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I’m sick of heroes not being heroic.
I’m sick of “emotion” being more important than entertainment.
I actually feel for the first time ever like there is simply no where left for broccoli and Wilson to take the character.
If you have to kill off your main character for a cheap thrill, and a massive downer then it smacks of desperation and lack of imagination. Bond represents to me a life that we all aspire to, a danger that can be escaped, ingenuity, charm, just a simple understated coolness.
The first hour is fantastic. Like a fine wine. Cuba and matera are amazing. Paloma is amazing. And actually I can go along with the seismic shift in style and atmosphere from all Craig’s other films. This feels like a mix of YOLT / TSWLM etc.
But that ending. You’ve got to be shitting me. It’s an empty, redundant load of crap that thinks it’s going to blow everyone’s mind. His death doesn’t even count for anything. It’s irrelevent to the plot.
I never ever watch bond film to feel like this.
I actually think I’ve got to the point where I will just watch the old ones. 5 of the last 7 are crap.
Amazon buying bond might just be a massive blessing in disguise. Reboot the series as a 60s period piece and let’s get back to Fleming.
I'd say it's similar to SF in that respect. The general 'human interest' story transcends a typical espionage thriller and hopefully like with SF it means it'll find a greater audience. For us fans it means we have another good film in the Bond canon rather than a good traditional Bond film. Possibly only OHMSS and CR can stand alone outside the franchise yet still feel quintessentially Bond.
Your not alone friend, totally agree, this is how I felt too, just rewatching Thunderball as an antidote.
Although I doubt Amazon's purchase will be a blessing in disguise, I can see them leaning even more into this type of trope.
I'm very conflicted because I'm not the type of Bond fan that insists they stick to the formula. I like innovation in Bond movies, and this movie certainly makes some very bold innovative choices. But in doing so, I feel some of the core aspects of what makes a Bond movie have been lost and instead we just get a great action movie rather than a great Bond movie.
For me it was well paced with some great action sequences. Although like many I did
leave the cinema a little conflicted in my feelings. Did enjoy all the nods to older Bond
films, OHMSS music cues even the Dr no homage at the start of the Title sequence.
It will take a few more viewings to see where it ends up in my Bond list.
An unfortunate consequence of SF doing so well and the general audience calling it 'best Bond evah' I think. I remember some friends and work colleagues saying it was a good film but not really a Bond film. Will be interested to hear their take on NTTD.
Always struck me as strange that QOS got slated at the time for being more like a generic Bourne\action film than a traditional Bond film and yet i find it far more Bondian than what came after it, except for the odd decent moment in SP.
2) It packs more emotional punch if you see someone dying in the arms of a friend/loved one, than being blown up by rockets!
Also, am I correct that the rush to launch the missiles from the UK ship is to prevent the Chinese or Russians arriving and having a look around? (there is no countdown to a deadly launch) so we are to assume that the Chinese would steal the nanobots and do something so deadly that it's worth blowing everything up and Bond's life?
Plus Leiter's death being more of a shock - well not to us as it was spotted from the trailer but in the narrative of the film.
Whereas there's an inevitability that Bond had to die. If he'd died a heroic death just by sticking around to keep the silo doors open I'd probably have hated it but the poisoning meaning he couldn't go on to live a life with Madeline and Mathilde worked for me.
Fleming spelled it out. He’s someone who knows he will be dead soon, lives everyday like it’s his last and so indulges his senses, passions for the finer things in life and talents, uses his ingenuity to get out of situations and kills people for a profession.
I didn’t see any of that except the killing over and over again with a machine gun.
No subtely. No pause to enjoy a dom perignon ‘53. The only person who has understood this is in the last 20 years is Martin Campbell
Thought it was just in relation to Madeleine his daughter.
No, the nanobots just means he can never be with Madeline or his daughter. Without them in his body, he probably would have tried to escape but those bullet wounds did also seem fairly serious.
Yes, that's correct. And everyone else in the database, like most from MI6 probably. That's my take.
Apologies, thanks for clarification
I think this is wrong. Safin used his "insurance policy" against him. The vial that was created using Madeleine's hair.
Oh yeah, I agree. What a loser. "If i can't be with her and my daughter, I might as well die."
That would make more sense - and what would probably be the motivation if this was a real life event - but alas it did seem more of a 'save the day' moment. There was no countdown but Safin had vessels coming to take some of the stuff.
That said M describes the situation as being on the brink of war so they needed to quickly destroy the place and not overstay their welcome with the Chinese and Russians circling.
That worked for me though. The moment of him being blown up wasn't the tear jerker it was what Safin had denied Bond which was the tragedy. His death being a salvation from the torment.
I appreciate it's not really the sort of thing we really want to see with Fleming's Bond on screen but it works in the context of the film. I might be too forgiving but this is Craig's farewell. Bond himself will endure.
Really deflating ending.
He opened the blast doors for the second time. He could have left. He was badly wounded by the bullets but I think he would have tried to escape if it meant he could be with Madeline and his daughter.