No Time to Die production thread (MINOR SPOILERS ALLOWED)

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  • fadetoblack7fadetoblack7 Chicago IL
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    It would certainly add to the creepiness of the scene if it was before the logos.
  • MalloryMallory Are you ready to get back to work?
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    Just imagine. You’re sat there in the cinema, trailers finished, rating card shown, and that silent period and the black screen, waiting for the screen to light up. And BAM. Straight in. Tracking shot over the Ice lake and towards the cabin, trees rustling, a man in a coat pushing forward.... in we go!
  • TripAcesTripAces Universal Exports
    edited March 9 Posts: 4,116
    Mallory wrote: »
    jake24 wrote: »
    Mallory wrote: »
    @jake24 I am fully onboard with your theory and I think that is what we will get. I think we will have.

    - Open straight into Norway
    - MGM and Universal Logo
    - Gunbarrel
    - Matera
    I would reverse Norway with the logos, but we’ll know for sure soon enough.

    I think, for impact, straight in. Make the Norway section a prologue to the main film.

    I am no longer convinced that the film will open in Norway. There was something in the way Simon Hayes described that shoot (in the Production Sound & Vision interview) that has made me think this way. I could be wrong. But whereas I was once 100% certain that the film begin there, on the frozen lake, I am at 50-50 now.
  • I'm not sure where the rumours of the cold open were sourced and the actual legitimacy of it, but I really hope that's the case. The Craig era began with a bit of a subversive opening with the B&W PTS sans gunbarrel and I think this would be a fitting way to end it.

    I think it's really important for NTTD to subvert audience expectations and opening into a creepy, Bond-less miniature horror thriller before cutting to the logos and gunbarrel would be really jarring (in a good way) and set a unique tone and mystery out the gate.
  • MalloryMallory Are you ready to get back to work?
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    @battleshipgreygt

    https://www.indiewire.com/2020/10/no-time-to-die-opening-scene-fukunaga-it-movie-1234592157/

    However, with the opening scene, Fukunaga bucks tradition in every way: It’s slow-paced, visually arresting, subtitled with dialogue in French, and entirely Bond-free.”
  • TripAcesTripAces Universal Exports
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    Mallory wrote: »
    @battleshipgreygt

    https://www.indiewire.com/2020/10/no-time-to-die-opening-scene-fukunaga-it-movie-1234592157/

    However, with the opening scene, Fukunaga bucks tradition in every way: It’s slow-paced, visually arresting, subtitled with dialogue in French, and entirely Bond-free.”

    Hot damn! Thank you for this @Mallory !!!!! Not only does this solve some mysteries, it opens another can of worms.

    But the article is wrong, right? As we all know, not every 007 film features 007 in the PTS. LALD did not. TMWTGG featured a wax statue of him. FRWL featured a man in his mask.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    jake24 wrote: »
    There’s a small chance we are being misled by the gunbarrel music from the soundtrack. I think it’s possible they’re going for a cold open into the Norway scene, followed by the gunbarrel after that, opening up on Matera. For some reason I think the fanfare will still be played over the Universal logo as a tease of sorts but the music will come to a halt once the scene begins, then resume when the gunbarrel starts.

    Interesting! I’d be open to that, although a part of me does say “can’t we just have one normal one?” :D
  • SatoriousSatorious Brushing up on a little Danish
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    They might muck around with the gunbarrel all they want - beginning, end, middle, whatever (although seriously please stop - it always works best at the start).

    The one thing they won't do is play the Universal or MGM logo anywhere other the start - you're sorely misguided if you believe otherwise!
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    Mallory wrote: »
    @battleshipgreygt

    https://www.indiewire.com/2020/10/no-time-to-die-opening-scene-fukunaga-it-movie-1234592157/

    However, with the opening scene, Fukunaga bucks tradition in every way: It’s slow-paced, visually arresting, subtitled with dialogue in French, and entirely Bond-free.”

    Now that that's confirmed, we still don't know whether the Matera sequence precedes or follows the title sequence. If Matera immediately follows Norway, that would be a 20+ minute PTS!
  • I suppose a 20+ minute PTS could make sense for NTTD given the film will be the longest Bond film to date. I would be surprised if it didn’t include the Matera stuff given the title song seems to reference it heavily, and all that action seems to make more sense for a PTS than a first act. Also the titles seem the perfect place to separate a jump in time to Bond being retired in Jamaica.
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    Mallory wrote: »
    @battleshipgreygt

    https://www.indiewire.com/2020/10/no-time-to-die-opening-scene-fukunaga-it-movie-1234592157/

    However, with the opening scene, Fukunaga bucks tradition in every way: It’s slow-paced, visually arresting, subtitled with dialogue in French, and entirely Bond-free.”
    If Matera immediately follows Norway, that would be a 20+ minute PTS!

    And that would make it the 3rd Bond-movie in a row, where the best part of the movie is in the PTS.
  • MalloryMallory Are you ready to get back to work?
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    Mallory wrote: »
    @battleshipgreygt

    https://www.indiewire.com/2020/10/no-time-to-die-opening-scene-fukunaga-it-movie-1234592157/

    However, with the opening scene, Fukunaga bucks tradition in every way: It’s slow-paced, visually arresting, subtitled with dialogue in French, and entirely Bond-free.”

    Now that that's confirmed, we still don't know whether the Matera sequence precedes or follows the title sequence. If Matera immediately follows Norway, that would be a 20+ minute PTS!

    The song wouldnt make much sense if it was before the Matera section, which I suspect the song heavily references, given that is was Eilish was given to work with.
  • MalloryMallory Are you ready to get back to work?
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    Zekidk wrote: »
    Mallory wrote: »
    @battleshipgreygt

    https://www.indiewire.com/2020/10/no-time-to-die-opening-scene-fukunaga-it-movie-1234592157/

    However, with the opening scene, Fukunaga bucks tradition in every way: It’s slow-paced, visually arresting, subtitled with dialogue in French, and entirely Bond-free.”
    If Matera immediately follows Norway, that would be a 20+ minute PTS!

    And that would make it the 3rd Bond-movie in a row, where the best part of the movie is in the PTS.

    I dunno, I think the Cuba section could be a knockout.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
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    Yeah, considering the themes presented in (and the overall tone of) the title song, it would be a baffling choice to have the Matera sequence after it rather than before. I think it will be a 20 minute PTS.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Mallory wrote: »
    Mallory wrote: »
    @battleshipgreygt

    https://www.indiewire.com/2020/10/no-time-to-die-opening-scene-fukunaga-it-movie-1234592157/

    However, with the opening scene, Fukunaga bucks tradition in every way: It’s slow-paced, visually arresting, subtitled with dialogue in French, and entirely Bond-free.”

    Now that that's confirmed, we still don't know whether the Matera sequence precedes or follows the title sequence. If Matera immediately follows Norway, that would be a 20+ minute PTS!

    The song wouldnt make much sense if it was before the Matera section, which I suspect the song heavily references, given that is was Eilish was given to work with.

    Plus Matera is set some years before isn't it? (Isn't Craig's hair dyed a bit for those scenes? Did someone here spot that? I can't remember) So, like GoldenEye or DAD, the song seems a natural point to throw forward a few years.
  • MalloryMallory Are you ready to get back to work?
    edited March 10 Posts: 1,152
    mtm wrote: »
    Mallory wrote: »
    Mallory wrote: »
    @battleshipgreygt

    https://www.indiewire.com/2020/10/no-time-to-die-opening-scene-fukunaga-it-movie-1234592157/

    However, with the opening scene, Fukunaga bucks tradition in every way: It’s slow-paced, visually arresting, subtitled with dialogue in French, and entirely Bond-free.”

    Now that that's confirmed, we still don't know whether the Matera sequence precedes or follows the title sequence. If Matera immediately follows Norway, that would be a 20+ minute PTS!

    The song wouldnt make much sense if it was before the Matera section, which I suspect the song heavily references, given that is was Eilish was given to work with.

    Plus Matera is set some years before isn't it? (Isn't Craig's hair dyed a bit for those scenes? Did someone here spot that? I can't remember) So, like GoldenEye or DAD, the song seems a natural point to throw forward a few years.

    It’s probably the most (i.e. longest) time periods in a single Bond film.

    1992 (?) - Norway with Safin and Maddie
    2015 - Matera
    2020 - Jamaica and rest of the film.

    Only others I can think of is GE (9 years), DAD (14 months), SF (3 months) between PTS and rest of the movie.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Mallory wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    Mallory wrote: »
    Mallory wrote: »
    @battleshipgreygt

    https://www.indiewire.com/2020/10/no-time-to-die-opening-scene-fukunaga-it-movie-1234592157/

    However, with the opening scene, Fukunaga bucks tradition in every way: It’s slow-paced, visually arresting, subtitled with dialogue in French, and entirely Bond-free.”

    Now that that's confirmed, we still don't know whether the Matera sequence precedes or follows the title sequence. If Matera immediately follows Norway, that would be a 20+ minute PTS!

    The song wouldnt make much sense if it was before the Matera section, which I suspect the song heavily references, given that is was Eilish was given to work with.

    Plus Matera is set some years before isn't it? (Isn't Craig's hair dyed a bit for those scenes? Did someone here spot that? I can't remember) So, like GoldenEye or DAD, the song seems a natural point to throw forward a few years.

    It’s probably the most (i.e. longest) time periods in a single Bond film.

    1992 (?) - Norway with Safin and Maddie
    2015 - Matera
    2020 - Jamaica and rest of the film.

    Only others I can think of is GE (9 years), DAD (14 months), SF (3 months) between PTS and rest of the movie.

    Yeah I can't think of any other ones that do flashbacks or anything. I guess the beginning of CR might be set a few months before the rest of the film but not much.

    Unless you count those close-up shots of the eyes of little James Bond as a boy in the Skyfall titles! :)
  • MalloryMallory Are you ready to get back to work?
    edited March 10 Posts: 1,152
    @mtm Unless the movie explicitly says so, or a character makes reference to it, I usually assume the time between the PTS and the main movie is a day or two. Week at most. Or in the case of QoS, 5 mins. 😁

    But then you are getting into a massive can of worms if you try and “reconcile time” within individual Bond films.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited March 10 Posts: 6,682
    Mallory wrote: »
    Unless the movie explicitly says so, or a character makes reference to it, I usually assume the time between the PTS and the main movie is a day or two. Week at most. Or in the case of QoS, 5 mins. 😁

    Heh! Yeah. Is that the one with the least amount of time between the pre and post-titles? :)

    I guess something like FRWL or TMWTGG could have happened seconds before- there's no real way of knowing! :)
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    Pretty sure it was confirmed in an interview last year by MGW that it will be the longest PTS of the whole franchise, almost 25 mins....
  • I'm willing to wager that this will be where the title song begins
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  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited March 10 Posts: 6,682
    I think it'll cut back to a shot of the DB5 falling apart in its parking space like a clown car, and then into the titles :)
  • TripAcesTripAces Universal Exports
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    I'm willing to wager that this will be where the title song begins
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    Yep
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
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    Yeah, that looks like a potentially perfect transition shot, for sure.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    TripAces wrote: »
    I'm willing to wager that this will be where the title song begins
    b5bca9635523d322516fd88d73c57a11ca13c3c4.jpg

    Yep
    With the passing train windows being the segue.

  • Junglist_1985Junglist_1985 Los Angeles
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    mtm wrote: »
    I think it'll cut back to a shot of the DB5 falling apart in its parking space like a clown car, and then into the titles :)

    You mean right as Craig pulls up to a petrol station and goes “Fill her up please!” 😂
  • MalloryMallory Are you ready to get back to work?
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    mtm wrote: »
    I think it'll cut back to a shot of the DB5 falling apart in its parking space like a clown car, and then into the titles :)

    You mean right as Craig pulls up to a petrol station and goes “Fill her up please!” 😂

    Bond walks away from the train.

    “Well... now I am single and free”
    Burps, farts and scratches butt.
    Cut to titles.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    mtm wrote: »
    I think it'll cut back to a shot of the DB5 falling apart in its parking space like a clown car, and then into the titles :)

    You mean right as Craig pulls up to a petrol station and goes “Fill her up please!” 😂

    Yes! I think you've nailed it.
  • Mallory wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    I think it'll cut back to a shot of the DB5 falling apart in its parking space like a clown car, and then into the titles :)

    You mean right as Craig pulls up to a petrol station and goes “Fill her up please!” 😂

    Bond walks away from the train.

    “Well... now I am single and free”
    Burps, farts and scratches butt.
    Cut to titles.

    Yes! I think you've nailed it.
  • ImpertinentGoonImpertinentGoon Wattenscheid
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    If this doesn't happen, we riot.
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