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The fresh/rotten ratio is 61%
The average critic rating is 6.5
The average "top critic" rating is 67%
So it's quite consistent if you ask me.
Furthermore the "top critic" rating can be omitted as it is highly subjective to decide who is or is not a top critic.
In any case, my initial fear has become true that the ratings will drop, it's a downwards spiral now.
In my opinion the critics should give their age. I'm very certain most of the bad critics are young people that have grown up to CR QOS and SF and detest anything resembling Brosnan or Moore style. And Spectre has a lot of those.
Every aspect of this film.gets criticised....and is basically always connected with a bit of previous negative news surrounding the production of "SPECTRE".
Some of the narrative from recent reviews:
--> "Daniel Craig as Bond is bland in this film, and perhaps he should quit after this"....basically referring to Craig's remarks in the press that he doesn't give a 'shit' about playing Bond. I think it enforced the negative narrative that kicked in with the SonyLeaks.
--> "The writing, especially in the 2nd half, is all over the place. You now understand why they did so many rewrites.".....basically referring to that damned draft screenplay from the SonyLeaks.
--> "Those action sequences.....we've all seen it before. The new standard now for action is 'Fast & Furious' and 'Ethan Hunt'...not Bond."....okay, so let me set things straight? It's all.....unoriginal shit? It's all boring and CGI-porn...even worse than "Furious 7"?
--> "Those disgusting octopus-porn main title sequences.....Bond is still stuck in the 1950's with this kind of extreme sexism."......by jolly, you're basically, in hindsight, destroying all those elements that have made Bond big over the past 53 years?
--> "The acting in this film completely disappoints.....if it's Craig, or Waltz, or Seydoux...they all portray empty shells.".....Yes, "Furious 7" by those comparisons was an Oscar-heavy drama. For fuck sake.
--> "All this globetrotting, those beautiful costumes, they make me sick, because they are all dress-up for a very weak Bond film.".....How can you say this....if that has always been the pivotal quality of the franchise.
I am so sorry, but recent reviews.......they are basically indirectly saying: "Bond is dead. Bye". The James Bond franchise doesn't deserve this. I really have a feeling all these damned SonyLeaks, in hindsight, did create a negative narrative and really lowered a lot of sympathy for the franchise, for the Bond producers, and for Daniel Craig. And I will be even more curious what I will think of the film tomorrow.
Sorry, 60%? Really, in Holland, here in Spain, in the UK they loved the film. Okay, the reviews would never be that strong as those for "Skyfall" and "Casino Royale". But I at LEAST expected a "Certified Fresh" rating of 78% to 86%. A bit like.........how the goodwill for "The Dark Knight" helped the reviews for "The Dark Knight Rises".
But 60%? This must feel like a blow for Daniel Craig as well :-(.
"You say tomato, I say tomahto!"
To paraphrase the actor I'd like to think he doesn't give a shit!
Is he over in the US for any promo?
If it makes a billion and something, the rating can be 30%, it doesn't matter.
But if it doesn't hit the billion by a large margin, Spectre is in serious trouble to become Craig's DAD, DAF or AVTAK.
After what I've experienced today though, I'm pretty sure Spectre will make the billion easy.
Really everybody I was talking to this evening told me they found Spectre to be much better than Skyfall!
I'm sorry.......actors are also in real-life good actors. Do you REALLY believe Daniel Craig doesn't give a shit? Do you really believe Daniel Craig doesn't give a shit when certain colleagues on set tell him "Hey Daniel, did you know that Amy Pascal from Sony wants Idris Elba to take over from you?" ?
Off course you do. If during EVER interview you're being asked about how you think about another actor, INSTEAD of receiving questions about your own portrayal, then sooner or looter you become a loose canon, a 'George Lazenby 2.0'. But off course you start uttering remarks like "I'd rather slash my wrists than playing Bond again".
One should not take things out of perspective. And Daniel Craig is well-known for his honest opinion...and his 'street talk' during interviews. But every interview I've seen so far.....made me all feel a bit uncomfortable. The happiness from previous Bond productions was not really present when I heard Daniel Craig talking.
It all saddens me how much fucked up shit those damned SonyLeaks have caused during production of "SPECTRE". And to be honest? I DO care. I loved Craig's previous three outings as Bond. I feel immensely sad about how certain reviewers talk about Daniel Craig.
You know, with "Quantum Of Solace" I fully accepted the rather lacklustre reviews for that film. But if even this review is completely slamming down Sam Mendes, then I'm starting to think......no way. And the worst thing of it all is that in hindsight even "Skyfall" gets reviewed again, with far worse critiques!:
http://www.npr.org/2015/11/05/453959502/spectre-pleads-the-case-for-bonds-relevance-in-the-drone-age?utm_medium=RSS&utm_campaign=movies
UNdeserved!
It is pretty bizarre to see Spectre in company with those films. The difference in the quality of the acting and production is just ridiculous!
I also don't notice many reviews slating him. That Observer review describes the Bond series as interminable in quite a disparaging manner. Let's face it the US seems to be putting the boot into Bond itself rather than SPECTRE specifically.
Craig, Mendes and EON will decide their future from the box office take. Will it break even, will the profit be enough to justify another big budget follow up etc.
I'm also stopping by the bookstore in hopes of purchasing James Bond #1 Vargr.
I know I will enjoy.
Bittersweet a bit since first Bond film without my dad especially since Craig made one he probably would have liked.
(He saw and liked SF but he was very sick at the time..)
Anyway sorry ...but that's the difference between Bond and MI ...there's no sentimentality with MI ..no history. And I really don't like Bourne.
It does matter:
http://www.ew.com/article/2015/11/05/box-office-preview-spectre-peanuts-movie
With a theater count of 3,927, and a production budget of +$300 Million, you can not just say "Ooowh, "SPECTRE" will probably open with a weekend of $70-$75 Million. That's simply disappointing. It means the movie in the USA won't have legs to at least show longevity. It also means that, despite the profits, the average turn-over will be quite disappointing. Take into account the opening weekend of "Quantum Of Solace", which was $68 Million, and look at the price inflation of tickets, then an opening weekend of $70-$75 Million would, at least within the confinements of the offices of Gary Barber, Michael Lynton, Barbara Broccoli & Michael Wilson, would be a disappointment.
BUT....I'm ending on an optimistic note. It will open better this weekend than some very conservative predictions of $70-$75 Million. Soaring past the $80 Million must be possible. But like I said, I predicted before (@BondJamesBond007 too ;-) ) I will be SO SO SO wrong with my previous predictions.
I agree, the money spent can be seen on the screen in Spectre.
Imagine that kind of budget for already good movies like GoldenEye, The Spy Who Loved Me or Licence To Kill.
Spectre is by far, by far! the best Bond movie ever when it comes to production quality.
Alone the PTS is unbelievable if you think about it. Imagine what kind of logistics nightmare that must have been to get everything right.
I hope it will make more than a billion and Bond 25 will get another 300 million budget.
And I'm eating my own words now, because I was criticising EON for that budget a lot. To my own defense, that opinion resulted from QOS which was insanely expensive as well and you don't see it on the screen.
Well they are coming in on the very low end. Boxofficemojo predicts 82.5, Boxoffice.com predicts 85. Fandango.com presales are "trending closely" to Skyfall.
I don't think so anymore.....:
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/news/?id=4119&p=.htm
And it's the most positive new projection I've seen so far. Previously I thought it would well soar past the $115 Million. How wrong I could have been.
With such an impressive theater count increase (from 3,500 for "SF" to 3,927 for "SP") you simply need to outperform the $88.3 Million opening weekend of "Skyfall". It seems that even that is not going to happen. And although this will result in good profits, financial analysts at MGM/Sony/EON will say that the turnover will be way more disappointing.
My turn to repay the favour and agree with you! Yes you certainly do see all the budget of SPECTRE up on the screen. Babs and her father before her said they always strove for that but as you say with QOS it wasn't there on the screen. With SPECTRE you have the huge scope of the old Bond films.
I love the shot when Sciarra runs with the helicopter above him and then it cuts to the square and you see just how massive the crowd is. Staggering.
I'm pleased you liked SPECTRE @BondJasonBond006 and now appreciate why some of us in the UK were scratching our heads at some of the bad reviews.
It's not a perfect Bond film but it's well made and hugely enjoyable. If this had been Craig's debut film I ironically think the US press may have lapped it up more.
http://www.tri-cityherald.com/entertainment/movies-news-reviews/mr-movie/article43224756.html
I mean, I don't mind reading bad reviews. Especially not if the movie really isn't good. No worries, no hard feelings. But writings like the one above....kind of...hurts me as a Bond fan. The writer basically, indirectly says: Bond is obsolete. Please quite with the franchise. I really find that...hard to swallow...as a Bond fan :-(.
In all fairness, and without having seen SP, I think that (what the critic is referring to above) is what SF was able to so deftly avoid (for the masses) with its plot and approach. It was rather fresh for a spy film imho and prevented direct comparisons to other franchises. It took a few curves here and there and that made it feel different from MI-GP.
I hope SP can similarly differentiate from MI-RN tomorrow for me.
It's hard not to feel a bit hurt or insulted by some of these bad reviews, especially for people like us, who hold the Bond franchise so close to our hearts. But it's also important to remember that this is just the opinion of a FEW people and we can easily take a bunch of 5 star reviews for spectre and pick out quotes that praise the movie.
I happen to quite enjoy Moonraker and TMWTGG, but I know there are TONS of people even on this here forum that consider both of those movies to be a steaming pile of shit. And that's fine, because at the end of the day all that matters is how YOU feel and whether you enjoy it or not. It's important not to let other peoples opinions get in the way of your own enjoyment.