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Property of a Lady - could have worked?

QuarterdeckQuarterdeck
edited November 2011 in Skyfall Posts: 136
Well, given this M-centric story I wonder if this Fleming title could have worked after all?

Property of M? Property of HM Govt? etc

Did they think about it..or get cold feet and not think it up to the job?

Having said that, I am warming to SkyFall..although it misses the vital 3rd syllable of a Bond two-worder! Gold-fin-ger. etc. Given the comments today I suspect it will be a place/home...bit Citizen Kane/Rosebud?

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  • Samuel001Samuel001 Moderator
    Posts: 13,350
    Let's see how SkyFall fits into the story first. Both may have worked or perhaps, this was the only title for the 23rd Bond.
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
    edited November 2011 Posts: 13,894
    I still don't like SkyFall. It sounds like some cheap 90's action thriller, the kind that would have starred Eric Roberts and Shannon Tweed. Not impressed, not impressed at all. [-(
  • Samuel001Samuel001 Moderator
    Posts: 13,350
    It's only a title plus it's the meaning that counts. If that's good, all should be well.
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
    edited November 2011 Posts: 13,894
    I think the title is just as important as it's meaning. You could call a film, I don't know... The Cow Patters, and could have a deep meaning, but it doesn't make me want to see the film.
  • Samuel001Samuel001 Moderator
    edited November 2011 Posts: 13,350
    Whether you like it's title or not you will most likely see SkyFall regardless @MajorDSmythe. It's a Bond film.

    We really need the public's view about the title to judge if it's any good or not.
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
    edited November 2011 Posts: 13,894
    I'd rather trust my own judgement than that of johnny public.
  • Samuel001Samuel001 Moderator
    edited November 2011 Posts: 13,350
    I think i'd rather trust my own judgement than that of johnny public.
    I think you misunderstand me.

    You'll see the film as it's Bond, title or no title. You're a fan, or at least I think you are. You can have your own opinion but the public will provide a consensus as to whether they like SkyFall as a title or not. Time and their instant reaction will tell though even that will not likely may them miss the new Bond. Going by your logic Octopussy and Quantum Of Solace were also films poeple weren't looking forward to.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
    Posts: 5,977
    The funny thing is that, in 1983, the title Octopussy didn't raise an eyebrow. Can you imagine that being the case today?
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
    Posts: 13,894
    Going but your logic Octopussy and Quantum Of Solace were also films poeple weren't looking forward to.
    I fail to see how you came to that conclusion. No, that's not what I was saying. I can only speak for myself, hence my comment on trusting my own judgement over that of johnny public.
  • Samuel001Samuel001 Moderator
    edited November 2011 Posts: 13,350
    Going but your logic Octopussy and Quantum Of Solace were also films poeple weren't looking forward to.
    I fail to see how you came to that conclusion. No, that's not what I was saying. I can only speak for myself, hence my comment on trusting my own judgement over that of johnny public.
    Octopussy and Quantum Of Solace are not well liked titles by the public therefore they didn't look forward to them because as you said "I think the title is just as important as it's meaning." The public will always see Bond whatever the title and most fans don't really mind either what the films are called on the whole.

    To many Bond fans the meaning of the title within the context of the film is what counts the most even though you've already written SkyFall off without knowing what that is. If I were you, I'd wait to just see how in links in. Then go crazy about how bad a title it is, if you like.
  • HASEROTHASEROT has returned like the tedious inevitability of an unloved season---
    Posts: 4,399
    Skyfall gets my thumbs up of approval...

    i don't get how it sounds any better or worse than some of the Fleming titles - in my opinion, it falls right in line... it's not cliche' Bond sounding like "Tomorrow Never Dies" or "Die Another Day"
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
    Posts: 13,894
    Going but your logic Octopussy and Quantum Of Solace were also films poeple weren't looking forward to.
    I fail to see how you came to that conclusion. No, that's not what I was saying. I can only speak for myself, hence my comment on trusting my own judgement over that of johnny public.
    Octopussy and Quantum Of Solace are not well liked titles by the public therefore they didn't look forward to them because as you said "I think the title is just as important as it's meaning." The public will always see Bond whatever the title and most fans don't really mind either what the films are called on the whole.

    To many Bond fans the meaning of the title within the context of the film is what counts the most even though you've already written SkyFall off without knowing what that is.
    Considering we heard the title before it's context. I've read the numerous arguments against Risico (surrounding it's translation or lackthereof), but imo it sounds much better than SkyFall. Did it have to translate, Risico could just be the name of the mission. But whatever the meaning of SkyFall, imo it sounds just bland. Obviously i'll still see the film, but that's how I feel about the title.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
    Posts: 5,977
    I still think we'll be getting a Risico and a The Property of A Lady one of these days. I don't mind them being a bit stingy in doling out the few remaining titles.
  • QuarterdeckQuarterdeck
    edited November 2011 Posts: 136
    Well, Quantum does have meaning within the context of the film. As does Octopussy..and I'm not sure that one's much disliked.

    View to A Kill is a great title with rotten context....not sure where we're going here

    My original post was to suggest PoAL is still a 'goer' WITH context....admittedly based on my guesswork plotwise!
  • shadowonthesunshadowonthesun Banned
    Posts: 1,894
    "The Property of a Lady" probably could have worked. However, EON no doubt think "Skyfall" is more representative of the film.
  • OHMSS69OHMSS69
    Posts: 2,341
    I still don't like SkyFall. It sounds like some cheap 90's action thriller, the kind that would have starred Eric Roberts and Shannon Tweed. Not impressed, not impressed at all. [-(
    I had warmed to Property of a Lady and it could have well worked with the synopsis we keep hearing. Anyway, I guess like Andy Griffin's quote of Shakespeare "You can stop calling a rose a rose but you can't change the smell."
  • Gustav_GravesGustav_Graves
    Posts: 11,119
    Well, given this M-centric story I wonder if this Fleming title could have worked after all?

    Property of M? Property of HM Govt? etc

    Did they think about it..or get cold feet and not think it up to the job?

    Having said that, I am warming to SkyFall..although it misses the vital 3rd syllable of a Bond two-worder! Gold-fin-ger. etc. Given the comments today I suspect it will be a place/home...bit Citizen Kane/Rosebud?

    I think.........some 10 months ago.....I posted a topic in the old MI6-FORUM about single word titles for Bond 23. Because it was my feeling that to make a proper new Bond film, the plot should be more world threathening again. And the same with the villains. Why did the villains always need to match Bond´s age and Bond´s figure. And By then I already had the feeling that ´Thunderball´ and the look and feel of this movie could be a great leitmotif for Bond 23.

    I also think, this is actually what the Bond producers are starting to do again: Looking back to what made Connery´s Bond films big in the world....and not forcefully trying to write an original screenplay by only using new characters. TWINE was a start. CR even a 300% better follow-up. And now we have Bond 23. As I said numerous times the past 2 years: The Bond franchise needs another ´Thunderball´ again. A grandiose plot, but at the same time maintaining Craig´s serious interpretation of Bond.

    So, no ´Property Of A Lady´ for the moment.

    But you could do with this list of names:
    - ´Goldfinger´
    - ´Moonraker´
    - ´Thunderball´
    - ´Skyfall´
    - ´GoldenEye´
    - ´Octopussy´

    Suddenly, I don´t understand the comments like ´Ughh, it´s a videogame title´ anymore. In fact, I think Ian Fleming would have loved it. And he continues to give his approval in a weird way from the high heavens . B-)
  • JBFan626JBFan626
    edited November 2011 Posts: 1,497
    I like SkyFall. It's simple, has a mystery to it. It's not a tongue twister like Quantum of Solace

    I use to support Risico. But the more I think of it, the problem is in the pronunciation. When rolling out an international film of Bond calibre, you need something that rolls off the tongue. SkyFall isn't quite as bold as say, Casino Royale, but it works well enough for Bond.

    Property of the Lady is just too feminine. It maybe would have worked in the Moore era, but even then I would have expected it to be an Audrey Hepburn starring film.
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
    edited November 2011 Posts: 13,926
    Yes, perhaps POAL is better off left how it was in Octopussy.
  • thelivingroyalethelivingroyale
    edited May 2013 Posts: 12,837
    The only way i could've seen property of a lady working is if they had done a straight sequel to OHMSS instead of DAF. The title could relate to how bond isn't letting tracy go and he's still basically her property. It could've also worked instead of QOS.
  • Baltimore_007Baltimore_007
    Posts: 5,634
    Got to agree that POAL isin't really appropriate for a Craig Bond release, the title may have fit in in past adventures but from a 2012 perspective something stands out as a title that's best not suited to todays 007 climate. Skyfall is adequate if that is the word, they could of done worse and improved by the same token, we still await to see the true meaning of what they decided on etc
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
    Posts: 17,803
    I'd still like to see this title used at some point as I think it would fit in well with the more intense drama of the Daniel Craig era.
  • 007InVT007InVT Classified
    Posts: 893
    I think a good Bond title needs to be Fleming-esque without going to b-movie action like the Benson titles. Gardner had some great ones in 'License Renewed', 'Nobody Lives Forever', and 'For Special Services'.

    Skyfall for me is ok, not great but not awful like 'Die Another Day'.
  • Sir_James_MoloneySir_James_Moloney
    Posts: 388
    007InVT wrote:
    I think a good Bond title needs to be Fleming-esque without going to b-movie action like the Benson titles. Gardner had some great ones in 'License Renewed', 'Nobody Lives Forever', and 'For Special Services'.

    Yes, I only read one of his novels and wasn't a huge fan but some of his titles were great.
  • Perilagu_KhanPerilagu_Khan
    Posts: 2,483
    POAL sounds very old-fashioned and a bit stuffy, but I still like it. I somehow doubt those under the age of 40 would find much use for it, however.

    Having said that, POAL would have fit with SF's plot perfectly. I think that much is obvious and needs no explanation.
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
    Posts: 17,803
    Perilagu_Khan wrote:
    POAL sounds very old-fashioned and a bit stuffy, but I still like it. I somehow doubt those under the age of 40 would find much use for it, however.

    Having said that, POAL would have fit with SF's plot perfectly. I think that much is obvious and needs no explanation.

    But then Casino Royale and Quantum of Solace both sounded old-fashioned too - the old-fashioned titles are all part of the Bond series' appeal.
  • LudovicoLudovico
    Posts: 14,824
    Perilagu_Khan wrote:
    POAL sounds very old-fashioned and a bit stuffy, but I still like it. I somehow doubt those under the age of 40 would find much use for it, however.

    Having said that, POAL would have fit with SF's plot perfectly. I think that much is obvious and needs no explanation.

    That said, it could fit perfectly a new movie, as long as the Queen is alive.
  • Perilagu_KhanPerilagu_Khan
    Posts: 2,483
    Dragonpol wrote:
    Perilagu_Khan wrote:
    POAL sounds very old-fashioned and a bit stuffy, but I still like it. I somehow doubt those under the age of 40 would find much use for it, however.

    Having said that, POAL would have fit with SF's plot perfectly. I think that much is obvious and needs no explanation.

    But then Casino Royale and Quantum of Solace both sounded old-fashioned too - the old-fashioned titles are all part of the Bond series' appeal.

    Oh, I agree. As I said, I like the title.

  • Perilagu_KhanPerilagu_Khan
    Posts: 2,483
    Ludovico wrote:
    Perilagu_Khan wrote:
    POAL sounds very old-fashioned and a bit stuffy, but I still like it. I somehow doubt those under the age of 40 would find much use for it, however.

    Having said that, POAL would have fit with SF's plot perfectly. I think that much is obvious and needs no explanation.

    That said, it could fit perfectly a new movie, as long as the Queen is alive.

    Sure. In fact, there are all sorts of ways POAL could fit a plot.

  • RogueAgentRogueAgent
    Posts: 12,506
    I think the 3 remaining titles are good titles. They just have to be worked into a story that's all. Whether it is a throw away line or somebodies name.....etc. Personally I would love to see the titles used within the next say 4 or 5 movies.
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