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  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy My Secret Lair
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    Agreed @ProfJoeButcher Spectre did make a bit less than Skyfall but it still made a very healthy profit.
  • Since62Since62
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    SP did not have the added expenses of carried financing during the interim post-production and pre-release, nor of unusually re-started advertising campaigns.
  • ProfJoeButcherProfJoeButcher Bless your heart
    edited August 2021 Posts: 1,691
    Since62 wrote: »
    SP did not have the added expenses of carried financing during the interim post-production and pre-release, nor of unusually re-started advertising campaigns.

    I barely know what that means!

    I was just going with the "number crunching" in the article. If you take the production budget, add $150-200 million for marketing, and then double that figure to get your break-even point, which is what they do for NTTD, then QOS certainly lost money, and SP probably did too. I'm just assuming that EON is not regularly losing money on the movies and then increasing the budget on the next one. This can't be a compete picture. The caveats at the bottom of the MI6 article (product placement deals, etc) are probably more important than they make them sound.

    But yeah, clearly, for a variety of reasons, NTTD is not in a good position to make its money back.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    No movie is in a good position.
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy My Secret Lair
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    No movie is going to do the business expected since the pandemic hit.
  • MalloryMallory Do mosquitoes have friends?
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    The Bond Experience interviews costume designer Lindy Hemming

  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy My Secret Lair
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    Screen Rant: James Bond: 10 Best Ernst Blofeld Quotes | ScreenRant.
    https://screenrant.com/james-bond-best-ernst-blofeld-quotes/
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    I would have included the line that compares the military powers with impotent beach boys.
  • ProfJoeButcherProfJoeButcher Bless your heart
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    MakeshiftPython wrote: »
    I would have included the line that compares the military powers with impotent beach boys.

    I love that the list includes my favorite Blofeld line ("I've really put you through it, haven't I?"), but it sure needs a hell of a lot more Charles Gray!
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    "Well, if we destroyed Kansas the world may not hear about it for years"
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
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    Not really a zinger but I've always liked the way the Charles Gray Blofeld says, "Put that back, Mr Bond. Immediately."

    It shows that delivery is everything, even with seemingly mundane lines like that.
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy My Secret Lair
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    " Showing a bit more cheek than usual " is one of my favourite lines from
    the series. :D
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
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    Thunderpussy wrote: »
    Screen Rant: James Bond: 10 Best Ernst Blofeld Quotes | ScreenRant.
    https://screenrant.com/james-bond-best-ernst-blofeld-quotes/
    This organization does not tolerate failure.

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  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy My Secret Lair
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    Express: James Bond auditions: Why was Daniel Craig chosen over Henry Cavill for Casino Royale?.
    https://www.express.co.uk/entertainment/films/1475109/James-Bond-auditions-Daniel-Craig-Henry-Cavill-Casino-Royale-Goran-Visnjic
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    I can’t imagine a 22 year old Cavill commanding the screen the way Craig did in CR.
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy My Secret Lair
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    Agreed, he may have been just a little too young, although the script was to show the beginning of Bond.
    I think he'd be a perfect fit for it now. ;)
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy My Secret Lair
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    I think fans are just anxious over the delay in seeing it, I'd expect more positive posts
    when it finally gets released.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    MakeshiftPython wrote: »
    I can’t imagine a 22 year old Cavill commanding the screen the way Craig did in CR.

    He would fit the script more (actually, it probably needs someone mid-late 20s really) but I can't see him commanding the screen the way Craig did even now he's 38 years old. He'd be fine, but not up to Craig standard.
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy My Secret Lair
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    Daily Mail: High-tech eco home named after Bond Skyfall movie goes on market for offers over £4m.
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9879625/High-tech-eco-home-named-Bond-Skyfall-movie-goes-market-offers-4m.html
  • Since62Since62
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    ProfJoeButcher wrote: »
    Since62 wrote: »
    SP did not have the added expenses of carried financing during the interim post-production and pre-release, nor of unusually re-started advertising campaigns.

    I barely know what that means!

    I was just going with the "number crunching" in the article. If you take the production budget, add $150-200 million for marketing, and then double that figure to get your break-even point, which is what they do for NTTD, then QOS certainly lost money, and SP probably did too. I'm just assuming that EON is not regularly losing money on the movies and then increasing the budget on the next one. This can't be a compete picture. The caveats at the bottom of the MI6 article (product placement deals, etc) are probably more important than they make them sound.

    But yeah, clearly, for a variety of reasons, NTTD is not in a good position to make its money back.

    It seems you do know what it means -- because you zeroed right in on the expense of marketing. In addition to marketing expenses, the financing on NTTD still costs the producers. Reports have stated this has been in the amount of $1m per month. As for the past four Bond films, reportedly they DID make money, even with the expenses of marketing figured in. The films prior to NTTD did not have to endure extended pre-release periods saddling them with continued pre-release financing expenses -- and I'm merely re-stating what I've seen published re: that financing expense increasing over time before the film brings revenue -- and the additional expense of paying for marketing multiple times.

    Certainly, producers and distributors and studios may regard the affected bunch of films as having been released in unusual circumstances, and still be willing to fund and make expensive movies in the future. But...as expensive ?

    It is not only the pandemic which affects movie-going. The following is anecdotal, but I think it is not unique. I observe that many younger folks prefer to watch films at home, on very large flat-screens with great sound -- even pre-pandemic -- and sometimes without paying, either. Besides the aspect of avoiding payment, they get to eat, drink, smoke and to pause the film whenever they like, and re-watch portions. Combined with an anticipated increase in the use of VR headsets -- which dilute the Group Experience of Cinema many have enjoyed over the years -- this does not bode well for the cinema business. Does this cover everyone ? No ! Of course not ! But one need not eliminate ALL the customers of a business in order to render it less and less profitable and less and less feasible.
  • ProfJoeButcherProfJoeButcher Bless your heart
    edited August 2021 Posts: 1,691
    @Since62 I didn't think I was disagreeing! Yeah, the pandemic has added to costs in more than one way and will also hurt their ability to earn their money back, no doubt.

    But the "number crunching" in the original MI6 article is nonsense. Their formula for calculating the break-even point, when applied to Spectre, indicates Spectre lost money or barely earned a profit. Yet later they say it had a 191% return on investment. Something's cranky there, without even getting into the $30-40 million in unexpected pandemic costs.

    Heineken, to name one company, apparently paid over $35 million to be in Skyfall. Significant financing is probably being left out of that click-bait article.
  • Since62Since62
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    Ah, I understand you better now. I breezed through that article.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    MakeshiftPython wrote: »
    I can’t imagine a 22 year old Cavill commanding the screen the way Craig did in CR.

    I think Cavill would have trouble out-acting the wax figure of Bond in TMWTGG.
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy My Secret Lair
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    :)) Very Funny @echo I don't share your opinion But I did get a laugh.
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy My Secret Lair
    edited August 2021 Posts: 13,384
    Robb Report: From Boat Chases to Helicopter Adventures: This James Bond Travel Experience Puts You Inside Your Own 007 Flick.
    https://robbreport.com/travel/destinations/james-bond-adventure-travel-package-1234628729/

    Screen Rant: Roger Moore's Bond Movies: 9 Things That Still Hold Up Today.
    https://screenrant.com/james-bond-roger-moore-movies-elements-hold-today/
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Thunderpussy wrote: »

    Screen Rant: Roger Moore's Bond Movies: 9 Things That Still Hold Up Today.
    https://screenrant.com/james-bond-roger-moore-movies-elements-hold-today/

    I can think of 7: Live and Let Die, The Man With the Golden Gun, The Spy Who Loved Me...
  • ProfJoeButcherProfJoeButcher Bless your heart
    Posts: 1,691
    mtm wrote: »
    Thunderpussy wrote: »

    Screen Rant: Roger Moore's Bond Movies: 9 Things That Still Hold Up Today.
    https://screenrant.com/james-bond-roger-moore-movies-elements-hold-today/

    I can think of 7: Live and Let Die, The Man With the Golden Gun, The Spy Who Loved Me...

    :x
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy My Secret Lair
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    :x Roger was MY Bond growing up.
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy My Secret Lair
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    Inverse: James Bond technology from 'Die Another Day' is now real.
    https://www.inverse.com/innovation/inverse-daily-august-11-2021
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy My Secret Lair
    edited August 2021 Posts: 13,384
    Screen Rant: Casino Royale Director Disappointed In Quantum of Solace & Spectre.
    https://screenrant.com/james-bond-quantum-solace-spectre-martin-campbell-response/

    Screen Rant: GoldenEye & Casino Royale Director Would Only Return For A New Bond Actor.
    https://screenrant.com/martin-campbell-bond-franchise-return-future-reaction/

    Insider: Henry Cavill said he was told he wasn't lean enough to play James Bond.
    https://www.insider.com/henry-cavill-was-told-wasnt-lean-enough-for-james-bond-2021-8

    Screen Rant: Casino Royale Director Shoots Down Long-Held Extended Cut Rumor.
    https://screenrant.com/casino-royale-martin-campbell-extended-cut-rumor-response/
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