Who should/could be a Bond actor?

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    Since62 wrote: »
    007HallY wrote: »
    Since62 wrote: »
    007HallY wrote: »
    MI6HQ wrote: »

    I've seen a lot of their work. They've got some great images of literary characters, but I know they've also had to go back on a couple that didn't feel 'right' (the image they did of Humbert Humbert from Lolita is an example, and Neil Gaiman even suggested changes to their version of Mr. Wednesday from American Gods after it was brought to his attention which they took). This is another example of that problem I think - technically it's not incorrect based on the description, but I don't think this is what Fleming or readers in general have/had in mind when they read the books.

    Quite so ! The books give another big piece of information which these folks could have/should use: that Bond looks rather like Hoagy Carmichael. I don't think Bond has a disappearing upper lip, either. The scar is too pronounced. He does not have such a high forehead/hairline. His eyes should appear to be blue. His comma of black hair falles over his forehead, closer to the middle but not in the middle, and not - as shown here - a curl over his temple. I do not recall whether his ears bulged out in the middle then in at the top but I don't think that's right as shown. Again - refer to H. Carmichael. Mind you - Fleming did not describe Bond as a doppelganger for Carmichael, nor vice-versa, but it should be helpful.

    A young Hoagy Carmichael, yes. So like this for those interested:

    Hoagy-Carmichael.jpg

    I know Carmichael was American but there's something very 'English' about his face. It's telling that Fleming had specific actors in mind for Bond in '62 such as David Niven. He also famously wasn't a fan of Connery's more earthly, rugged looks (I believe the quote goes 'he looks like a balding lorry driver') so I think his initial image of Bond was very specific - more clean cut and generically handsome with just hints of that inner darkness through the eyes, the scar and mouth.

    Interestingly, Bond's appearance was starting to morph before the films. That famous illustration I posted before was an early concept drawing before the comic strips started coming out in the late 50s adapting Fleming's work. It was deemed too 'pre-war' so they made Bond a bit more rugged.

    So this:

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    Became this:

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    Not sure if the Carmichael reference in itself helps us, or indeed the producers, finding the next Bond actor (by this logic someone like Tom Hiddleston or Benedict Cumberbatch would be ideal, but my suspicion is they wouldn't be particularly good Bonds/convey the correct intensity and demeanour required for the role) but it's interesting.

    Excellent ! Well done finding and inserting those images in your post. I don't think Connery's appearance was that far off from the artist's latter rendering. I find the rendering of Ms. Moneypenny (or would it be Ms. Goodnight) amusing, particularly her "Oh, my !" expression, but also her hairdo and glasses. An aspect of Carmichael's appearance which I do not recall Fleming distinguishing away was his nose. It is an aspect I just assumed from when I first read it that Fleming did not intend to be descriptive of Bond's nose. I also note that Connery had those handsome vertical lines in his face and Carmichael had at least one, on his right side.

    I get a strong 'Connery' vibe too. I know Bond's appearance in these strips changed over time and I believe the last image is from a later one, but again the general trend away from Fleming's 'dark handsome English gentleman' and towards the 'rugged handsome loner' archetype is interesting and made its way into Connery's casting. Also, from what I remember Fleming didn't actually reference Carmichael that much beyond CR to describe Bond anyway.

    Again though, none of this really helps the producers when it comes to actors. It's why Bond's such a hard part to cast - you have to embody a 'sense' of the character through your walk, your demeanour, how you recite the lines etc. Doesn't matter whether you look more like Craig or Moore. In that sense how clean shaven or rugged an actor is isn't the main issue.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
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    mtm wrote: »
    MI6HQ wrote: »

    I can only see a lady in that face.

    Same here. It reminds me of someone, but I can t put my finger on who it is.

    Ruby Rose after a few rounds in the ring.
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    mtm wrote: »
    MI6HQ wrote: »

    I can only see a lady in that face.

    Same here. It reminds me of someone, but I can t put my finger on who it is.
    I immediately thought of these dudes lol
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  • peterpeter Toronto
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    @Thunderfinger : if Natalie Portman had an ugly twin sister... That image would be it.
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    Ludovico wrote: »
    Anybody mentioned Jonathan Bailey? I know zilch about him but saw a few pics from Bridgerton and he seems to have the look. Otherwise no idea about his height, his voice, his skills. At 33 he'd be at the right age too.

    Having watched a bit of Bridgerton, I think Bailey could do it, but I wouldn't think he's all that likely to get it. He ticks a lot of boxes, but doesn't knock any specific aspect out of the park, I would say. Although, if we go by - what sometimes seem to be - the most important characteristics: he's not too short, he has a good voice, is mostly clean shaven, has dark hair, looks like an adult and doesn't have a weak chin. So he's almost perfect.

    I guess I'll have to watch Bridgerton.
  • JeremyBondonJeremyBondon Seeking out odd jobs with Oddjob @Tangier
    edited March 2022 Posts: 1,318
    Well, Hoagy was one classically handsome manly looking son of a gun. Miles ahead of most of the (effete) propositions on here.

    Based on looks he'd get my vote right away

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  • Jordo007Jordo007 Merseyside
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    @peter interesting post, thanks for your insight mate. Hopefully 2022 brings some good news for Bond fans
    007HallY wrote: »
    Risico007 wrote: »
    I really like Jack bannon

    He's very plausible as a candidate. Also he has the exact hairline that Ian Fleming envisioned Bond having.

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    Whenever I see this Fleming imagining of Bond, out of all the Bond's it makes me think of Craig, specifically the scene in Casino Royale, were he offers Solange a lift home.
    If you pause it and look at Daniel, the angle he's shot from and the way he's facing looks similar to this sketch of Bond. I wonder if that shot was designed purposely
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    007HallY wrote: »
    Risico007 wrote: »
    I really like Jack bannon

    He's very plausible as a candidate. Also he has the exact hairline that Ian Fleming envisioned Bond having.

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    Absolutely a candidate, but I do find his hairline distracting.
  • VenutiusVenutius Yorkshire
    edited March 2022 Posts: 2,853
    If he doesn't get Bond, he's a shoo-in for Eddie Munster...
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    A crude attempt, but…

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  • JeremyBondonJeremyBondon Seeking out odd jobs with Oddjob @Tangier
    edited March 2022 Posts: 1,318
    talos7 wrote: »
    A crude attempt, but…

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    Got to love Paint, dear Talos. It's a no from me nonetheless.
  • edited March 2022 Posts: 784
    The way this thread is going off on Toby Kebell and Jack Bannon I am really starting to question the sanity of its contributors.

    I am a better candidate. No jokez

    Also discussing pre-cinematic character sketches and Hoagy for the 100th time is less relevant than head to head matchups of real actors.
  • edited March 2022 Posts: 2,540
    Jordo007 wrote: »
    @peter interesting post, thanks for your insight mate. Hopefully 2022 brings some good news for Bond fans
    007HallY wrote: »
    Risico007 wrote: »
    I really like Jack bannon

    He's very plausible as a candidate. Also he has the exact hairline that Ian Fleming envisioned Bond having.

    yq-pennyworth-28062029.jpg?VersionId=s2QYCLC0LA0AYBuq9zZNopzcvh8CUiMa

    220px-Fleming007impression.jpg

    Whenever I see this Fleming imagining of Bond, out of all the Bond's it makes me think of Craig, specifically the scene in Casino Royale, were he offers Solange a lift home.
    If you pause it and look at Daniel, the angle he's shot from and the way he's facing looks similar to this sketch of Bond. I wonder if that shot was designed purposely

    Yes, I think I know what you mean from what I can recall of that scene. To be honest while I understand Craig's hair colour and cragginess was, at first glance, somewhat different from what we'd seen compared to other Bond actors, I remember saying as far back as 2006 that his casting wasn't necessarily all that different to Connery's in a sense. Again, neither have that more clean cut, traditionally handsome Hoagy Carmichael look, and both were a bit 'rough around the edges'. Still though, these actors and their likeness are pretty much synonymous with Bond now. I'd say the sketch isn't even a million miles away from Connery or Craig, especially their chins/mouths. No actor is ever going to be 100% accurate to Fleming's description anyway, neither are they necessarily going to look like Carmichael.

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  • edited April 2022 Posts: 784
    The way this thread is going off on Toby Kebell and Jack Bannon I am really starting to question the sanity of its contributors.

    I am a better candidate. No jokez

    Also discussing pre-cinematic character sketches and Hoagy for the 100th time is less relevant than head to head matchups of real actors.

    Your hairline is so far back you need binoculars to see it.

    My profile picture is of Qazi Muhammad lol. I look more like Action-Man or Archer. Or so I’d like to think. :P

    And you look like Jordan Peterson’s 50 year old hypothetical son.
  • Posts: 586
    The way this thread is going off on Toby Kebell and Jack Bannon I am really starting to question the sanity of its contributors.

    I am a better candidate. No jokez

    Also discussing pre-cinematic character sketches and Hoagy for the 100th time is less relevant than head to head matchups of real actors.

    Your hairline is so far back you need binoculars to see it.

    My profile picture is of Qazi Muhammad lol. I look more like Action-Man or Archer.

    And you look like Jordan Peterson’s 50 year old hypothetical son.

    Haha! I don't know who that is, sorry. You said a few pages ago you were bald innit
  • edited March 2022 Posts: 784
    The way this thread is going off on Toby Kebell and Jack Bannon I am really starting to question the sanity of its contributors.

    I am a better candidate. No jokez

    Also discussing pre-cinematic character sketches and Hoagy for the 100th time is less relevant than head to head matchups of real actors.

    Your hairline is so far back you need binoculars to see it.

    My profile picture is of Qazi Muhammad lol. I look more like Action-Man or Archer.

    And you look like Jordan Peterson’s 50 year old hypothetical son.

    Haha! I don't know who that is, sorry. You said a few pages ago you were bald innit

    I am 28 and will be completely bald within a year. Hurry up and cast me BB. After that the only roles I will be able to play is Blofeld and Mark Strong in a biopic about his life.
  • Posts: 2,540
    The way this thread is going off on Toby Kebell and Jack Bannon I am really starting to question the sanity of its contributors.

    I am a better candidate. No jokez

    Also discussing pre-cinematic character sketches and Hoagy for the 100th time is less relevant than head to head matchups of real actors.

    Your hairline is so far back you need binoculars to see it.

    My profile picture is of Qazi Muhammad lol. I look more like Action-Man or Archer.

    And you look like Jordan Peterson’s 50 year old hypothetical son.

    Haha! I don't know who that is, sorry. You said a few pages ago you were bald innit

    I am 28 and will be completely bald within a year. Hurry up and cast me BB.

    Just tell Babs to dig out Connery's toupee from EON's storage and dust it off. Problem solved.
  • Posts: 586
    The way this thread is going off on Toby Kebell and Jack Bannon I am really starting to question the sanity of its contributors.

    I am a better candidate. No jokez

    Also discussing pre-cinematic character sketches and Hoagy for the 100th time is less relevant than head to head matchups of real actors.

    Your hairline is so far back you need binoculars to see it.

    My profile picture is of Qazi Muhammad lol. I look more like Action-Man or Archer.

    And you look like Jordan Peterson’s 50 year old hypothetical son.

    Haha! I don't know who that is, sorry. You said a few pages ago you were bald innit

    I am 28 and will be completely bald within a year. Hurry up and cast me BB. After that the only roles I will be able to play is Blofeld and Mark Strong in a biopic about his life.

    Pahaha! Isnt it Debbie McWilliams that does the casting? Get your head shots in. Shave your head embrace your new look.
  • edited March 2022 Posts: 784
    Right now I am managing it with a 10 inch combover hoping nobody will notice, or else Will Smith might smack them.

    Speaking of baldness. Wouldn’t Zinedine Zidane have made a better Hitman (Agent 47) than Rupert Friend and Timothy Olyphant. I rarely say this about other men but he is absolutely gorgeous.
  • Posts: 9,669
    Venutius wrote: »
    If he doesn't get Bond, he's a shoo-in for Eddie Munster...

    Hey it worked for Dalton in licence to kill
  • VenutiusVenutius Yorkshire
    edited March 2022 Posts: 2,853
    Actually, now you mention it...
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    Yes it’s clickbait but it’s slow at the moment.

    https://screenrant.com/james-bond-movie-cast-eric-bana-response/
  • edited March 2022 Posts: 2,540
    talos7 wrote: »
    Yes it’s clickbait but it’s slow at the moment.

    https://screenrant.com/james-bond-movie-cast-eric-bana-response/

    That settles it. The 53 year old actor who had barely been considered for the role and never showed any previous interest in it, doesn't want to do it and thus will never get the part. Who would have thought?
  • sandbagger1sandbagger1 Sussex
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    talos7 wrote: »
    Yes it’s clickbait but it’s slow at the moment.

    https://screenrant.com/james-bond-movie-cast-eric-bana-response/
    Bana is far from the front-runner however, as names like Tom Hardy, Idris Elba, Rege-Jean Page, Henry Cavill, Richard Madden, Tom Hopper and James Norton dominate lists of potential Craig successors.
    I like how they drop Tom Hopper's name in there like he's usually mentioned amongst those favourites! Maybe it's because Umbrella Academy s3 is dropping soon?
  • Posts: 9,669
    007HallY wrote: »
    talos7 wrote: »
    Yes it’s clickbait but it’s slow at the moment.

    https://screenrant.com/james-bond-movie-cast-eric-bana-response/

    That settles it. The 53 year old actor who had barely been considered for the role and never showed any previous interest in it, doesn't want to do it and thus will never get the part. Who would have thought?
    or is this all a triple blind to blindside us into him becoming the next 007
  • Posts: 14,750
    007HallY wrote: »
    talos7 wrote: »
    Yes it’s clickbait but it’s slow at the moment.

    https://screenrant.com/james-bond-movie-cast-eric-bana-response/

    That settles it. The 53 year old actor who had barely been considered for the role and never showed any previous interest in it, doesn't want to do it and thus will never get the part. Who would have thought?

    They'd print anything these days.

    I wonder when was Bana considered by anyone as Bond. No but seriously, his career hasn't been going too well these last few years (unfairly imo as he's a very capable actor), so I'm sure he must be happy someone is linking him with Bond, even if it's a ridiculous rumour.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    Maybe not a top contender but his name was bandied about at one time.
  • sandbagger1sandbagger1 Sussex
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    I watched the new Death on the Nile the other night. Tom Bateman gets a bigger role in this one, and he's not bad at all. I'm not sure I can see him as Bond, though - he's a big, handsome guy, and you wouldn't want to have to fight him, but he comes across as a slightly dim rugby player rather than the cold, calculating assassin Bond sometimes has to be.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Yes I watched him in Jekyll & Hyde where he was the lead and I'm not sure I saw a Bond to be honest, decent though he is.
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