The most average Bond film

MrBondMrBond Station S
edited March 2011 in Bond Movies Posts: 2,044
I think i have to choose LALD, nothing special really, not bad and not great either.
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  • edited March 2011 Posts: 19,339

    Ditto,just the most average outing for me .The film at #11 on my list (average position out of 22 ) is AVTAK .
  • saunderssaunders Living in a world of avarice and deceit
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    I know many will disagree but I find OP distinctly average, it has it's great moments but then again even the worst Bond films have great moments...well okay DAD doesn't but the point is many of the films have many more and far greater moments than OP and while I don't dislike watching it I feel it could of been far better.
  • Samuel001Samuel001 Moderator
    edited March 2011 Posts: 13,350
    The Spy Who Loved Me, The World Is Not Enough, Quantum Of Solace.

    They are all pretty average to me.
  • CISCIS Suspended
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    Tomorrow Never Dies, License to Kill, Octopussy, Quantum of Solace.
  • HASEROTHASEROT has returned like the tedious inevitability of an unloved season---
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    Tomorrow Never Dies was probably the most average for me..
  • Posts: 107
    The film at number eleven in my rankings is Goldfinger. The film that scores closest to my average score is You Only Live Twice.

  • Posts: 2,341
    Tomorrow Never Dies was probably the most average for me..
    I agree. TND was just average, they were so intent on touching all the bases of the established formula that had been in place since GF
    Exciting PTS
    Egomanical villian
    Big [blond] henchman who Bond has to do battle with
    Sacrificial Lamb (Paris)
    Couple of chase scenes
    Big climatic explosion, ticking clock
    Bond seduces the leading lady on or near a body of water at the end

  • HASEROTHASEROT has returned like the tedious inevitability of an unloved season---
    edited October 2011 Posts: 4,399
    Tomorrow Never Dies was probably the most average for me..
    I agree. TND was just average, they were so intent on touching all the bases of the established formula that had been in place since GF
    Exciting PTS
    Egomanical villian
    Big [blond] henchman who Bond has to do battle with
    Sacrificial Lamb (Paris)
    Couple of chase scenes
    Big climatic explosion, ticking clock
    Bond seduces the leading lady on or near a body of water at the end

    exactly... it felt very "paint by the numbers" to me

  • edited October 2011 Posts: 1,310
    I think Tomorrow Never Dies is a good time. Not great, mind you, but I enjoy it.

    The World Is Not Enough equates to average for me. I give it a 6/10.
  • Tomorrow Never dies is a okay Bond film. Nothing that will make you say it sucks, nothing that will make you say it's good either. I do credit the pacing in that film though - it moves very quick and tries to keep you engage in its typical WW3 story.

    Octopussy and A View to a Kill are probably the most Moore-esque films in Bond. The structure of it is so similar (even the story included some sort of Soviet involvement).
  • Agent007391Agent007391 Up, Up, Down, Down, Left, Right, Left, Right, B, A, Start
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    In my opinion, the most average Bonds are:

    Live and Let Die
    For Your Eyes Only
    Octopussy
    A View to a Kill
    Tomorrow Never Dies
    The World is Not Enough
    The latter half of Die Another Day - maybe (it's on the verge, kinda tipping toward average and above average, but not adhering to either)

    The Connery movies had the task of establishing what Bond would be, and so they're all above average.

    OHMSS was average for an action movie, but somewhat below average for a Bond movie (I often forget there's still forty minutes left when Tracy get's captured).

    The Man With the Golden Gun was a little too comedic for me, but I still liked it.

    The Spy Who Loved Me and Moonraker are both kind of "out there" for Bond, delving a little into the sci-fi range.

    I like the edginess (and the song) of The Living Daylights and License to Kill was a bold move to make Bond a rogue agent.

    GoldenEye established what the "modern" Bond would be - more action and slightly more sexual than the previous films, while still maintaining what made Bond good in the first place.

    Casino Royale and Quantum of Solace have kind of gone back to the early Connery films in that they're a somewhat continuing story. They're separate movies, and can be enjoyed independently, but a serialization mood has kind of set in, which harkens back to the Connery films when Bond was going up against SPECTRE.
  • It has to be AVTAK - the only saving grace was well nothing really and a criminal use of The first Avenger.
  • edited January 2013 Posts: 12,837
    most average for me was probably FYEO, decent enough and it was fun, but really nothing special.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
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    most average ... for me, maybe License to Kill or Moonraker
  • Posts: 4,762
    License to Kill is pretty average. Nothing fancy in the villain's plot, just a big drug deal with some Chinese guys and a plot for revenge. However, that doesn't mean it's not EPIC!
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    License to Kill is pretty average. Nothing fancy in the villain's plot, just a big drug deal with some Chinese guys and a plot for revenge. However, that doesn't mean it's not EPIC!
    I'm going to agree and disagree with you. I agree that LTK is epic! But I think it is not average. It's so unique in the line of Bond films. The use of Felix Lighter as a big plot point instead of a small cameo is brilliant (thank you Ian Fleming material).

    My most average Bond film is Tomorrow Never Dies. I like the film a lot, but you can create a checklist for every moment a Bond film should have and TND does them all and doesn't do any of them above average. The title is also that corny Bond title that Austin Powers would spoof. Not a bad film, but an average one
  • Posts: 1,894
    THE SPY WHO LOVED ME gets my vote. Nothing really happens. Despite Stormberg's plans to restart civilisation under the sea with a vast underwater city, we never actually see anything of it.
  • I think this'll do for tonight as it's getting late but i've got a few what you could classify as average Bond adventures

    Thunderball, You Only Live Twice, The Spy Who Loved Me, For Your Eyes Only, License to Kill, Goldeneye, maybe one or two others that have been omitted that would cause some debate but I'll leave it at that

    There's others like Live and Let Die and Daylights that rise above it and garbage can fare like Diamonds or QOS that fall below a middle level

  • Tomorrow Never Dies always strikes me as the most paint by number - the formula, little more or less.

    It is pretty much in the middle of my rankings too.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    Two spring to mind: YOLT & FYEO. Not very serious, not TOO OTT silly, simple plots, they just scream "OK" to me.
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
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    It has to be AVTAK - the only saving grace was well nothing really and a criminal use of The first Avenger.

    Double post!!! Quick, quick somebody bollock him!

    I think it's rare we have such a consensus on here as everybody seems to be plumping for TND as am I. There's nothing outstanding in it but it delivers everything you expect from a Bond film.

    Good to see Baltimore mentioning TB there. The biggest Bond of all? Not really. Fairly mundane despite its alleged 'epic scope'. I think some people confuse 'epic' with 'filmed in Panavision'. It's not bad and there are some good scenes but overall it's just a bit 'meh'.

    FYEO whilst a fairly solid entry has nothing that is really stand out but like TND you don't go away feeling short changed as it delivers everything you want. It's just there are quite a few films that do it better.
  • Have to agree with the majority of posts here: YOLT, TSWLM, FYEO and AVTAK are all up there. And I'll second the appreciation of Baltimore_007 for putting Thunderball out there!

    Personally I've never found Thunderball to be the 'edge-of-your-seat', 'rip-roaring' adventure it's often billed as being, I always find it the most boring of the lot! It's hard to maintain any interest when watching it as the story takes so long to move along that I just don't care by the second half.


  • Posts: 14,859
    Oh I LOVE TB and minus a few flaws it is way, way, way above average. Classic Bond girls, great memorable villains, a simple yet large scale plot, beautiful locations, a brilliant love triangle with Bond-Domino-Largo... FYEO, OP, they all are above average.

    I agree with many about TND: it is by the number and maybe the most average Bond movie. I think TWINE should be a contender too, for other reasons: some great ideas mixed with very bad ones and an overall poor execution.
  • Ludovico wrote:
    Oh I LOVE TB and minus a few flaws it is way, way, way above average. Classic Bond girls, great memorable villains, a simple yet large scale plot, beautiful locations, a brilliant love triangle with Bond-Domino-Largo... FYEO, OP, they all are above average.

    I agree with many about TND: it is by the number and maybe the most average Bond movie. I think TWINE should be a contender too, for other reasons: some great ideas mixed with very bad ones and an overall poor execution.

    Actually with you there on most of your points on Thunderball it does have great villains and girls, I just wish it was edited a lot tighter! It's that part when Bond and Felix keep flying over the Bahamas again and again searching for the bombs that loses me.

    And yeah TWINE.. it is just so bland and dull that I would actually put it as being below average, apart from the PTS and the Q farewell scene it doesn't have that many redeeming features
  • Posts: 14,859
    Ludovico wrote:
    Oh I LOVE TB and minus a few flaws it is way, way, way above average. Classic Bond girls, great memorable villains, a simple yet large scale plot, beautiful locations, a brilliant love triangle with Bond-Domino-Largo... FYEO, OP, they all are above average.

    I agree with many about TND: it is by the number and maybe the most average Bond movie. I think TWINE should be a contender too, for other reasons: some great ideas mixed with very bad ones and an overall poor execution.

    Actually with you there on most of your points on Thunderball it does have great villains and girls, I just wish it was edited a lot tighter! It's that part when Bond and Felix keep flying over the Bahamas again and again searching for the bombs that loses me.

    And yeah TWINE.. it is just so bland and dull that I would actually put it as being below average, apart from the PTS and the Q farewell scene it doesn't have that many redeeming features

    I even find the long bits of TB parts of its charm.

    Which Q farewell scene in TWINE? There was not really one. Had there been one it may have been above average. I think TWINE had better ideas than TND, even than GE, it dares more than they do... yet it is so flawed in the same time!
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    Ludovico wrote:

    I even find the long bits of TB parts of its charm.
    Me as well, I think it's above average for sheer charm & atmosphere. And of course, a SUPER-fine Connery performance.
  • Posts: 14,859
    chrisisall wrote:
    Ludovico wrote:

    I even find the long bits of TB parts of its charm.
    Me as well, I think it's above average for sheer charm & atmosphere. And of course, a SUPER-fine Connery performance.

    Yes, I would take TB over GF any day (and I loved GF).
  • MrBondMrBond Station S
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    The most average Bondfilms in my opinion is LALD and GF. They are two good Bondfilms but they don't offer anything directly special. Just a Bondfilm that follows the standard sheet.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    The Man With the Golden Gun. I watch it and I root for Scaramanga. It's just bland and meh. Glad TSWLM came around to refresh the series in 1977.
  • MrBond wrote:
    The most average Bondfilms in my opinion is LALD and GF. They are two good Bondfilms but they don't offer anything directly special. Just a Bondfilm that follows the standard sheet.

    Oooooh GF as average?? Controversial... haha It might seem average today because it pretty much served as the template from which most subsequent Bonds roughly followed
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