Where should Literary Bond go from here?

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  • Posts: 14,816
    Risico007 wrote: »
    I see the ideas are all over the board I do have an idea. No matter what there will always be a shadow but what if we had 2 adult bond Series.


    Hear me out

    The First Set starting with Trigger Morits is by Anthony Horowitz and is set in the 50's and 60's

    the Second (perhaps starting in 2017) Could be by lets say Brad Meltzer (who is my favorite modern thriller writer) and set in the modern day with say the event of the film Casino Royale being the backstory for this new 007.

    and each year we would get one from one series so Starting in 2017 we would get say
    The Blood Lies By Brad Meltzer (a title I came up with in the vein of his titles)
    2018
    The Rough and the Smooth by Anthony Horrowitz set in the 1960's
    2019
    Blofeld By Brad Meltzer (a decent name for a continuation novel not so much for a film)
    2020
    The Ey that never sleeps By Horrowitz

    etc

    I think this way we

    A) get more bond novels

    and

    B) get the best of both worlds.


    I think it could be fantastic and let us all enjoy the novels.

    If the movies cast a large shadow, they might as well embrace it. They could also do graphic novels in the current movie continuity. And they could re-adapt the original novels in new graphic novels, with modern artists.
  • edited January 2016 Posts: 4,622
    @dracula I do believe if you were to read what you quote, you would see that @risico is actaully proposing ideas for the continuation of original continuation stories, not adaptations of Eon or Fleming.
    In case you missed it there are already numerous continuation novels in play.
    Lets get you up to speed with the rest of us.
    We have:
    1 Amis
    1 John Pearson
    14 Gardners
    6 Bensons
    5 Higson Young Bond's
    1 Cole Young Bond
    3 Weinberg MP Diaries
    1 Faulks
    1 Deaver
    1. Boyd
    1 Horowitz

    That adds up to 37 original continuation novels, although some might quibble my inclusion of Pearson and Weinberg as actual Bond novelists.

    Plus we have 7 combined screenplay novelizations from Wood, Gardner and Benson, plus original comic book treatments.

    How best to continue with fresh original stories is the matter at hand.

    Because movies cast shadow over books, doesn't really matter.
    37 already published titles attests to this, with another Cole YB.

    Darkhorse is publishing new treatments of the Fleming stories btw. Not sure what purist appeal they might have, meantime there is the matter of how to continue with new original stories, of which you have no experience of nor interest in, yet here you are.
  • Posts: 14,816
    @Timmer
    the Second (perhaps starting in 2017) Could be by lets say Brad Meltzer (who is my favorite modern thriller writer) and set in the modern day with say the event of the film Casino Royale being the backstory for this new 007.

    I understand this as using current movie continuity as basis for new novels, but please enlighten me if I'm wrong.

    I am glad about Darkhorse. As for this thread, it is called "where should literary Bond go from here", so I guess we can talk about any way Bond can appear in literature, it does not specifically say continuations. Graphic novels should count, surely, so should criticism. Also stage adaptation, although I understand it would open another can of worms so it's highly unlikely someone would risk it (there's enough controversies going about casting a new Bond).
  • edited January 2016 Posts: 4,622
    @dracula Yes you are wrong, unless you are talking about new original stories, then welcome aboard. If such a foundation (CR06) for fresh new stories does indeed happen then welcome aboard. Happy reading. In the meantime, I recommend Horowitz.

    Not sure what stage adaptation has to do with literary Bond. Baby steps.
  • edited January 2016 Posts: 14,816
    timmer wrote: »
    @dracula Yes you are wrong, unless you are talking about new original stories, then welcome aboard. If such a foundation (CR06) for fresh new stories does indeed happen then welcome aboard. Happy reading. In the meantime, I recommend Horowitz.

    Not sure what stage adaptation has to do with literary Bond. Baby steps.

    Literary Bond=Bond in literature. It did not specify continuations exclusively. Stage is part of literature. But I guess you are just trolling.
  • Posts: 4,622
    @shakespeare Thank you. I know when I'm beat. Sigh.
  • Posts: 14,816
    timmer wrote: »
    @shakespeare Thank you. I know when I'm beat. Sigh.

    No timmer you won. I am officially tired of your f*cking trolling and your whole sanctimonious attitude. Which was triggered by a post of mine in an entirely different thread.
  • edited January 2016 Posts: 4,622
    Persecution Complex?
    I am officially tired
    @obessed Take a vacation then. Get out of the castle! Maybe read a continuation novel and offer critique. Again I recommend Horowitz.
    You can have last word. You are getting cranky. Stage,literature,whatever......
  • Posts: 14,816
    No that's all right, I am no longer a Catholic, I stopped feeling guilty or persecuted. Right now it's just irritation at your vindictive behavior. It does get tiresome. Well, as long as you don't suggest I'd get penetrated by the Holy Ghost and filled with the Spirit, I guess I shouldn't complain...
  • edited January 2016 Posts: 4,622
    @birdleson. No thanks, he's an unsocialized boor who obsesses over religion.
    But I do plead guilty to provoking him. Not actually intentionally, but I realize my chiding about his ignorance of continuation authors, did set him off.
    But that's all I am guilty of. If one reviews the thread, he is the only one dragging his religious hangups into here. I have ignored his attempts at baiting.
    But yes, I am guilty of provoking him regarding the matter of continuation authors.
    I do find it amazing though that someone who has no interest or experience of continuation authors, needs to wade into a thread like this, and lecture on the futility of it all, when 37 books are already out and about, with promises of more to come.
    I think that horse left the barn, like in 1968. Might have even been a good rant back in say 1981, when Gardner was just getting started, but I think we are long past that.
    Continuation authors are part of the Bond culture for better or worse. I pick better.
    I do realize that those of us that read the books are a bit of a subculture, as the films really are what dominate the Bond landscape, followed by the Fleming original novels.
    I think on this board, all of us, and from a wide variety of vocations, ages, nationalities, interests, beliefs, politics etc, know the films inside out, and a good chunk, but not all, know the Fleming books, and then there is our continuation-novel subset which is not really that big I don't think, and another group which might actually be bigger, that knows the evolution of the various 007 video games, and then of course there is the Bond music.
    Personally , beyond the films and the Fleming books, I do like the continuation novels. I have read and own them all (but for Boyd's Solo -read but not purchased)
    So in the interests of decorum, I will studiously ignore and take pains to not respond to anything further scribbled by @rasputin (yes, mea culpa, one last shot) about anything at all in this thread, including the actual thread topic, and will refrain from poking the bear any further.

    As for the actual topic, its one I am obviously vested in, but I don't have anything further to add at this point, so I am happy to step aside for now, until something in the discussion peaks my Bond continuation-lit interest further.
  • Posts: 9,766
    after I finnish Brad Meltzer's The Inner circle I plan on reading Daniel Silva's The Heist perhaps he could do a modern bond thriller?

    http://danielsilvabooks.com/

    thoughts?
  • Posts: 9,766
    Bumping up this thread t put forth another author

    James Patterson writer of the Alex Cross series I am going to buy and eventually read toys (his first spy novel) perhaps he could have a go for a modern take on 007?
  • Posts: 520
    IFP could well continue to play the celebrity game. If they can attract a big name the curiosity factor drives sales.
    That said pre Horowitz, the choices of Faulks, Deaver and Boyd all proved to be disappointing and doubtless the critical and commercial success of Horowitz is making them consider.
    Personally I would like AH to continue in his current time line. I think he spins a good yarn and understands what makes for a compelling Bond novel. He also isn't pretentious and doesn't use 007 as a vehicle to try and write the ' Great Spy Novel'. Something that I think Boyd did and which misfired greatly.
    One thing however that I think AH should do is take more care over period details. There were one or two quite obvious faux pas in Trigger Mortis and they detracted from the fun of it.
  • Posts: 520
    The lack of news regarding a second Bond novel from Horowitz makes me think it's not going to happen.
    If we are going back on the celebrity bandwagon literary aficionados should maybe start to give IFP the benefit of their advice.
    For my part, I'd definitely plump for either Charles Cumming or Philip Kerr.
    Cumming is one of the best of the new spy writers and Kerr's Gunther novels are absolutely amazing.
  • edited June 2016 Posts: 9,766
    Daniel Silva in my opinion should do the next bond novel half way through the heist and it's fantastic.

    New article

    http://metro.co.uk/2016/06/02/move-over-daniel-craig-anthony-horowitz-could-be-bringing-bond-back-5920023/
  • Posts: 520
    Risico007 wrote: »
    Daniel Silva in my opinion should do the next bond novel half way through the heist and it's fantastic.

    New article

    http://metro.co.uk/2016/06/02/move-over-daniel-craig-anthony-horowitz-could-be-bringing-bond-back-5920023/

    Risico007,
    I am a huge Daniel Silva fan and I do think he could do a good Bond book.
    If I had a third choice it would be him his Allon books are great and there is something Flemingesque about them.
    That said, is he as good as Cumming or Kerr ? Perhaps, but he hasn't got the selling power this side of the Atlantic (UK) and that counts. IFP have to get the numbers.
  • Posts: 4,622
    I trust IFP will come up with a way to keep Horowitz who does seem interested in continuing.
    Meanwhile the new Steve Cole Young Bond books are really good.
    I am devouring the 2nd one now, Heads You Die.
    Bond is now almost 16, quite formidable and is beginning to have an understanding of his destiny. He is already on the British Intelligence radar.
    The key difference between these new Cole books and the original 5-book Higson run, is that Bond is becoming Bond. This older "young Bond" embraces the adventurous life. He knows its his calling and is keen to develop skills, whereas Higson's younger Bond was forced to react to situations that fell upon him. It was a little far-fetched but with Cole's Bond, what befalls him has a more organic feel, more of a natural Bond becoming Bond vibe.
  • Posts: 9,766
    I am 5 chapters into Carte Blanche and I honestly love it maybe after Solo my expectations were low or maybe my expectations were too high...

    Anyways I still say that there should be a modern bond novel by Daniel Silva or Lee Child next year... My opinion only but I prefer bond set in the modern era. I will ready trigger Mortis at some point (heck if horrowitz stays on and writes a few modern bond thrillers I would even be ok with that)
  • Posts: 4,622
    Horowitz and Steve Cole might be the new IFP team...Cole gives Horowitz a credit/nod in latest YB, Heads You Die, which is a real good read.
    I like that YB is very much on the Secret Service radar now, and that he does have a sense of his destiny

    The 3rd Cole YB is already being worked so this is good direction for series.
    Need to get Horowitz going again. too.
    Adult Bond lit, is stuck in mud just like lazy movie series
  • Posts: 9,766
    Sigh what about Horowitz writing modern bond thrillers? Would everyone be ok with that?
  • edited July 2016 Posts: 4,622
    Yes I would prefer Horowitz write modern Bond
    thrillers.
    The old days are covered well enough. Amis Faulks Boyd have all done '60s post Fleming stories...Pearson too.
    Modern 30yrs Bond is what I would like . Just keep him perennially at correct age, crank a new title out every year and away we go.
    Meanwhile Cole can keep writing his pre Fleming Bonds, as he writes them well, but fresh adult Bond adventures is best
  • TripAcesTripAces Universal Exports
    Posts: 4,554
    As @Ludovico suggested, the direction literary Bond needs to take is the one we are seeing: graphic novels, even with Fleming's novels reworked as graphic novels. This is the wave of the future. Embrace it.
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
    Posts: 17,779
    timmer wrote: »
    Yes I would prefer Horowitz write modern Bond
    thrillers.
    The old days are covered well enough. Amis Faulks Boyd have all done '60s post Fleming stories...Pearson too.
    Modern 30yrs Bond is what I would like . Just keep him perennially at correct age, crank a new title out every year and away we go.
    Meanwhile Cole can keep writing his pre Fleming Bonds, as he writes them well, but fresh adult Bond adventures is best

    The Kingsley Amis, John Gardner and Raymond Benson Method then. Of course I concur.
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy My Secret Lair
    Posts: 13,384
    I too would be very happy to see Horowitz continuing the novels.
  • Posts: 9,766
    For me and just me (and this will be extremly controversial I know) but I would like what I call a mixture of Deaver and Mendes style.. In the new book we meet a 38 year old 007 who has dealt with certain of Fleming's characters and villains in the last 8 years (so Drax would be a Neo-nazi Le Chiffe would be the movie counterpart etc) and just take your original story from there. Maybe even use an unused Fleming title that the producers don't want like Blofeld or The Rough with Smooth etc and there you go based your M Moneypenny and Q off the film versions (which I feel benson did) and there you go.

    I hate period piece bond novels and film ideas because Fleming never wanted that and I don't think it should start now.
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
    Posts: 17,779
    I too would be very happy to see Horowitz continuing the novels.

    As would I. Horowitz should do a series of Bond novels like Gardner and Benson before him. I'm not especially worried about the time setting of his novels either although I do prefer contemporary set Bond novels over period pieces, simply because they are more authentic of their times.

  • Posts: 7,653
    Undoubtedly were Horowitz to continue his next book would be called "Blofeld" just to keep the symmetry of his Sherlock books.

    I would read it.
  • WalecsWalecs On Her Majesty's Secret Service
    Posts: 3,157
    Risico007 wrote: »
    I hate period piece bond novels and film ideas because Fleming never wanted that and I don't think it should start now.

    Solo and Trigger Mortis were period pieces and both were much better than Carte Blanche or John Gardner novels.
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy My Secret Lair
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    Only my opinion obviously but I thought Solo was terrible. :(
  • Posts: 9,766
    Solo was so bad I haven't picked up trigger Mortis because of it (I will pick up the paper back in September) devil may care was also garbage and is a period piece.
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