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All I'll say is:
There are few amateurs here.
Oh, I'm an amateur. Wouldn't want to be short for fanatic. :D
Amateur etymology actually comes from loving something, from the latin amare - to love, amateur - lover. So, I'm fairly sure I'm an amateur.
No fanaticism here ;)
Given Barbara Broccoli’s comments about how there won’t be spin-offs and that there’s a very special text at the end of NTTD, no. This is not going to be Nomi’s franchise. She’s a one off character.
Love it, really do :D
So your the amateur then,Got it.
I'm thrilled she said that, but at the same time I won't hold my breath. I seem to recall the intention was to find a new distributor a few months after SPECTRE. It took a few years.
There is really no need for this kind of talk. There are different kinds of Bond films that appeal to different kinds of people. It's been that way for a long time. And all of them are true fans. I'm not a big fan of the Moore era (and I have big gripes with the Craig era, too) in the same way people aren't fans of the Brosnan era but I'd never dare tell them that they aren't real Bond fans. As a fully grown adult, surely you must understand this.
Exactly! Very well put! When I was 4 (yes 4 lol) my mom took me to see goldeneye in theaters and it was the First time I got to experience bond Fandom from all different ages groups. We all got to express our likes and dislikes of the films and actors. Till this day wether the film is good or bad at the movie premieres waiting in line or sitting in the theater before the film discussing them all with the fans is such a great treat. A bond fan is a bond fan thru and thru but to degrade others for not being a purist is just ridiculous.
Especially when there is no established, perfect definition of "purist."
Plus he had been shot several times by Saffin and poisoned at this stage.
I made a wisecrack spoiler comment a few pages back that would have tied the films together. It was funny when I typed it. Of course I was tired and a bit silly.
I had a similar reaction to Ralph Fiennes's monologue about the good old days of being able to see the bad guys and not having to find them in the cloud. I haven't seen SPECTRE in awhile, but doesn't he basically say the same damn thing in that movie?
I kind of admire the effort that went into getting this lumbering, fatally overlong thing finished, but it's all just so shopworn.
I've been critical of SKYFALL and SPECTRE on the boards, but in those two entries at least Mendes and Deakins/van Hoytema developed captivating, nightmarish visuals and set-pieces to make up for the shortcomings at the story level.
Unfortunately, Fukunaga isn't in the same league and can't do much with a script that is so thuddingly obvious and corny. One of the critics described it as having "big, big laughs," but most of the attempts at humor involve Craig nonchalantly guzzling drinks in the middle of otherwise tense scenes, which got old when Dean Martin was doing it over 50 years ago.
Craig, by the way, is fine with what's he's given, but at times he doesn't even appear to be playing the same character -- especially in his misfire of a scene opposite Christoph Waltz/Brofeld, where Bond acts in ways that I didn't find credible or consistent with what's gone before. The scenes with Lea Seydoux never take off, and she still has zero chemistry with her leading man. The highlight is Ana de Armas, who is charming and tough but not in the film long enough.
It's not unwatchable, but I found NTTD to be a "meh" experience and the weakest of Craig's tenure.
Also, I could have done without that song in the end credits. It's a great song, but it doesn't belong here.
Michael Myers survived worse…. He survived The Love Guru….
Sorry had to
This is EON's franchise and they can and will do anything they believe is right and lucrative, regardless of what some fans think. I think we should all accept that, and stop lecturing them about what James Bond franchise is or isn't. It's whatever they think it is. It's their property.
I've had my share of complaining here, but I think I've learned to accept that Bond films will never again be the way I want them to be, at least not entirely.
Having said that, I'll just say I'm gutted with the way NTTD ends and I'm not paying to see this movie. I'll watch it for free, probably when it airs on TV in a year or two.
I'll be rewatching Connery, Lazenby, Moore and Dalton instead.
May I please steal this thought to help myself next week?
But as with the “JAMES BOND WILL RETURN” title card, in the end, Toho wound up ensuring everyone that the death of the character was not permanent. Like the Danial Craig films, the Godzilla of the Heisei era (1984-1995) had a definite and unique “character arc” (or as much as a fake 400 -foot-tall monster could have). And, in retrospect, his “death” was entirely in keeping with the spirit of wanting to have some type of “conclusion.” (*)
** That said it took a number of years before I finally mustarded the courage to watch the final moments of the movie after I purchased the DVD. And of course, I shed a tear or two at the ending.
If this is the case, I’d almost want B26 to start with an gravely injured, amnesiac Bond who travels to Russia to figure out who he is, attempts assassination on M and then redeems himself as an agent similar to YOLT/TMWTGG
Actually. Mathilde grows up having gender identity issues, transitions to being a male, assumes the name...
...and we're off and running for Bond 26...set fifteen years in the future! ;)
@Birdleson. True enough. But remember in 1954 Godzilla was not yet a film franchise. From then on, regardless of how the films ended, it was always implied that he (Godzilla II?) would live another day (“…he’s too tough…”). To be fair, it you see the ending of Godzilla vs. Destoroyah, Toho gave themselves a big “get out of jail free card” regarding the Godzilla that we would see in any future films – in the form of “Jr.”
I know the analogy is a bit silly, but at 1:00AM one thinks of such things.
With that kind of technology (which has probably evolved since then) they could easily shave 10-15 years off Craig and concoct a story/mission taking place between the events of SP and NTTD.
That would be the only 'plausible' way of bringing him back to the franchise... him somehow surviving a direct missile to the face still seems far fetched, even for a Bond movie.
I'd rather see Bond go gracefully than have him drink from the fountain of youth... except when it comes to recasting the role.