Project 007 - IO Interactive - The New James Bond Video Game

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  • Posts: 8,691
    I am of two minds of this I wouldn’t mind various games based on the films but I prefer Original stories because it’s something new
  • Agent007391Agent007391 Up, Up, Down, Down, Left, Right, Left, Right, B, A, Start
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    I only want original games, no movie tie ins or adaptations. We have books that tell original stories, films that tell original stories, comics that tell original stories. The games have, for too long, been the little hanger on to the films. Even the original games are tied to the films be it by characters or the current Bond actor. They need to branch away and become their own.
  • DenbighDenbigh UK
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    I think after 007 Legends they will and are going to steer away from revisiting old stories. As they've already stated, this will be completely original.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Risico007 wrote: »
    I am of two minds of this I wouldn’t mind various games based on the films but I prefer Original stories because it’s something new

    Yeah I agree; we've been there and, to be honest, any attempt to revisit the older movies will come off badly in comparison.
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    It’s been a week and I still can’t believe it are we sure this isn’t a massive April fools day joke a few months late lol
  • HASEROTHASEROT has returned like the tedious inevitability of an unloved season---
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    It would be amazing if after this prequel vibe game, that IO Interactive and EON teamed to create video games starting with Dr. No and going through different cinematic adventures.

    Not as familiar with the Hitman series, but I understand it that they had different 'chapter' missions/episodes that were downloadable content to the main game. If they did that for the cinematic Bond films, to put us in that experience would be incredible.

    i think if they were going to adapt any material, then i say everything post-Fleming should be on the table.. i think Fleming has been mined for far too long in the film series. there isn't much left to draw from that well anymore, unless you just simply rehash the plots with new villains and etc. .... now, while the works of the post Fleming authors often pales in comparison, i think there are some nuggets of gold sprinkled throughout the runs of Gardner and Benson to pull from (should they choose too).. i dont think they need to go 100% adaptations - because these will be videogames after all, and often times, mediums don't crossover well when 100% translated, some cutting, molding, and bending will need to be required lol - and lets face it, as ridiculous as Fleming got in certain aspects, Gardner was like, "hold my beer" :))

    as of right now though, i will trust whatever direction they decide to go in......... as long as Bruce Feirstein stays a freakin' country mile away from the project... to be fair, the shortcomings of the most recent Bond games weren't entirely his fault, and he contributed to the success of games like Everything Or Nothing, From Russia With Love and Blood Stone.. but in a "what have you done for me lately" attitude i have towards him - he was nominated for a writing award for 007 Legends.. which - anyone who has played that game knows that in terms of writing, he seemed to be asleep at the wheel on that one.. but i mean, who knows - maybe all he does is supply a very loose treatment for a story, then it's someone else who wipes themselves with it :-?? ... either way, i just wanna fresh new perspective on almost everything with this new game, especially the writing.
  • edited November 2020 Posts: 497
    HASEROT wrote: »
    i think if they were going to adapt any material, then i say everything post-Fleming should be on the table.. I think Fleming has been mined for far too long in the film series. there isn't much left to draw from that well anymore, unless you just simply rehash the plots with new villains and etc. .... now, while the works of the post Fleming authors often pales in comparison, i think there are some nuggets of gold sprinkled throughout the runs of Gardner and Benson to pull from (should they choose too)..

    Although I agree on the relevance of adapting certain elements of the continuation novels, I doubt that will happen, at least explicitly. I may be wrong, but I once read that what had prevented Eon from naming their Korean colonel in DAD after Amis's Colonel Sun, as they originally intended, was that it involved paying for additional royalties. As part of the IOI project, the studio is partnering with Eon and I doubt they want to pay extra to get access to literary works when they have already had to invest a lot for the film rights. That doesn't mean that it won't be possible to draw here and there narrative elements created by Benson and Gardner, but I doubt that will being said explicitly.
  • HASEROTHASEROT has returned like the tedious inevitability of an unloved season---
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    HASEROT wrote: »
    i think if they were going to adapt any material, then i say everything post-Fleming should be on the table.. I think Fleming has been mined for far too long in the film series. there isn't much left to draw from that well anymore, unless you just simply rehash the plots with new villains and etc. .... now, while the works of the post Fleming authors often pales in comparison, i think there are some nuggets of gold sprinkled throughout the runs of Gardner and Benson to pull from (should they choose too)..

    Although I agree on the relevance of adapting certain elements of the continuation novels, I doubt that will happen, at least explicitly. I may be wrong, but I once read that what had prevented Eon from naming their Korean colonel after Amis's Colonel Sun, as they originally intended, was that it involved paying for additional royalties. As part of the IOI project, the studio is partnering with Eon and I doubt they want to pay extra to get access to literary works when they have already had to invest a lot for the film rights. That doesn't mean that it won't be possible to draw here and there narrative elements created by Benson and Gardner, but I doubt that will being said explicitly.

    and thats also very true as well...

    although i could be very wrong about this - i believe EON do in fact hold rights to Devil May Care and Carte Blanche?.. but i believe those might be filming rights - which isn't the same as translating those IPs to videogames... not sure about Solo, Trigger Mortis or Forever And A Day...

    again, i could be totally off base with those.. but i thought i remember reading about EON acquiring the rights (at the very least to Devil May Care) because people were a buzz that they acquired the rights to intend to adapt that into a film - whereas i think it was more probable that they did that to stop someone else from purchasing the rights to try and make their own 007 movie out of them.... again, i could be wrong..
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    I never heard of that, but it wouldn't be much of a surprise. I guess if Eon bought the rights, it was primarily to avoid paying royalties if they wanted to use of these titles. As for IOI, I suppose that of these two novels, the one that could be the most relevant to them is Carte Blanche, since it is a reboot, not sure on the other hand that they get anything really interesting from it, except maybe the overall characterization of Bond. Obviously, what would be most attractive for them would be Forever and a Day and I would like to see the studio build on the original premise of the novel (Bond investigates the killing of the previous 007 and teams up with a femme fatale who serves as a sort of mentor to him) while creating an all-new story with different locations.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    I do still think that Carte Blanche is one of the best Bond titles in many years. It's perfect.
  • HASEROTHASEROT has returned like the tedious inevitability of an unloved season---
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    mtm wrote: »
    I do still think that Carte Blanche is one of the best Bond titles in many years. It's perfect.

    i really was liking it as well... never finished it though - got about halfway through and got distracted with other stuff and never finished it..

    i wish the newer novels kept Bond in current times.. i appreciate Solo, Trigger Mortis and Forever and a Day going back to the Fleming era.. but IMO, i also find that a bit lazy - as it's easy to keep Bond in the past, because that is "where he is supposed to be" or "he was a product of that time period." - forgetting that when Fleming was writing those novels, they were set in the present day of when they were written lol... i think the greater challenge, as a writer, is taking that character and adapting him to modern times - which is why i appreciated what i read of Carte Blanche - as well as the Gardner and Benson novels.. they kept the character timeline going forward..

    i wont go on much further - it's a topic for a different thread..
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Yes I don't mind the modern day ones either: it's kind of surprising that only one of the 'celeb' authors has done it.
  • Posts: 8,691
    HASEROT wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    I do still think that Carte Blanche is one of the best Bond titles in many years. It's perfect.

    i really was liking it as well... never finished it though - got about halfway through and got distracted with other stuff and never finished it..

    i wish the newer novels kept Bond in current times.. i appreciate Solo, Trigger Mortis and Forever and a Day going back to the Fleming era.. but IMO, i also find that a bit lazy - as it's easy to keep Bond in the past, because that is "where he is supposed to be" or "he was a product of that time period." - forgetting that when Fleming was writing those novels, they were set in the present day of when they were written lol... i think the greater challenge, as a writer, is taking that character and adapting him to modern times - which is why i appreciated what i read of Carte Blanche - as well as the Gardner and Benson novels.. they kept the character timeline going forward..

    i wont go on much further - it's a topic for a different thread..

    I thought I was the only one to me Bond shoukd be in the modern day period
  • James_StJohnSmytheJames_StJohnSmythe Twitter: @J_StJS /// https://www.instagram.com/james_st_john_smythe/
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    Like most of the people here, I was thrilled to hear that we were getting a new Bond game. At first IO Interactive didn't say anything to me, but of course the Hitman series is more than just a term to me - even if I haven't played an instalment so far.

    Now in the past week I've learned a lot about Hitman and the previous releases, especially the last two for PS4. The first Hitman game for PS4, as far as I understand, came out in an episodic format. A new location was added approximately every five to six weeks. In addition, there were other seasons at least planned.

    While I'm not too wild about the idea of series-style episode releases, the idea of a season-based Bond game really appeals to me.

    Imagine that IOI brings out the main game, which initially has a generic title and, when purchased, only contains an introduction and a teaser, a kind of pre-title sequence with a self-contained short mission ala the Goldfinger PTS or Octopussy PTS.

    Shortly afterwards the pass for season 1 will appear with an actual own (Fleming-like ?!) title for download. The purchased main game serves as a kind of season-pass for free download of the first season. It contains the complete main game with a self-contained plot. The setting is a very specific one, where the entire plot takes place.

    The following year (realistic estimate of the time?) Season 2 will be released, which can be downloaded. A new self-contained story with a completely different setting, new characters, different gadgets, etc.

    With this principle, season-based gaming, which is currently very popular among game developers, could be used to keep bringing out new original Bond game stories without having to make a completely new release with a new game disc etc.

    As already mentioned, every season would have to establish a completely different and new story, which stands out because of its new location, story and characters.

    So you could have a season in a luxurious European setting (French casinos, Austrian opera houses, a chase through London).

    The next season takes place in exotic (Caribbean) countries (diving in the Bahamas, infiltrating an island in Jamaica, submarines, etc.).

    Another season then in a snow location (finding the way to a villain on a mountain, infiltrating a building ala OHMSS or SPECTER, ski and snow mobile pursuits).

    Or another season in an oriental country ala Japan in YOLT, with all the cultural options you can use there, including the infiltration of a castle or a secret volcano.

    Either way, the possibilities for a new Bond game from IO Interactive are almost unlimited and I'm really excited.

  • edited November 2020 Posts: 774
    Can you explain us the point of a game "in kit"? Does you like the fact that you can't play Skyfall DLC of 007 Legends cause it not in the stores/downloadable anymore ? Forever gone, it's the bad consequences of DLC.

    No we want a finished game, all thing aviable, not a game in kit where you need to pay/download for DLC, skins, exclusive preorder bonus, exclusive plateform bonus, gold/premium/collector editions, seasons pass and I don't know what crappy things that prevent you for have a full game and that prevent you to keep all it's content forever.

    The idea of settings that you describe are good, but the way to implement these missions are bad. Of course they can realease a "definitive edition" later, but I would prefer that the first edition is also the definite otherwise to have a game in kit that you need to buy 25 time for enjoy all it's content. And it's that worry me in this game knowing them past with Hitman realease.

    I like the fact that when I play Nightfire, FRWL, EON, etc.. I put my CD on my PS2 and that's it : I can play the full game: I don't need to be connected to internet to do it, I don't have to wait 145 hours for downloading 150go of patchs+DLC before playing, nothing is missing & there is nothing that I can't get anymore, my CD game will be always launchable & the same (no downgrade like in old GTA on Steam where music tracks are withdraw due to licence expirations). And I like the fact that even if my CD don't work anymore or if I lost it, that I can very easily buy one by second-hand and that it will be exact same of the one I had.
  • RyanRyan Canada
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    Hitman 2016's episodic format was mostly due to budgeting concerns, experimentation, and the option to incorporate fan feedback into subsequent episodes after the lackluster fan response to Hitman: Absolution. The format was quickly abandoned for Hitman 2 and indeed Hitman 3 will once again be released as a complete game.

    IO is now an independent company after a management buyout, so with total creative control and past budget concerns behind them, there is absolutely no reason to be concerned that the Bond game will be episodic.
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe Still waiting for the Jena Malone Batwoman movie that's never going to be made.Moderator
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    If Project 007 is released in episodic format, then I would do the same as I did for Hitman, and wait for the 'The First Season' release. That way, when I start the game, I don't have to wait, I can move on to the next location as soon as I finish the previous one.
  • ImpertinentGoonImpertinentGoon Everybody needs a hobby.
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    What they have kept however is that all three "modern" Hitman games - what they call the "World of Assassination"-trilogy - are internally connected in more then just story. I have only bought Hitman 2, but was able to buy the levels from Hitman 1 and play them with Hitman 2's mechanics. The same will go for Hitman 3: If you already own 1 and/or 2 you get a free pass to get new versions of their levels with new mechanics included. So in the end Hitman 3 will include all of the content of three games, released in an episodic way over 4-5 years. Basically, the game constantly remasters itself, which is actually a very player-friendly way of going about things as opposed to remastering a succesful game for a new console generation and having players pay for it again (not that IOI haven't also done that...).

    So it is absolutely possible that they do something similar for Project 007. Severely update the Glacier engine to get more out of next-gen (or is it now current gen?) hardware and hopefully include vehicles for the first game. After that, only do concentrated tweaks in certain areas and release a full new set of levels and a new story every 2 years for a total of 3 or 4 games.

    (Honestly, it's how Eon should go about producing the movies, but that is another thread)
  • Posts: 8,691
    If Project 007 is released in episodic format, then I would do the same as I did for Hitman, and wait for the 'The First Season' release. That way, when I start the game, I don't have to wait, I can move on to the next location as soon as I finish the previous one.

    I want to say I will follow that way but lets be honest i am going to be to excited to wait lol
  • DenbighDenbigh UK
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    Ryan wrote: »
    Hitman 2016's episodic format was mostly due to budgeting concerns, experimentation, and the option to incorporate fan feedback into subsequent episodes after the lackluster fan response to Hitman: Absolution. The format was quickly abandoned for Hitman 2 and indeed Hitman 3 will once again be released as a complete game.

    IO is now an independent company after a management buyout, so with total creative control and past budget concerns behind them, there is absolutely no reason to be concerned that the Bond game will be episodic.
    +1

    Although I personally loved Hitman: Absolution.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    Absolution was a fine stealth/action game but a terrible Hitman installment.
  • Posts: 8,691
    Denbigh wrote: »
    Ryan wrote: »
    Hitman 2016's episodic format was mostly due to budgeting concerns, experimentation, and the option to incorporate fan feedback into subsequent episodes after the lackluster fan response to Hitman: Absolution. The format was quickly abandoned for Hitman 2 and indeed Hitman 3 will once again be released as a complete game.

    IO is now an independent company after a management buyout, so with total creative control and past budget concerns behind them, there is absolutely no reason to be concerned that the Bond game will be episodic.
    +1

    Although I personally loved Hitman: Absolution.

    i havent replayed that one recently astill playing blood money and enjopying it I might replay absolution
  • RyanRyan Canada
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    Creasy47 wrote: »
    Absolution was a fine stealth/action game but a terrible Hitman installment.

    This is how I feel about it, but it does have some memorable moments. I don't hate it or anything, but give me Blood Money (or the current run) any day!

    Interestingly the critics loved it, but in my opinion that goes to show the integrity of IO as a company. It didn't matter that the critics liked it - the fans didn't, and they went to great lengths to rectify that.
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe Still waiting for the Jena Malone Batwoman movie that's never going to be made.Moderator
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    Was there any stealth in Hitman: Absolution? I have been known to call it Hitman: Abomination in the past, for the very reason that I remember it being the anti-Hitman game. My impression at the time, was that it felt like IO were trying to appeal to gamers that didn't like stealth games. It felt a world away from the game that preceeded it. I will say that it was a good looking game, it just didn't play as a Hitman game should.
  • RyanRyan Canada
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    Was there any stealth in Hitman: Absolution? I have been known to call it Hitman: Abomination in the past, for the very reason that I remember it being the anti-Hitman game. My impression at the time, was that it felt like IO were trying to appeal to gamers that didn't like stealth games. It felt a world away from the game that preceeded it. I will say that it was a good looking game, it just didn't play as a Hitman game should.

    There's a few levels that aim to be more of a traditional Hitman experience (the level in the corn field comes to mind), but overall the general linearity of the game really took the fun out of trying to take the stealth approach. It was almost always easier to just go guns blazing which is typically a death sentence in other Hitman games.
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    Do you feel project 007 will be completely stealth? We never had a complete stealth video game
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
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    Risico007 wrote: »
    Do you feel project 007 will be completely stealth? We never had a complete stealth video game

    Isn't Splinter Cell completely stealth? And my understanding is it started it's life as a James Bond game that grew into it's own property.
  • DenbighDenbigh UK
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    Risico007 wrote: »
    Do you feel project 007 will be completely stealth? We never had a complete stealth video game
    I think it'll be a mix. Where Hitman is about approaching the missions as you want, stealthy or all guns blazing, I imagine Project 007 will mix it up a bit, and each aspect of the mission/story will offer something different.
  • Posts: 8,691
    Risico007 wrote: »
    Do you feel project 007 will be completely stealth? We never had a complete stealth video game

    Isn't Splinter Cell completely stealth? And my understanding is it started it's life as a James Bond game that grew into it's own property.

    True but I am talking bond only here
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
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    Risico007 wrote: »
    Risico007 wrote: »
    Do you feel project 007 will be completely stealth? We never had a complete stealth video game

    Isn't Splinter Cell completely stealth? And my understanding is it started it's life as a James Bond game that grew into it's own property.

    True but I am talking bond only here

    Oh sorry, I thought you meant we've never had a complete stealth game period, not just in Bond.

    I kind of hope not, as Bond isn't 100% about stealth.
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