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Could Brosnan have convinced you as 007 in CR and QoS ?

barryt007barryt007
edited March 2011 in Bond Movies Posts: 19,339
Does anyone think that ,having been given the opportunity to carry on as Bond,Pierce would have been able to perform 007 to the level of Daniel Craig in CR and QoS ?

Presuming that the above films were written with the same emotional depth and with tough one on one acting scenes.

He always states that he never got the decent script he was looking for but what do you think out there ?
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  • BAIN123BAIN123
    edited March 2011 Posts: 11,189
    I do think that, had CR been Brosnan's debut, he would have convinced me enough.

    I don't think he looks out of place in a casino and I can see him looking across the betting table stirnly at Le Chiffre. After TND aswell, I could see him sitting in his hotel room in his shirt, complete with gun holster, downing a martini.

    Action-wise however I can't quite see him jumping off craines in the way Craig could.
  • RussianMummyRussianMummy
    Posts: 17
    For CR, definitely not. He's too old to do the physical bits convincingly so there would need to have been a thorough re-working of the script to accommodate him. Having said that, perhaps if they'd made QoS a little more Brosnan-like then it might have brought the light-hearted sense of fun that many people say it lacked.
  • LudsLuds MIA
    Posts: 1,986
    Brosnan was already too old and fat in DAD, it would have been a farce in CR/QOS.

    Based on his lack of acting skills and pain faces, had CR been made during his tenure, it would have heen a TWINE type disaster ;)
  • AstonMartins4MeAstonMartins4Me
    Posts: 5
    I think Brosnan could have made a fantastic fifth Bond film, however I don't think either Casino Royale or Quantum of Solace, as scripted and filmed, would have been right for him at that point.

    I could see him in a version of Casino Royale set near the end of Bond's career as an agent rather than at the start. Tone down the physical combat and action and rely a bit more on tension than excitement and I think we could have really had something special. Say what you will about Die Another Day but Brosnan's performance wasn't the problem with it, and another performance like that in a film like Craig's Casino Royale that bettered DAD in every other regard (writing, supporting cast, etc.) could have and likely would have been Brosnan's best Bond film.

    Not to say I'd want that instead of Craig's Casino Royale (it's my favorite entry in the series) but it always disappointed me that Brosnan films (outside of his debut Goldeneye) were so let down by writing, direction and casting that he never got a serious chance of bettering that first film (another favorite of mine).
  • VesperVesper
    Posts: 20
    The films likely would have been completely different, I'm not just saying that in a "it would have been DAD 2.0" way, but rather that each Bond actors films have a pretty unique feel and tone to them for the most part, and there's no real telling how similar these films would be if Brosnan were in them. I think there's no doubt, however, that Brosnan or no, Bond was going to tone itself down a bit after Die Another Day.
  • TubesTubes The Hebrew Hammer
    Posts: 158
    Neither CR or QOS as written would work for Brosnan. His Bond was drastically different than Craig's. It'd be like Moore as Bond in Licence to Kill.

    Could those scripts be tailored to Brosnan? Probably. The films themselves wouldn't be as good, however, mostly because the baggage of the Brosnan era (excessive gadgets, bad puns, melodramatic acting) would be brought along with him.
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
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    Given how Brosnan really matured recently (Ghost Writer and even Rememeber Me (He was the only highlight from that mess), we could have had a great 'Bond ageing / final mission' stuff in B21, B22. But of course have an open ending, so a new Bond could be brought in after Brosnan leaves the role. Of course that would mean Daniel Craig would never have played Bond.
  • barryt007barryt007
    Posts: 19,339
    I think if Brozza got to B21 and B22 he would have busted a gut to do B23 to equal Roger Moore as the longest Bond with 7 films.
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
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    Brosnan's 5th - 2005, his 6th - 2007, his 7th 2009 ? Given how he looked in Ghost Writer, I do think he could have pulled it off. He looked more Bond like in the Polanski film than Moore in AVTAK. We could have had a proper 'Bond final mission' outing.
  • Samuel001Samuel001 Moderator
    edited March 2011 Posts: 13,350
    Quoting barryt007: I think if Brozza got to B21 and B22 he would have busted a gut to do B23 to
    equal Roger Moore as the longest Bond with 7 films.

    Well Brosnan did always say he would only do 6 at the time of Die Another Day. I don't think a seventh film was something he even considered to be honest.
  • AgentJM7AgentJM7
    Posts: 421
    Brosnan in CR, maybe. It would however require a total rewrite. It could still be down to earth, simple. Had he discovered the flair and the elegance that was in GoldenEye - it could have worked very well. Brosnan would to have changed personally as well as character-wise. He was getting "larger", a little arrogant, and a little complacent about his ability to perform - he could have bulked up and slimmed down for the role, dyed his hair black etc.

    In terms of story, the redux would have to go. The relationship between Bond and Vesper would have to change completely, and revert to a more Paris Carver-type love. Some of the fight scenes would have to be toned down - and I'm sure there are other things. Bottom line: it could be done.

    As for QOS - no. Definitely not. Taking the time/age thing out of the equation, it wouldn't have suited Brosnan at all. It didn't flow very well as it was, so I can't imagine what it would have been like with Brosnan.
  • boldfingerboldfinger
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    Considering he re-invented the character anyhow each time and did a more than decent job holding the scripts together, and considering the way he played in Matador, of course he would have convinced in CR and QOS. The action scenes would have been written differently anyhow in his case, of they would have been shot with the body double more often in the frame. Actually I would have loved that, Pierce doing action scenes like Sir Rog :-).
  • The_ReaperThe_Reaper
    Posts: 1,092
    It could have worked but along with many people here, I'm glad it didn't happen.
  • HASEROTHASEROT has returned like the tedious inevitability of an unloved season---
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    considering the overall tone of the Brosnan films compared to Craig's.. I don't see it meshing well... Brosnan always complained that he never got "the script he wanted", yet he never voiced any concerns when being handed drafts? - or so we assume, because some of the stuff was so laughably bad.... so that means 1 of 2 things happened - he either voiced his displeasure, but the producers didn't listen to him instead deciding to back their writers - or, he thought it was good at the time, and looking back after the fact, realized he probably should've asked for something better...... me personally? i'm willing to bet the latter.... If he wanted to take a more serious approach to the role in any of his last 2 films, I'm pretty sure he could've requested it - unless your an absolute prick, the producers seem willing to at least work with their star on what they want to do.. it may not always go through - but i'm sure there is at least an open dialog between the two parties..

    Could Brosnan have done Casino Royale? Of course - but it would've been in the Brosnan style, not the Craig style.. chances are, the script would not have lent itself to be taken as seriously as Craig's film - but it would've probably been scaled back from Die Another Day (in the same vein as how For Your Eyes Only was scaled back Moonraker)... but I wouldn't bet the house on that - as Wilson had said, had Pierce stuck around, they probably would've released another effects/action extravaganza - maybe not as gaudy as Die Another Day, but possibly something more like Tomorrow Never Dies or The World Is Not Enough..
  • ShakenNotStirredShakenNotStirred
    Posts: 1,395
    I think Brosnan could have done CR had it been made in 2004, and the story changed just so it wasn't the beginning of his 00 status. Moore did serious Bond after Moonraker, Brosnan could have done serious Bond after Die Another Day. IMO. :)
  • VirageVirage
    Posts: 1,856
    One word; No
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
    edited November 2011 Posts: 13,936
    Like @BAIN123 said, if it was Brosnan's first outing, then yes. They would've had to water down the physical stunts a tad, but I think he could've pulled it off. A 50-something Brosnan doing CR? No. They would've gone with a different story. I still wish he had've done a 5th film in '04.
  • Gustav_GravesGustav_Graves
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    Does anyone think that ,having been given the opportunity to carry on as Bond,Pierce would have been able to perform 007 to the level of Daniel Craig in CR and QoS ?

    Presuming that the above films were written with the same emotional depth and with tough one on one acting scenes.

    He always states that he never got the decent script he was looking for but what do you think out there ?
    I think he could actually. I just think during Brosnan's reign, the Bond producers didn't see an opening to give Brosnan's Bond a more emotional personality. According to Brosnan TWINE was his best Bond film. And I do agree with him. At certain moments his Bond in TWINE was similar to Craig's Bond.

    I also think when the rights for 'Casino Royale' finally went to EON, it was already too late for Brosnan. In my opinion, the 'Casino Royale' storyline could well be adapted in favour of Brosnan: WITH the emotional complexity that Bond has, but WITHOUT the reboot idea of Bond starting completely anew.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
    Posts: 12,459
    Three words: Yes; love Brosnan.
  • thelivingroyalethelivingroyale
    Posts: 12,837
    Yes, IF these films were made at the time of goldeneye and tommorow never dies. If they were made in 2006, then probably not. Brosnan would've been too old to jump of cranes and be an agent just promoted to 00. But if these were back in the 90s then definetly, these were the sort of thing brosnan wanted.
  • PrinceKamalKhanPrinceKamalKhan Monsoon Palace, Udaipur
    edited November 2011 Posts: 3,262
    Does anyone think that ,having been given the opportunity to carry on as Bond,Pierce would have been able to perform 007 to the level of Daniel Craig in CR and QoS ? he never got the decent script he was looking for but what do you think out there ?
    No. The evidence we got from his work in GE(which should've starred Dalton) and TWINE(his failed attempt at a CR/OHMSS type entry) proves this to me. Brosnan was at his best doing Roger Moore-lite/Remington Steele Bond in TND and DAD IMHO.

  • SaintMarkSaintMark
    Posts: 7,653
    CR & QoS are Craig vehicles. they are tailormade for him. Don't see Brosnan doing them. Unlike TLD with Dalton which was more or less a Moore vehicle (he would have been much wittier!) and it would also have worked with Brosnan had he been free to do the job.

    With CR EON started a different 007, and to be honest it is Craigs era now. I just want to see him in a better movie than QoS (which should be VERY easy) and a better movie than CR.
  • tqbtqb
    Posts: 1,022
    Brosnan was already too old and fat in DAD, it would have been a farce in CR/QOS.

    Based on his lack of acting skills and pain faces, had CR been made during his tenure, it would have heen a TWINE type disaster ;)
    apparently im the only person who enjoyed twine

  • HASEROTHASEROT has returned like the tedious inevitability of an unloved season---
    Posts: 4,399
    Brosnan was already too old and fat in DAD, it would have been a farce in CR/QOS.

    Based on his lack of acting skills and pain faces, had CR been made during his tenure, it would have heen a TWINE type disaster ;)
    apparently im the only person who enjoyed twine

    for all it's faults - i do enjoy TWINE, and consider it Brosnan's 2nd best outing as Bond (outside of GE of course)... I just think it was a film that knew what it wanted to be, but failed to fully get there.

  • jolearonjolearon
    Posts: 645
    CR was a reboot film, Pierce wasn't the role for that.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
    Posts: 23,551
    CR was a reboot film, Pierce wasn't the role for that.
    In my opinion the best argument against it and also the safest one since it's an objective one.

  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
    Posts: 15,690
    IMO Brosnan really aged gracefully after DAD. At age 57 in Ghost Writer he looked miles better than Moore at the same age in AVTAK... And also his acting talent really picked up... So yes I think Brosnan could have done atleast 3 more films... adapted for him of course.
  • Samuel001Samuel001 Moderator
    edited November 2011 Posts: 13,350
    Three more?!

    I think 2 would have been better. I really don't think 7 films would work again, for anyone. Moore was a one-off in that department.

    On topic though, if the two films in question were more tailored for Brosnan, well really just ditch the whole 'new 00 Agent' angle, he could have done them in 2005 and 2007, as was semi-planned.
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
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    Technically, Connery did 7 films, too. ;-)
  • Samuel001Samuel001 Moderator
    edited November 2011 Posts: 13,350
    Technically, Connery did 7 films, too. ;-)
    I don't count Never Say Never Again. That would be like Brosnan returning for another film, not made by EON, without all the trademarks, in 2014! @-)
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