The James Bond Wardrobe/Style Thread

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  • Posts: 14,906
    Sark wrote: »
    That's a fair criticism. However with Bond his clothing is such an important part of the character. No one remembers what Jack Reacher or Ethan Hunt wears, everyone remembers what Bond wears.

    An honest question: what do people here think will be said about the very tight look of Craig's SF suits in 20 years time?

    No idea about what will they will say.

    I know Bond's clothes is an important part of the character. Of any character, in fact. I do find some of say Moore's suits questionable. I thought Connery's clothes in DAF were often horrible, and however I love OHMSS I found the bouffant shirts poor decision. The tight suit in SF is a far lesser evil. If anything, he wore a suit that was too tight that day because that's the only thing he had available in his wardrobe.

    But his elegance should be a sober one and susceptible to change when circumstances demand it. I thought for instance that his shirt in the parkour sequence of CR was spot on: he needed to blend in a crowd. For too many casual viewers and maybe even some fans, it seems that Bond should wear a tuxedo all the time (and live on Martinis).
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    @roko Bingo!
  • Posts: 260
    talos7 wrote: »
    @roko Bingo!

    Really?

    I think is a extreme over the top sensitivity, and there really hasn't been much disrespect excepting about two people. 99% of the posters have been reasoned and civil.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    @doghouse Exactly, and that has had an affect on this entire topic.
  • Posts: 260
    talos7 wrote: »
    @doghouse Exactly, and that has had an affect on this entire topic.

    I'm not sure how you can say exactly to me and bingo to him given we have just posited completely opposite views.

    If two people are affecting the thread, it seems more incumbent on the people who are not ignoring them. Just don't pay any attention if it bothers you that much.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    doghouse wrote: »
    talos7 wrote: »
    @doghouse Exactly, and that has had an affect on this entire topic.

    I'm not sure how you can say exactly to me and bingo to him given we have just posited completely opposite views.

    If two people are affecting the thread, it seems more incumbent on the people who are not ignoring them. Just don't pay any attention if it bothers you that much.

    Well that's unfortunate that you can't see that roko's post focuses on the two opposing positions, that you see as two individuals who have been disrespectful ;you validate his viewpoint. He also acknowledges that it extends to the supporters of each. With that I done with this.

  • Posts: 260
    talos7 wrote: »
    doghouse wrote: »
    talos7 wrote: »
    @doghouse Exactly, and that has had an affect on this entire topic.

    I'm not sure how you can say exactly to me and bingo to him given we have just posited completely opposite views.

    If two people are affecting the thread, it seems more incumbent on the people who are not ignoring them. Just don't pay any attention if it bothers you that much.

    Well that's unfortunate that you can't see that roko's post focuses on the two opposing positions, that you see as two individuals who have been disrespectful ;you validate his viewpoint. He also acknowledges that it extends to the supporters of each. With that I done with this.

    I'm saying there aren't two opposing positions. That's a fallacy, though typical of the binary argumentation of humans these days, especially on the internet. There are a couple people who are rude, and that is the long and short of it. Everyone else is just discussing their particular view and/or sharing information. Positing all that other stuff is just melodrama.
  • Posts: 1,552
    Can we concentrate on wardrobe, rather than "he said, she said" arguments?
  • Posts: 315
    Like a few of said here, many of us can only window shop on Saville Row and will never be able to afford to even step thru the door. Has anyone here been measured? But I do enjoy the designers who scramble to be the 'tailor of Bond'. I also hope Bond's fashions remain true to his British character. I wonder if wears a crewneck or V-neck sweater at some point? Since his watch and car are government-issued and his flat seems relatively non descript, his wardrobe and culinary tastes may be his chief vices. I'll take that.

    I'm destined to only buy off the rack, but still have located the best places for leather bomber jackets, cufflinks and watches at reasonable prices.
  • Posts: 260
    Part of the communication breakdown seems to be the argument that non fitting is fashion, which isn't correct. Note these examples are for current leading fashion, not that Bond should be in any of this stuff (I can see those responses already).

    Here on the right is Michael Browne of C&M, who is a fashion leader, sporting an evening jacket he made which is a narrow lapel, form fitting garment. It also fits beautifully.

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    Here's another where you are starting to see the trend going away from overly slim back to larger lapels and more robust cuts. Again, a immaculate fit.

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    Here's one of Kent Wang, who is partners with HVNMINN, both of who are very much fashion leaders. You can see the form fit in the trousers, concurrently with balancing in the jackets with nice lapels and reasonable room.

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    The key in all these shots is different stylistic choices, but they all fit properly.


    Now the discussion over how fashionable Bond can be is a parallel conversation, and they seem to jump back and forth over each other with people reply to both, one, or the other, to much confusion and gnashing of teeth.

  • Posts: 260
    FLeiter wrote: »
    Has anyone here been measured?

    I am a Savile Row customer.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited February 2015 Posts: 23,883
    doghouse wrote: »
    I am a Savile Row customer.

    My compliments @doghouse.

    RE: the photos above, all immaculate fits as you say. At the risk of confusing the discussion again, I do take issue with what appears to be a lack of hosiery in the last photo however. :)
  • Posts: 260
    bondjames wrote: »
    doghouse wrote: »
    I am a Savile Row customer.

    My compliments @doghouse.

    RE: the photos above, all immaculate fits as you say. At the risk of confusing the discussion again, I do take issue with what appears to be a lack of hosiery in the last photo however. :)

    the no sock thing is certainly unfortunate.
  • SirHilaryBraySirHilaryBray Scotland
    Posts: 2,138
    Sark wrote: »
    That's a fair criticism. However with Bond his clothing is such an important part of the character. No one remembers what Jack Reacher or Ethan Hunt wears, everyone remembers what Bond wears.

    An honest question: what do people here think will be said about the very tight look of Craig's SF suits in 20 years time?

    The Skinny suit it a throw back to the Mod era of the 60 's in 30 years it will likely be back in fashion. I don't agree with your comments. Regular fit suits do not sit well on Craig as he is short, slender and built. Regular fit suits hang off his shoulders. The skinny suits show of his physical form. Things go in and out of fashion. In 30 years people won't sit watching Skyfall and think good movie shame about the suits. They will see the Billy Reid Peacoat from Shanghai scenes, the Levis menlo vintage jacket and the TF midnight blue tuxedo both timeless classics and think wow wardrobe was amazing on that movie.
  • Posts: 1,314
    @doghouse where you been measured on SR? If I may ask.
  • SandySandy Somewhere in Europe
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    @roko, I must congratulate you on your post. You may be a newbie here but I have a feeling you are one of the good ones :)
    FLeiter wrote: »
    Has anyone here been measured?

    I'm afraid your questions doesn't mean much. The measures (even when correctly made) are only a first step of many. Without shaping, a well measured garment is nothing.

    I'm proud (and thankful) that most of my life my father not only made me clothes (when I was a child, mostly, women clothes were never his forte) or modified and fitted the clothes I bought. The suits I own were all refitted by him :) Even today whenever I go home I still always take clothes for him to adjust even though I can do the basics myself. I have learned more from him than anyone here can imagine. A client can think he knows a lot about tailoring, but the tailor is the one who knows all the secrets ;)
  • RC7RC7
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    doghouse wrote: »
    FLeiter wrote: »
    Has anyone here been measured?

    I am a Savile Row customer.

    I had my first suit made there at the end of last year, for my wedding. I went for a smaller bespoke tailor as my budget was around 3k. Very happy with it, though. Something I've always wanted to do.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
    edited February 2015 Posts: 12,459
    Lucky you, Sandy, having an excellent personal tailor who cared to fit you like you were his daughter ... oh wait ... well, exactly. :) I bet you have learned a lot about tailoring.

    Here is a little article that you all may enjoy. I found it via Mark O'Connell on twitter (Mark is our member and author of Catching Bullets, his personal story of growing up in the Bond world). Spy style: http://www.mrporter.com/journal/the-report/a-brief-history-of-spy-style/171?cm_mmc=LinkshareUS-_-DruclYqPxnE-_-Custom-_-LinkBuilder&siteID=DruclYqPxnE-nRCkN6i9CxcN3nIeN0Ge2Q

    This is a brief, smartly done video. I think it's quite fun. Bond, Harry Palmer, Steed, etc.

    And just fyi here is Mark's Facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/catchingbullets/posts/929353480428335

    (And yes, you are spot on, @roko. And as you can see, I am moving on.)
  • Posts: 260
    Matt007 wrote: »
    @doghouse where you been measured on SR? If I may ask.

    I've been a Henry Poole customer for quite a while.
    RC7 wrote: »
    doghouse wrote: »
    FLeiter wrote: »
    Has anyone here been measured?

    I am a Savile Row customer.

    I had my first suit made there at the end of last year, for my wedding. I went for a smaller bespoke tailor as my budget was around 3k. Very happy with it, though. Something I've always wanted to do.

    Excellent! It's not possible to describe the feeling of having clothes made for you, it's an singularly unique experience, one that very few get anymore too.
  • ggl007ggl007 www.archivo007.com Spain, España
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    Lucky you, Sandy, having an excellent personal tailor who cared to fit you like you were his daughter ... oh wait ... well, exactly. :) I bet you have learned a lot about tailoring.

    Here is a little article that you all may enjoy. I found it via Mark O'Connell on twitter (Mark is our member and author of Catching Bullets, his personal story of growing up in the Bond world). Spy style: http://www.mrporter.com/journal/the-report/a-brief-history-of-spy-style/171?cm_mmc=LinkshareUS-_-DruclYqPxnE-_-Custom-_-LinkBuilder&siteID=DruclYqPxnE-nRCkN6i9CxcN3nIeN0Ge2Q

    This is a brief, smartly done video. I think it's quite fun. Bond, Harry Palmer, Steed, etc.

    And just fyi here is Mark's Facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/catchingbullets/posts/929353480428335

    (And yes, you are spot on, @roko. And as you can see, I am moving on.)
    What a great video!! Thanks for that!!
    =D>
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
    Posts: 12,459
    I'm so glad you enjoyed it - I thought it was smartly put together and fun. :)
  • aaron819aaron819 Switzerland
    Posts: 1,208
    ggl007 wrote: »
    Lucky you, Sandy, having an excellent personal tailor who cared to fit you like you were his daughter ... oh wait ... well, exactly. :) I bet you have learned a lot about tailoring.

    Here is a little article that you all may enjoy. I found it via Mark O'Connell on twitter (Mark is our member and author of Catching Bullets, his personal story of growing up in the Bond world). Spy style: http://www.mrporter.com/journal/the-report/a-brief-history-of-spy-style/171?cm_mmc=LinkshareUS-_-DruclYqPxnE-_-Custom-_-LinkBuilder&siteID=DruclYqPxnE-nRCkN6i9CxcN3nIeN0Ge2Q

    This is a brief, smartly done video. I think it's quite fun. Bond, Harry Palmer, Steed, etc.

    And just fyi here is Mark's Facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/catchingbullets/posts/929353480428335

    (And yes, you are spot on, @roko. And as you can see, I am moving on.)
    What a great video!! Thanks for that!!
    =D>

    @4EverBonded

    Thanks, the video is great! =D>
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
    Posts: 11,139
    Sark wrote: »
    I firmly believe that in 20 years time people will look on the suits from QoS much more favorably than the ones from SF.

    20 years time? Many people believe that to be the case already and I too agree that Craig's suits in QoS are better than anything else he's worn as Bond. It's the perfect fit that does the job of complimenting his body without looking tight.

  • SirHilaryBraySirHilaryBray Scotland
    Posts: 2,138
    Better than the Midnight blue tuxedo? There is no suit in QOS that Bironi produced as icon. Many years from no Dan standing on the flotilla in Macau wearing that tux will be one of thee iconic images of bond up there with connerys 3 piece grey Anthony Sinclair from goldfinger.
  • SirHilaryBraySirHilaryBray Scotland
    edited March 2015 Posts: 2,138
    Better than the Midnight blue tuxedo? There is no suit in QOS that Bironi produced as iconic. Many years from now Dan standing on the flotilla in Macau wearing that tux will be one of thee iconic images of bond up there with connerys 3 piece grey Anthony Sinclair from goldfinger.

  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
    Posts: 11,139
    Bond's suits in QoS were by Tom Ford also not Brioni. The dinner suit he wore in Macau was great and him on the boat was an iconic pose but in terms of overall fit, Ford's suits in QoS were better...imo of course.
  • Posts: 260
    Dinner jackets by definition aren't really iconic, they should blend in. I don't think the DJ from Skyfall will be any more or less remembered than any other. The scene was memorable and DC looked great, but the DJ wasn't particularly special. I would put Connery s very first shawl collared midnight DJ from Dr No or the one from Thunderball easily ahead because there was no neck gape.

  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited March 2015 Posts: 23,883
    I personally prefer the Brioni dinner jacket in CR for some reason (Vesper's tailored one). He looked great in that.

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    I'm posting an interesting article below from Mr. Porter with Lindy Hemming, for those interested to take a look. Covers some of our discussion points here nicely and also adds some insight into Bond's clothing. It even explains why Brioni got the job for GE rather than Saville Row. I don't know if this has been posted here before. Connery next to that Aston in the Swiss Alps has to be one of the most iconic shots ever.

    http://www.mrporter.com/journal/journal_issue71/3#1

    Also, a very interesting BAMF Style article on that very tux from CR.

    https://bamfstyle.wordpress.com/2013/06/19/casino-royale-tux/

    Interestingly, both articles cover Craig's build and how they had to account for his physique. He looks super smart in these articles. I've got to watch CR again!

    I'll never forget "from the cut of your suit, you went to.........". Vesper knew what it was about.
  • Posts: 260
    bondjames wrote: »

    I'll never forget "from the cut of your suit, you went to.........". Vesper knew what it was about.

    Not really Bond related, but this is one of the biggest points. Most other nationalities get caught up in fabric and construction, but for Brits, it's traditionally been all about the cut. The silhouette is the thing.

  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited March 2015 Posts: 23,883
    doghouse wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »

    I'll never forget "from the cut of your suit, you went to.........". Vesper knew what it was about.

    Not really Bond related, but this is one of the biggest points. Most other nationalities get caught up in fabric and construction, but for Brits, it's traditionally been all about the cut. The silhouette is the thing.

    Agreed. That's why I posted that line. It just stuck in my mind after the discussions we've had here. CR had some excellent subtle references to Bond style in it after Vesper showed up. That's why I absolutely love that movie.
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