No Time to Die production thread (MINOR SPOILERS ALLOWED)

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  • edited March 10 Posts: 80
    Mallory wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    Mallory wrote: »
    Mallory wrote: »
    @battleshipgreygt

    https://www.indiewire.com/2020/10/no-time-to-die-opening-scene-fukunaga-it-movie-1234592157/

    However, with the opening scene, Fukunaga bucks tradition in every way: It’s slow-paced, visually arresting, subtitled with dialogue in French, and entirely Bond-free.”

    Now that that's confirmed, we still don't know whether the Matera sequence precedes or follows the title sequence. If Matera immediately follows Norway, that would be a 20+ minute PTS!

    The song wouldnt make much sense if it was before the Matera section, which I suspect the song heavily references, given that is was Eilish was given to work with.

    Plus Matera is set some years before isn't it? (Isn't Craig's hair dyed a bit for those scenes? Did someone here spot that? I can't remember) So, like GoldenEye or DAD, the song seems a natural point to throw forward a few years.

    It’s probably the most (i.e. longest) time periods in a single Bond film.

    1992 (?) - Norway with Safin and Maddie
    2015 - Matera
    2020 - Jamaica and rest of the film.

    Only others I can think of is GE (9 years), DAD (14 months), SF (3 months) between PTS and rest of the movie.

    More like 2013 for Matera. SP can't have taken place more than a few months after SF, so that means the rest of the film takes place in 2018/2019.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Mallory wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    Mallory wrote: »
    Mallory wrote: »
    @battleshipgreygt

    https://www.indiewire.com/2020/10/no-time-to-die-opening-scene-fukunaga-it-movie-1234592157/

    However, with the opening scene, Fukunaga bucks tradition in every way: It’s slow-paced, visually arresting, subtitled with dialogue in French, and entirely Bond-free.”

    Now that that's confirmed, we still don't know whether the Matera sequence precedes or follows the title sequence. If Matera immediately follows Norway, that would be a 20+ minute PTS!

    The song wouldnt make much sense if it was before the Matera section, which I suspect the song heavily references, given that is was Eilish was given to work with.

    Plus Matera is set some years before isn't it? (Isn't Craig's hair dyed a bit for those scenes? Did someone here spot that? I can't remember) So, like GoldenEye or DAD, the song seems a natural point to throw forward a few years.

    It’s probably the most (i.e. longest) time periods in a single Bond film.

    1992 (?) - Norway with Safin and Maddie
    2015 - Matera
    2020 - Jamaica and rest of the film.

    Only others I can think of is GE (9 years), DAD (14 months), SF (3 months) between PTS and rest of the movie.

    More like 2013 for Matera. SP can't have taken place more than a few months after SF, so that means the rest of the film takes place in 2018/2019.

    Is that because of Dame Judi M's message? Yes I guess that's a good point.
    I know there's personal effects from the remains of Skyfall but I guess they could have been held up for a couple of years potentially.
  • JamesBondKenyaJamesBondKenya Danny Boyle laughs to himself
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    unless skyfall took place in 2014
  • MalloryMallory Are you ready to get back to work?
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    unless skyfall took place in 2014

    I’d be confident in stating SF is set in 2012. Silva present Bond with a bottle of “50 year old Macallen. A particular favourite of yours I understand”. It has 1962 clearly visible on the label. Ergo, set in 2012 😊
  • TripAcesTripAces Universal Exports
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    Mallory wrote: »
    unless skyfall took place in 2014

    I’d be confident in stating SF is set in 2012. Silva present Bond with a bottle of “50 year old Macallen. A particular favourite of yours I understand”. It has 1962 clearly visible on the label. Ergo, set in 2012 😊

    And 2012 was the Year of the Dragon...this was alluded to throughout
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
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    2012 on Bond's passports too.
  • TripAcesTripAces Universal Exports
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    QBranch wrote: »
    2012 on Bond's passports too.

    good point
  • Posts: 80
    There's also the DB5. I can't imagine it taking three years for Q to rebuild it.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    There's also the DB5. I can't imagine it taking three years for Q to rebuild it.

    I think if he’s doing it on the side as a low priority that’s not too big an issue, but the way it’s spoken about in the dialogue does maybe suggest it was destroyed recently, yeah.
  • MalloryMallory Are you ready to get back to work?
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    The return of the DB5 should’ve been relegated to a background gag rather than actually restoring it and bringing it back. Kinda undermines its symbolic destruction in SF, but hey ho. The opening Matera chase in NTTD does look good though.

    Also Q manages to fully rebuild the DB5 in the space of a week or so, which is optimistic.
  • GadgetManGadgetMan Nigeria
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    I won't be surprised if the next Bond doesn't use the DB5 at all, throughout his era...I think EON might keep it for the 8th Bond actor, so the DB5 regains its mythic status again.
  • MalloryMallory Are you ready to get back to work?
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    As much as I love Aston Martin, I wouldnt be adverse to the next Bond actor and his films using a different car manufacturer. Maybe the return of Lotus? Or a McLaren. Keep it high end and British.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Mallory wrote: »
    The return of the DB5 should’ve been relegated to a background gag rather than actually restoring it and bringing it back. Kinda undermines its symbolic destruction in SF, but hey ho. The opening Matera chase in NTTD does look good though.

    Also Q manages to fully rebuild the DB5 in the space of a week or so, which is optimistic.

    Is it clear how long he's been away for at the end?
  • BennyBenny ...OctobennyModerator
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    Maybe I'm in the minority with this, but the year in which the current Bond film takes place hasn't been an issue for me. It doesn't add anything to the story, If in GE I'm told Bond and Caroline driving in Monaco in the DB5 is nine years after the events of the pts, then...ok.
    I'm an often easily pleased Bond fan in many respects.
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
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    Same here @Benny. I expect to see NTTD prop documents with the 2019 date.
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    Benny wrote: »
    Maybe I'm in the minority with this, but the year in which the current Bond film takes place hasn't been an issue for me. It doesn't add anything to the story, If in GE I'm told Bond and Caroline driving in Monaco in the DB5 is nine years after the events of the pts, then...ok.
    I'm an often easily pleased Bond fan in many respects.

    I'm in the same boat as you.

    QOS having 2008 stamped on every calendar, document, and computer despite ostensibly taking place 5 minutes after a movie that ended in 2006 was the biggest sign that despite the Craig years being more continuity heavy, it's still a floating timeline.
  • edited March 11 Posts: 80
    GadgetMan wrote: »
    I won't be surprised if the next Bond doesn't use the DB5 at all, throughout his era...I think EON might keep it for the 8th Bond actor, so the DB5 regains its mythic status again.

    I imagine it's going to get destroyed again in this one, hence Bond returns to London in the Vantage, so you may well be right.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
    edited March 11 Posts: 19,182
    Benny wrote: »
    Maybe I'm in the minority with this, but the year in which the current Bond film takes place hasn't been an issue for me. It doesn't add anything to the story, If in GE I'm told Bond and Caroline driving in Monaco in the DB5 is nine years after the events of the pts, then...ok.
    I'm an often easily pleased Bond fan in many respects.

    Words of wisdom, @Benny. There's a certain level of scrutiny that can only suck the fun out of a Bond movie. Our mission is to just roll with it. For example: I understand that iPhones and Smartphones change models faster than lightspeed and that product placement in a newly released Bond film is a big deal, but I hope this is not the sort of thing people will factor in when evaluating NTTD after the fact. "That model is soooo not 2021," is not the sort of complaint I will have a lot of patience for... ;-)
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited March 11 Posts: 6,696
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    Benny wrote: »
    Maybe I'm in the minority with this, but the year in which the current Bond film takes place hasn't been an issue for me. It doesn't add anything to the story, If in GE I'm told Bond and Caroline driving in Monaco in the DB5 is nine years after the events of the pts, then...ok.
    I'm an often easily pleased Bond fan in many respects.

    Words of wisdom, @Benny. There's a certain level of scrutiny that can only suck the fun out of a Bond movie.

    I think that's the fun of being a fan, as long as you don't take it too seriously. Analysing the gunbarrel sequences for example: as long as you don't actually think the film is terrible because Brosnan looks like he has a rod up his back or whatever, then it's just fun. Pointing out a continuity flaw or how a plotline doesn't make sense, it's just for the enjoyment of it. If someone then starts to drily make an argument out of that, how it's actually all perfect etc. then that's where the fun starts to evaporate.

    Working out what year it's set in is just a bit of fun.
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    Our mission is to just roll with it. For example: I understand that iPhones and Smartphones change models faster than lightspeed and that product placement in a newly released Bond film is a big deal, but I hope this is not the sort of thing people will factor in when evaluating NTTD after the fact. "That model is soooo not 2021," is not the sort of complaint I will have a lot of patience for... ;-)

    Well they'll most probably just replace any phones in it with the latest model with a bit of CG, not too tricky for these guys.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    mtm wrote: »
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    Benny wrote: »
    Maybe I'm in the minority with this, but the year in which the current Bond film takes place hasn't been an issue for me. It doesn't add anything to the story, If in GE I'm told Bond and Caroline driving in Monaco in the DB5 is nine years after the events of the pts, then...ok.
    I'm an often easily pleased Bond fan in many respects.

    Words of wisdom, @Benny. There's a certain level of scrutiny that can only suck the fun out of a Bond movie.

    I think that's the fun of being a fan, as long as you don't take it too seriously. Analysing the gunbarrel sequences for example: as long as you don't actually think the film is terrible because Brosnan looks like he has a rod up his back or whatever, then it's just fun. Pointing out a continuity flaw or how a plotline doesn't make sense, it's just for the enjoyment of it. If someone then starts to drily make an argument out of that, how it's actually all perfect etc. then that's where the fun starts to evaporate.

    Like I said, a "certain level". It's like salt; a little makes every dish better, too much kills it. ;-)
    mtm wrote: »
    Working out what year it's set in is just a bit of fun.

    I guess it can be fun for others but I have never cared about that. E.g., we know that CR must take place after 2001 and judging by some phones it's not 2020. But what year it is exactly (or most likely) is not a mystery I'm going to spend any time on by looking into the models of cars, the type of phones people use, ... Knowing that wouldn't give me any particular satisfaction. The Bonds, for me, play in "some decade"; I'm lost in an adventure for which temporal coordinates mean little to me. But hey, I'm glad others are figuring out a timeline. :-)
    mtm wrote: »
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    Our mission is to just roll with it. For example: I understand that iPhones and Smartphones change models faster than lightspeed and that product placement in a newly released Bond film is a big deal, but I hope this is not the sort of thing people will factor in when evaluating NTTD after the fact. "That model is soooo not 2021," is not the sort of complaint I will have a lot of patience for... ;-)

    Well they'll most probably just replace any phones in it with the latest model with a bit of CG, not too tricky for these guys.

    Probably. Or with guns.

    (Sorry, bad E.T. reference. ;-) )
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Digitalia
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    The surveilance tape in the Bahamas is dated 2006.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    The surveilance tape in the Bahamas is dated 2006.

    See, I hadn't even caught that, that's how little I care. But thank you, anyway. ;-)
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited March 11 Posts: 6,696
    The surveilance tape in the Bahamas is dated 2006.

    Yep, I think does maybe the Ellipsis text message have a year on it too? I have a vague memory of that.
    Other places there might be a date include the newspaper with the headline that M flashes, and of course Bond's email inbox, complete with the dramatic 'stationery request'! :)
  • ContrabandContraband Sweden
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    Fan-made.. unfortunately



  • ContrabandContraband Sweden
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    I don't remember if it was in Total Film or Empire or who it was but that someone, like Cary or Prod Designer Mark Tildesley, said the PTS would be around 18 min starting with Norway (only in french dialogue) >> Matera mayhem >> Titles
  • edited March 11 Posts: 91
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    Contraband wrote: »
    I don't remember if it was in Total Film or Empire or who it was but that someone, like Cary or Prod Designer Mark Tildesley, said the PTS would be around 18 min starting with Norway (only in french dialogue) >> Matera mayhem >> Titles

    The French dialogue claim came from the Wall Street Journal journalist who Fukunaga showed the first 10mins too.

    Michael Wison said the PTS was the series' longest during the Jamaica Live Reveal event, I believe.

    FWIW I think it is;

    UAR/MGM/Universal Logos
    Gunbarrel
    Norway and Matera as the PTS
    Main title sequence
    Rest of film
  • Posts: 80
    I suspect the Norway scene will be Madeleine dreaming, then she'll wake up in Matera in the present and we go from there.
  • ContrabandContraband Sweden
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    I suspect the Norway scene will be Madeleine dreaming, then she'll wake up in Matera in the present and we go from there.

    If she's dreaming that would be in the DB5 because they filmed scenes with Bond and Swann driving along the coast heading for Matera and production even built a short tunnel in the middle of Matera city with them driving through it, arriving in the city plus several other driving scenes in the evening (and finally stops outside the hotel)
  • Posts: 163
    I seem to remember (unfortunately not where) I read
    Madeleine emerging from water in Cava dei Poeti (the scenes shown in the first Billie Eilish clip back in February 2020) is supposed to be her remembering the scene in lake's waters in Norway. She then turns to Bond almost scared mistaking him for Safin and then smiling realising she's in the present day
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