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Was SPECTRE a disappointment?

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  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    LeonardPine wrote: »
    SomethingThatAteHim wrote: »
    My issue with the color grading isn’t how it looks on an individual scene basis, it’s that the gold filtering is applied to every scene making the mood and feel of every location feel the same. Also the gold filtering feels a little less purposeful to me knowing that that’s kinda van Hoytema’s personal stamp on everything he was shooting then (I think he’s gotten better in recent years).

    The colour grading doesn't bother me. The 'script' however...

    Neither bothers me. The look of the film perfectly reflects the themes of death and loneliness that permeate the film. The script, while not without its flaws, is not a big problem for me either. I truly enjoy SP.
  • Mathis1Mathis1
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    Watched it again yesterday, in 4k!
    Still enjoy it a lot! The pts is simply awesome!
  • Jordo007Jordo007 Merseyside
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    Spectre has one of the best pts in the series in my mind, Craig's swagger as Bond is only matched by early Connery. The pts score is superb too
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited July 14 Posts: 18,535
    I guess I wanted something a bit more from the helicopter action, although it's very good really; I suppose I was just expecting Bond to give us that little bit extra. Up until then, yeah, it's absolutely great. To think that Craig was doing all of that with effectively a broken leg is kind of mind-boggling.
  • 007HallY007HallY
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    Jordo007 wrote: »
    Spectre has one of the best pts in the series in my mind, Craig's swagger as Bond is only matched by early Connery. The pts score is superb too

    The walk and long take is pretty great. I've had criticisms about it in the past. You can argue, for example, that it's all style and not much substance, or that they could have started at a later point just as easily, probably with Bond already on the roof.

    Honestly though, f*ck that. It looks cool, the music's great, Craig's swagger is wonderful to watch, and it's such a classic Bond scenario. It's a great way of communicating Bond's back and on top form after SF.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Yeah I don't get anyone saying it's style over substance: that's the whole point of Bond. Goldfinger isn't a deep film, but it's damned cool and looks and sounds great.
  • 007HallY007HallY
    edited July 14 Posts: 5,589
    mtm wrote: »
    Yeah I don't get anyone saying it's style over substance: that's the whole point of Bond. Goldfinger isn't a deep film, but it's damned cool and looks and sounds great.

    It's something I would have said not long ago. But it looks great, tells you what you need to know about Bond at this point (and to some extent what type of bond film we're going to see), and it gets the film going with style. And if it gets that invested, emotional reaction from the audience the creative choice has done its job.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited July 14 Posts: 18,535
    I was reading the earlier script draft of it a little while ago, and I had a very different reaction to the people on James Bond and Friends podcast when they talked about the same thing. The early draft has Bond blow up the building then chase Sciarra into an old school or something, where he sneaks around and meets a load of blokes playing cards, kills them, does a naff joke about smoking, some weird MI6 comedy character turns up in a Heineken truck, which Bond then drives through a wall, chases Sciarra some more... they all thought it was a shame it didn't get filmed because more stuff went on in it, but I thought it was a really lumpy sequence full of starts and stops. The PTS we have builds up rather gracefully and is a proper sweep of action and tension leading up to the helicopter stunts: it's a really nicely-handled sequence.

    And yeah, like you say, it's full of style- the parade was such a good idea. I know it cost megabucks but it makes the whole sequence. Bond stalking Sciarra through it is really nice and tense. I think Bond was going to chase him more at full speed, but Craig couldn't really run because of his leg injury, so it became more cat and mouse and I think it really works. There are shots where Bond is sprinting at full pelt, and if you look closely you can see it's a double in a Craig mask, obscured by various market stalls etc.
  • Reflsin2bourbonsReflsin2bourbons
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    The only flaw in the pre-title sequence is that Bond has his jacket buttoned for the whole time!
  • MalloryMallory
    edited July 15 Posts: 2,306
    I just wish the whole PTS looked as vibrant and colourful as the BTS footage of them shooting it is.

    Hoyte is a fantastic cinematographer but imo Spectre is not his best work.
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