however is available as a single-release dvd, region 1, but the sequel is only available via amazon-USA on region 2, as part of the two pak. Amazon Canada only carries DTTM.
    I may have to buy a multi-region player as the Complete Avengers TV set, released this year, is only available in Region 2, as well.
    Maybe someone will put Some Girls Do, up on you-tube!
  • PrinceKamalKhanPrinceKamalKhan Monsoon Palace, Udaipur
    edited December 2011 Posts: 3,262
    timmer wrote:
    Wow, the opening 10 minutes are riveting. That's as close to 60's Bond as I' ve seen. Moreso than either Flint or Helm which although highly entertaining, are essentially spoofs. DTTM has more of the Bond real-danger element. Johnson as Drummond is very Bond-like. After the girls do their thing, the scene with Drummond, Naismith and the secretary is reminiscent of Bond, M and MP.

    Indeed. It was also shot at Pinewood Studios, thus adding to the Bond-like feel of the film. Try to imagine Connery as Drummond with Karin Dor and Luciana Paluzzi as the tag team hitwomen squad. The post-credits with Misses Sommer and Koscina emerging from the water seems like a combined homage to both Ursula Andress and TB.
    timmer wrote:
    This movie is so good, I may get off my wallet and spring for the dvd.

    It's worth it. Someone has uploaded the 1929 Ronald Colman early talkie take on Sapper's detective hero:



    Bulldog-Drummond-1929.jpg


  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    Didn't Bulldog Drummond appear in The Strand after the Doyle Sherlock Holmes stories stopped featuring? I believe it was the time between "The Final Problem" and "The Empty House".
  • PrinceKamalKhanPrinceKamalKhan Monsoon Palace, Udaipur
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    Didn't Bulldog Drummond appear in The Strand after the Doyle Sherlock Holmes stories stopped featuring? I believe it was the time between "The Final Problem" and "The Empty House".

    Could be. According to this article, BD did appear in The Strand:

    http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/1688678/Bulldog-Drummond

    "Deadlier Than The Male" is back up on youtube again in full:



    So is the dismal, series-ending sequel for anyone who's interested:



    The best line is in the trailer:

  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
    edited October 2012 Posts: 28,694
    Didn't Bulldog Drummond appear in The Strand after the Doyle Sherlock Holmes stories stopped featuring? I believe it was the time between "The Final Problem" and "The Empty House".

    Could be. According to this article, BD did appear in The Strand:

    http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/1688678/Bulldog-Drummond

    "Deadlier Than The Male" is back up on youtube again in full:



    So is the dismal, series-ending sequel for anyone who's interested:



    The best line is in the trailer:


    I think Drummond was the filler for The Strand when Conan Doyle "killed off" my dear Holmes. Thank you kindly for the links @PPK.
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
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    So is the dismal, series-ending sequel for anyone who's interested

    Was there talk of a 3rd film? If so, it's a big shame that didn't happen. I know Johnson turned Bond down on the grounds of not wanting to be tied into a contract. But given how there was a 3 year gap between DTTM & SGD, I could picture Johnson making two more Drummond films in 1972 & 1975.
  • PrinceKamalKhanPrinceKamalKhan Monsoon Palace, Udaipur
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    So is the dismal, series-ending sequel for anyone who's interested

    Was there talk of a 3rd film?

    Don't know if there was or there wasn't. I'm assuming the positive results of DTTM caused Rank to produce SGD while the less-than-positive results of SGD caused Rank to stop.
    If so, it's a big shame that didn't happen. I know Johnson turned Bond down on the grounds of not wanting to be tied into a contract. But given how there was a 3 year gap between DTTM & SGD, I could picture Johnson making two more Drummond films in 1972 & 1975.

    If they had turned out like DTTM, I'd be all for it. I watched DTTM again the night before last and thoroughly enjoyed it.
  • PrinceKamalKhanPrinceKamalKhan Monsoon Palace, Udaipur
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    Since DTTM is back up on youtube and since I want to encourage more Bond fans to see both my and MajorDSmythe's pick for the best of the Bond spinoffs, here's the link-



    Also, here are 2 more reviews I've found for it-

    http://forgottenfilmcast.wordpress.com/2013/01/28/deadlier-than-the-male/

    http://thestalkingmoon.weebly.com/5/post/2013/07/deadlier-than-the-male-1967.html
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    I gotta see this movie now...
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    It's a cosy and charming film IMO but nothing too brilliant or even good. In the end, it was a sort of attempt at duplicating the success of the Bond films with a similar formula but it lacked in almost every department. The plot is very thin, the level of action and excitement fairly low and even the jokes only work in a minor few occasions. Though I'm always game for a lovely 60s spy film, I can't help being slightly underwhelmed by Deadlier Than The Male. I will give its sequel a try soon though.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    DarthDimi wrote:
    It's a cosy and charming film IMO but nothing too brilliant or even good. In the end, it was a sort of attempt at duplicating the success of the Bond films with a similar formula but it lacked in almost every department.
    But DD, how does it measure up to say Flint or Helm?
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    IMO, the first Flint film is better than DTTM. The second is an insult. I have yet to see the Helm films.

    My problem with DTTM is that it tries hard to mimic Bond even though its source material is nothing like that, yet when it could become really funny or OTT, it pulls back. Either you go all the way, or you try to build your own more or less serious franchise. DTTM struggles with its identity and its ambitions.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
    edited September 2013 Posts: 17,691
    DarthDimi wrote:
    My problem with DTTM is that it tries hard to mimic Bond even though its source material is nothing like that, yet when it could become really funny or OTT, it pulls back. Either you go all the way, or you try to build your own more or less serious franchise. DTTM struggles with its identity and its ambitions.
    I just watched it all- I'm in agreement with you DD. Not serious enough for a Bond clone, not funny enough for a Flint-like spoof.
    I'm betting that the sequel is vastly more fun given the lighter touch I've read about it.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    I have gotten my hands on it, just to give it a try very soon. ;-) And you stated exactly what I meant, @chrisisall. :-)
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
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    I would have to disagree with the previous posts. Deadlier Than The Male sits comfortably between the two polar tones, the same can't be said of Some Girls Do, which doesn't quite get the balance right.

    The Flint films weren't that memorable, imo, and the Helm films were too campy foor my tastes. Also if you're going to bring up the fact that the 1960's Drummond films were nothing like their source materiel, then the same can be said of the Matt Helm films. They also were nothing like the Matt Helm books written by Donald Hamilton.

    Though I do want to pick up a copy of The Wrecking Crew on DVD, for Elke Sommer, I just don't want the other films. Unfortunately, I think it's only available in the Matt Helm Lounge set. :-?
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
    edited September 2013 Posts: 17,691
    The Flint films weren't that memorable, imo,
    I found both to be great fun, and very memorable (Mostly due to Coburn & Jerry Goldsmith, admittedly).
    "An anti-American eagle? That's diabolical."
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
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    I have them both on dvd, and they don't sick out in my mind amongst the many 1960's spy films. It's horses for courses, I love Deadlier Than The Male, which in my mind has what it would take to go toe-to-toe with even my favourite Bond film.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    I love Deadlier Than The Male, which in my mind has what it would take to go toe-to-toe with even my favourite Bond film.
    Let me sort it:
    The negatives for me-
    The story seemed thin to me, as if it were being made up as they went along. It was like a bunch of set pieces loosely strung together.
    The music was *meh* IMO. There were many good moments, but overall it was no better than standard TV show music of the day.
    The photography was also pretty standard, better than, say, The Man From UNCLE, but nowhere near as lush as a 60's Bond film, and the camera movement was uninspired.
    The positives for me-
    Richard Johnson was great. I could easily see him as Bond. His lines weren't all that good, but he did a lot with a little.
    Bikinis. "Nuff said.
    The film had a lot of energy.
    Really tight bikinis.
    The chess match at the end was pretty excellent.
  • edited September 2013 Posts: 820
    I saw the movie. I notice like The Saint a few actor played. But like Roger Moore was good in The Saint & few roles Richard Johnson was the best as Bulldoy Drummond. I don't expect a return to movies or TV series who can play him today no-one.
  • PrinceKamalKhanPrinceKamalKhan Monsoon Palace, Udaipur
    edited September 2013 Posts: 3,262
    timmer wrote:
    Wow, the opening 10 minutes are riveting. That's as close to 60's Bond as I' ve seen. Moreso than either Flint or Helm which although highly entertaining, are essentially spoofs. DTTM has more of the Bond real-danger element. Johnson as Drummond is very Bond-like. After the girls do their thing, the scene with Drummond, Naismith and the secretary is reminiscent of Bond, M and MP.?

    Ditto.
    I would have to disagree with the previous posts. Deadlier Than The Male sits comfortably between the two polar tones, the same can't be said of Some Girls Do, which doesn't quite get the balance right.

    Another ditto. I like how the Double 0 Section Review put it:


    "Deadlier Than the Male, a Bond-age update of Bulldog Drummond (its title inspired by the Drummond novel The Female of the Species), is my very favorite non-Bond spy movie. (And, as should be evidenced by this blog, I love spy movies!) It’s the best Bond knock-off ever, better than all its Eurospy ilk (enjoyable as they may be), and better even than its more famous Hollywood counterparts like the Flint movies. Of all the imitators 007 spawned in the 1960s, Deadlier Than the Male is the only one that can really go toe-to-toe with Bond.

    "Of course, even if the toes match, it only gets up to about Connery’s bow tie in production values. The Bond movies were so far ahead of anything else of their era, budget-wise and effects-wise, that all imitators pale in comparison. But of those imitators (and there were many), Deadlier Than the Male comes closest. Even on a relatively large budget for its genre, it can’t duplicate Thunderball’s underwater spectacle or You Only Live Twice’s volcano base, but it does manage to duplicate the style, the glamor and–most importantly–the wry tone of the Bond movies–thanks to the winning team of director Ralf Thomas, producer Betty Box and screenwriters David Osborn, Liz Charles-Williams and Jimmy Sangster (a Hammer stalwart). Other spoofs fell short because they attempted to lampoon what was already tongue-in-cheek (even at that stage), but Deadlier Than the Male manages the same level of playful self-parody that Goldfinger achieves. It’s sheer fun."
    Though I do want to pick up a copy of The Wrecking Crew on DVD, for Elke Sommer, I just don't want the other films. Unfortunately, I think it's only available in the Matt Helm Lounge set. :-?

    Maybe. Elke Sommer and Nigel Green reteam playing similar roles to their DTTM characters but the film itself is not as good. My favorite in TWC is actually Nancy Kwan. Sidenote: Bruce Lee served as karate advisor on it and Chuck Norris made his film debut in a small role.
    chrisisall wrote:
    I found both to be great fun, and very memorable (Mostly due to Coburn & Jerry Goldsmith, admittedly).
    "An anti-American eagle? That's diabolical."

    If DTTM wins my gold medal for 1960s Bond knockoffs, then both Flint films share the silver. I'm quite fond of both of them. OMF was my favorite of the 2 as a child but as I've matured, I really like the conspiracy theory plot of ILF a lot more.
    chrisisall wrote:
    I'm betting that the sequel is vastly more fun given the lighter touch I've read about it.

    Don't bet too much. SGD is so campy it makes the Matt Helm films look like "From Russia With Love" by comparison. It tends to go into CR'67 style territory. Maybe that's why they cast Daliah Lavi(CR's the Detainer) in it?
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
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    I really need to get these two films on DVD as I've always wanted to see them. I'll tie a ribbon around my finger to remind myself.
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