Pierce Brosnan: "Daniel Craig is One Great Bond"

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  • Posts: 11,189
    The last Bourne had a sequence in Waterloo station. A place I know well and a place "loved" by many English folk.
  • edited December 2011 Posts: 7,653
    BAIN123 wrote:
    The last Bourne had a sequence in Waterloo station. A place I know well and a place "loved" by many English folk.

    And that was a very well made sequence, superiour to anything in QoS. Imho.

    While I enjoyed the Bourne Identity which had a freshness about it the later two movies were a bit too much shakycam for my stomach. But there were well thought out spy moments.
    I still have a weak spot for the Bourne identity with Smith & Chamberlain in a mini-series, have the thing on dvd.

    James Bond will always be measured with other series. Simply because they sometimes so blantently steal stuff, or borrow stuff. In the case of Bourne I'd say that the Bourne series did it far better than Bond did. But again my humble opinion.

  • SaintMark wrote:
    BAIN123 wrote:
    The last Bourne had a sequence in Waterloo station. A place I know well and a place "loved" by many English folk.

    And that was a very well made sequence, superiour to anything in QoS. Imho




    And so it begins again aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah.
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
    edited December 2011 Posts: 15,686
    Well forgotmyusername, if Bourne hadn't been a critical hit in 2002 and 2004, you can bet your house the Bond franchise would not have been rebooted, just toned down, a-la MR to FYEO, and Brosnan would have made a 5th film... And the series would probably have kept a much bigger sense of fun and humour, but toned down after DAD.
  • True, PB in CR served straight up with twist?

  • Posts: 1,052
    Is Pierce Brosnan the new hate figure of the franchise, has he taken Roger Moore's place as the whipping boy?
  • Posts: 11,189
    Is Pierce Brosnan the new hate figure of the franchise, has he taken Roger Moore's place as the whipping boy?

    In a word, yes!

  • 002002
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    Well forgotmyusername, if Bourne hadn't been a critical hit in 2002 and 2004, you can bet your house the Bond franchise would not have been rebooted, just toned down, a-la MR to FYEO, and Brosnan would have made a 5th film... And the series would probably have kept a much bigger sense of fun and humour, but toned down after DAD.

    oh man if only i could go to an alternative universe and get the dvds :)
  • edited December 2011 Posts: 7,653
    BAIN123 wrote:
    Is Pierce Brosnan the new hate figure of the franchise, has he taken Roger Moore's place as the whipping boy?

    In a word, yes!

    By certain folk that need such a figure, regrettably so. The rest of more level headed folks recognize the imput that PB has brought and don't confuse that with other performers that have their own strengths and weaknesses.
  • edited December 2011 Posts: 11,189
    I must confess judging by some of the comments made on here you'd think he was always universally hated by everyone. Not true. Both fans and non-fans seemed to love him at the time. At least that's how I recall it. Here's what Graham Rye, editor of one of the longest serving 007 magazines had to say after DAD:

    “Caricature is the tribute that mediocrity pays to genius.”–this Oscar Wilde quote just about sums up the current state of affairs for me. Anyone reading my article in OO7 Magazine (#41) will know exactly what I thought about Die Another Day, which I don’t want to labour here—but for me it’s still the worst movie in the series!

    "I like Pierce Brosnan as James Bond. He’s got all the right qualities a good Bond should have: he’s tall dark and handsome, he handles the humour well, he’s believable in the action scenes—and the cinema-going public love him! Unfortunately I don’t think the films measure up to his ability as an actor to do something more with the role than he’s been allowed to show to date. In GoldenEye, a colourless drab looking film, he was given little to do except react to the other characters and situations around him. Tomorrow Never Dies was his finest hour as Bond, and I do mean hour. The first half of the movie is the best Brosnan/Bond to date, with some nice Bondian touches, up until the model of his BMW crashes off the hotel roof through a flurry of polystyrene bricks, then the film just simply rambles until it falls apart. I thoroughly enjoyed The World Is Not Enough, which had the best narrative structure of all the Brosnan/Bond films, and the story unfolded much more in the style of a Sixties’ Bond. Although the film is uneven, it’s about 200% better than the dire Die Another Day—quasi science fiction badly executed and acted by everyone but Brosnan."
  • Posts: 140
    Yes, after Casino Royale came out the lynch mob went after him. I think it is changing a bit now. Also, the general, unwashed public have never turned against him and many still picture him as Bond.
  • edited December 2011 Posts: 11,189
    His films are still on tv pretty regularly here in the UK. GE was on last week and TND is on this Thursday.
  • Posts: 7,653
    Grant wrote:
    Yes, after Casino Royale came out the lynch mob went after him. I think it is changing a bit now. Also, the general, unwashed public have never turned against him and many still picture him as Bond.

    Was that simply a reflex after all the shyte DC got thrown at him before CR came out?- Had CR bombed most folks would have claimed that PB still had one good 007 tale left in him?



  • Lets just say Craig is a different Bond. He has morphed into a new persona. You can't compare each Bond as they are seperate units. Bond 007 is a job that several have stepped into. There wil be others.
  • edited June 2012 Posts: 3,494
    If a film has any kind of "spy" element to it and is successful then comparisons with Bond always come up - in fact, the producers often start the comparisons before the premiere as a way of generating interest. We've seen this happen over the past 20 or so years with True Lies, xXx, Bourne, etc. I daresay that every ten years there will be another film or series compared to Bond and described as better/more relevant. But as JBFan626 says how many of them will be well known 50 years later?

    Another excellent and insightful post from you Lord FH. I've seen the media doing the same stuff since I could remember. Anything "spy" is automatically compared to Bond, that is so true. And why not? 50 years later, the series still stands, and I have not seen this level of popularity since Sir Sean's days. We've got a commercial for "Gold Bond" powder going now with "Jimmy Bond" as the representative. We'll see a lot more homages paid on the way to SkyFall especially with all the hype going on. Matter of fact, a lot of Bond references creep in any time a new Bond film is on the way.

    As to Pierce, the general public is much more accepting of him as Bond than many here. We are a hardcore minority here, a small cross section, so small that I doubt EON bases any decision on that. I know many people who really like Pierce.

    Matt Damon, as my British cousins would say, is a wanker for saying what he did. But maybe only on the surface. Yes he did slag off the series, but that creates hype for Bourne. Let's see if Bourne can survive without him, let alone after 50 years. I won't be around to see it, but I'd bet Bond will still be around long after. Bond is iconic, Bourne is not. Believe me, most Americans know Bond is the superior product.




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    Matt Damon, as my British cousins would say, is a wanker for saying what he did. But maybe only on the surface. Yes he did slag off the series, but that creates hype for Bourne. Let's see if Bourne can survive without him, l

    He really pissed me off with that. I hadn't seen the Bourne franchise and hadn't paid it much attention but his slander worked - I perked up and noticed which is what he wanted. It wasn't just him. It was Paul Greengrass and the girl who is in that film. The whole promotion of that film was geared towards cussing Bond and bigging up their film.

    To their credit, Eon held their fire and bit their tongues. They knew they had a better product and Bourne was of a long line of imitators. A gnat to their buffalo.

    As for Pierce loving Dan?

    Well, who can blame him? I will pay him him another compliment - in that, the man has taste.
  • Posts: 1,548
    Pierce Brosnan: "Daniel Craig is One Great Bond...to be compared too because I make him look like a wooden chair'

    Too true ! =))

    Mcfly, hello? I think Brosnan was infering that he's the wooden chair. DC would kick his arse

  • Posts: 612
    LeChiffre wrote:
    Pierce Brosnan: "Daniel Craig is One Great Bond...to be compared too because I make him look like a wooden chair'

    Too true ! =))

    Mcfly, hello? I think Brosnan was infering that he's the wooden chair. DC would kick his arse

    Craig may be a wooden chair, but Brosnan is a bottle of hair gel. Useless.
  • Posts: 7,653
    Daniel Craig is one Great Bond is true, one of 6 great James Bonds. O:-)
  • Posts: 2,341
    Samuel001 wrote:
    Add to that, Brosnan may feel at last EON are willing to stand up against the other films of today and not play it safe, like Brosnan may feel they did with him. I do, for one feel that way.

    Or maybe I've read far too deeply into a two sentence response.

    I couldn't agree more.

    As for Brosnan being the whipping boy (replacing Moore) that is true too. Time has not been kind to the Brosnan era...

  • Posts: 11,189
    OHMSS69 wrote:
    Samuel001 wrote:
    Add to that, Brosnan may feel at last EON are willing to stand up against the other films of today and not play it safe, like Brosnan may feel they did with him. I do, for one feel that way.

    Or maybe I've read far too deeply into a two sentence response.

    I couldn't agree more.

    As for Brosnan being the whipping boy (replacing Moore) that is true too. Time has not been kind to the Brosnan era...

    Amongst the hard-core Bond fans like us thats true but I still think, amongst the wider public/more casual fans, Broz is still the preferred Bond by and large.
  • Posts: 2,341
    @Bain123
    You right. I guess old Desmond summed it up. Everyone's favorite Bond is the first one they saw in the theater. Most of the afficiondos on this board came along during the Brosnan years so to them Yes, is the alpha and Omega. But for oldsters like us: he pales in comparison...
  • edited June 2012 Posts: 11,189
    OHMSS69 wrote:
    @Bain123
    You right. I guess old Desmond summed it up. Everyone's favorite Bond is the first one they saw in the theater. Most of the afficiondos on this board came along during the Brosnan years so to them Yes, is the alpha and Omega. But for oldsters like us: he pales in comparison...

    Well for me the first Bond film I ever saw was GE and the first one I saw in the cinema was TND - make your own conclusions.

    Desmond is partly right - I don't consider Pierce the best (anymore) but for me watching him often feels like watching an old friend - that bloke was an idol growing up and watching the likes of Connery/Moore alongside didn't change a thing at the time (god I'm sentimental).
  • edited June 2012 Posts: 12,837
    actonsteve wrote:
    [q
    Matt Damon, as my British cousins would say, is a wanker for saying what he did. But maybe only on the surface. Yes he did slag off the series, but that creates hype for Bourne. Let's see if Bourne can survive without him, l

    He really pissed me off with that. I hadn't seen the Bourne franchise and hadn't paid it much attention but his slander worked - I perked up and noticed which is what he wanted. It wasn't just him. It was Paul Greengrass and the girl who is in that film. The whole promotion of that film was geared towards cussing Bond and bigging up their film.

    To their credit, Eon held their fire and bit their tongues. They knew they had a better product and Bourne was of a long line of imitators. A gnat to their buffalo.

    As for Pierce loving Dan?

    Well, who can blame him? I will pay him him another compliment - in that, the man has taste.

    @actonsteve I'm sorry, but saying Bourne copies Bond is just as stupid as saying Bond copies Bourne. Neither imitate the other, both are different and both can be enjoyed. I get sick of saying that. And how can you say that Bourne imitates Bond when you've admitted that you haven't seen the films?
    OHMSS69 wrote:
    @Bain123
    You right. I guess old Desmond summed it up. Everyone's favorite Bond is the first one they saw in the theater. Most of the afficiondos on this board came along during the Brosnan years so to them Yes, is the alpha and Omega. But for oldsters like us: he pales in comparison...

    For me that's true. Dalton was the first I saw and he's always been my favourite, but I like to think that he still would be even if I didn't see his films first.
  • Posts: 12,837
    LeChiffre wrote:
    Pierce Brosnan: "Daniel Craig is One Great Bond...to be compared too because I make him look like a wooden chair'

    Too true ! =))

    Mcfly, hello? I think Brosnan was infering that he's the wooden chair. DC would kick his arse

    Nah. Brosnan is better :P
  • edited June 2012 Posts: 11,189
    LeChiffre wrote:
    Pierce Brosnan: "Daniel Craig is One Great Bond...to be compared too because I make him look like a wooden chair'

    Too true ! =))

    Mcfly, hello? I think Brosnan was infering that he's the wooden chair. DC would kick his arse

    Nah. Brosnan is better :P

    Hmm...I was a Brosnan era bloke but as much as I love him (metaphorically) Craig is probably better. More compelling, more physical, more rutheless yet just as charming.

    Brosnan was the Bond that started it all though so I can't dislike him.
  • Posts: 12,837
    BAIN123 wrote:
    LeChiffre wrote:
    Pierce Brosnan: "Daniel Craig is One Great Bond...to be compared too because I make him look like a wooden chair'

    Too true ! =))

    Mcfly, hello? I think Brosnan was infering that he's the wooden chair. DC would kick his arse

    Nah. Brosnan is better :P

    Hmm...I was a Brosnan era bloke but as much as I love him (metaphorically) Craig is probably better. More compelling, more physical, more rutheless yet just as charming.

    Brosnan was the Bond that started it all though so I can't dislike him.

    Thanks to QOS I sort of have mixed feelings on Craig (although he was one of the films strong points), I'm hoping SF will change that.

    Brosnan, I thought, was the perfect follow up to Dalton, because he was almost as good. I'd been waiting for a new Bond film for years and when I heard on TV about GE, I was disappointed at first because Dalton wasn't in it, but Brosnan changed my mind. He was not as good as Dalton (imo) but I loved his Bond and his 1st 3 films. I had great fun going to see them at the cinema with my mates.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
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    Brosnan was a fine Bond (and I say that when Sean was my first Bond). Yet again many on here jump at the chance to denigrate him. Like I am sure they did to Moore before.
    Pity.

    I love Craig's Bond, Dalton's Bond, and Pierce's Bond because I appreciate what they brought to the role and I enjoyed most of their films a lot. I grew up with Sean and Roger - love them, too. For me, 4 of the 6 Bonds had a clunker or two in the movies during their tenure (I am not a big fan of OHMSS and Dalton only had 2, but I like both). But c'est la vie; James Bond the character is my main man and I am not locked into one kind of portrayal. I do appreciate the different actors and I think all 5 of the 6 were fine actors.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    BAIN123 wrote:
    LeChiffre wrote:
    Pierce Brosnan: "Daniel Craig is One Great Bond...to be compared too because I make him look like a wooden chair'

    Too true ! =))

    Mcfly, hello? I think Brosnan was infering that he's the wooden chair. DC would kick his arse

    Nah. Brosnan is better :P

    Hmm...I was a Brosnan era bloke but as much as I love him (metaphorically) Craig is probably better. More compelling, more physical, more rutheless yet just as charming.

    Brosnan was the Bond that started it all though so I can't dislike him.

    Started what?!
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
    Posts: 12,459
    ... the ruthlessness? Well that was evident in the others; the more "realistic" take came in a bigger dose from Dalton first.
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