Who should/could be a Bond actor?

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    Hmm, Elordi just does not give Bond vibes to me, he's beautiful sure, but also has like a creepy edge to him that I can't shake off, and makes sense why his characters in Euphoria or Saltburn were like that.
  • edited 2:21pm Posts: 6,033
    007HallY wrote: »
    MSL49 wrote: »
    007HallY wrote: »
    I mean, he was fine I guess in the Argylle post credits... I'm not sure he really screamed Bond though.... same for Enola Holmes.

    Honestly, the boy's so young I think it's impossible to tell if there's any Bond potential there. I personally find him a bit feminine/androgynous looking (he's a good looking kid, but I think that element is something he leans into and is part of his appeal. It's no slight against how he comes off onscreen or how he could look when he's older - but again, it doesn't scream Bond to me right now, and it's all part of that sense he's simply way too young, or potentially really not right for the role anyway). He's a good actor and I'm sure he has great stuff ahead. That said I don't think he's even comparable to Henry Cavill when he was in his early 20s. And no, I certainly wouldn't say from what I've seen he's a better actor, nor does he have a more commanding screen presence than Harris Dickinson (I can understand having reservations about Dickinson as Bond or thinking he doesn't quite have the right qualities for the character, but the guy is genuinely a magnetic actor, and I'd say he made much more impact onscreen when he was Partridge's age - Beach Rats, Postcards From London etc).

    How would you describe Cavill in his early 20s?

    Much more stereotypically masculine than Partidge, regardless of what I think of him as an actor ;)
    talos7 wrote: »
    I hope Elordi and Harris both join Clive Owen on the list of “ sure thing “ potential Bonds who are never cast.

    Honestly, there's a good chance both are unlikely to get the role. It's not an issue of fate or the most discussed person destined not to get the role. It's just that there are so many possibilities.

    I remember seeing Cavill in The Count of Monte Cristo and I Capture the Castle and being surprised to hear he had been in the running for Superman (the one he didn’t get). He just seemed too boyish and wimpy. I wouldn’t have said Partridge, from what little I’ve seen of him (Enola Holmes), appears less masculine, imo.

    Really?

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    He reminds me a bit of a young Jamie Campbell Bower, both looks and performance wise (Bower's another good looking guy incidentally and not a bad actor, but definitely has a 'prettiness' to him, and I'm not sure he was ever going to be in the running for Bond. Also very much in the realm of 'character actor' rather than 'star'. I'd say the same about the appearance of, say, a young Johnny Depp or Leonardo DiCaprio, although Partidge isn't anywhere near as good an actor and both those actors were big even then).

    Incidentally I don't necessarily mind if the actor isn't as rugged as someone like Connery or Craig, or even if they have that softer element to their good looks, especially at a younger age. But they really have to show in some way through their performances that they're able to convey 'Bond' (I was actually interested in Tom Hughes at one point after seeing him in a show called The Game where I thought he was very Bondian, and I'd say he also has that quality to his looks, but has something quite interesting/enigmatic about him. I have yet to be really impressed by something Patridge has been in, let alone see anything that could be 'Bond').

    I've not seen Count of Monte Cristo in a while, and I'm going to guess I did so with hindsight about Cavill. From what I remember the role required him to be quite boyish (if that's the right description, and he was very young), but he had a noticeable steeliness to him that came through.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited 2:19pm Posts: 19,236
    Jordo007 wrote: »
    Given the late 20's/early 30's young Bond criteria, I wonder who the top 5 are for screentest? How young/old will they go? 26 to 35 years old?

    Does it rule out for example, James Norton, Josh O'Connor and maybe even Aaron Taylor Johnson

    I don't think they'd stick to any of those 'rules' in a hard and fast way- like I don't think supposedly wanting only a British guy will stop them considering Elordi or an Irish actor, say. I can imagine they might be less inclined to go with a 40 year-old perhaps, but Craig was only two years off that when he did CR, and he was supposed to be a hotheaded 'rookie' 007 in that one. I think if the talent is strong enough then any self-imposed rules go out the window, as with casting any character really.
  • MSL49MSL49 Finland
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    MSL49 wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    MSL49 wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    I know what you mean: I tend to think anyone who’s becoming a favourite now isn’t the one who it’ll turn out to be! I’d be happy with Dickinson though, he’s a very good actor and I think he’d do something good with it.

    As an aside, I really wish someone would tell Josh Horowitz that a good interviewer shuts up when your interviewee is talking, they don’t constantly say “yeah… yeah… yeah” all the way though. He’s annoyed me for a while with that! :)

    A bit like the pope: whoever enters the Conclave as pope leaves as cardinal.

    Heh! I've not heard that before, that's a good one.

    Not sure how applicable it is to Bond, but the media's favourite, or the general public's favourite rarely ends up being Bond. It only ever happened with Brosnan, I think, and even he suffered from entering the process as Bond in 1986.
    How about Moore in 1973?

    Yeah, should probably have added it, Moore too, although I'm not sure how the general public was following it then. In any case, Moore and Brosnan (one out of two for the latter), overall my comparison stands.

    I would say Dalton isnt too much behind when compared Moore and Brosnan.

    The general public in the UK didn’t know who Dalton was. My mum told me he was ‘some American’. Most kids here were hoping for Lewis Collins (‘Bodie’ from The Professionals), and I would say he was the Clive Owen of his day.

    Someone like Collins would have been good if Dalton would have been say no.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    I'd have really liked to have seen Collins do it, I think he'd have been very good- I think I might have even preferred him to Dalton, as he's got that self-assured, full of himself 007 swagger that Dalton never really nailed.
    Although there is a chance with him it could have felt a little arrogant and smug, he dances on that line somewhat.
  • MSL49MSL49 Finland
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    007HallY wrote: »
    MSL49 wrote: »
    007HallY wrote: »
    I mean, he was fine I guess in the Argylle post credits... I'm not sure he really screamed Bond though.... same for Enola Holmes.

    Honestly, the boy's so young I think it's impossible to tell if there's any Bond potential there. I personally find him a bit feminine/androgynous looking (he's a good looking kid, but I think that element is something he leans into and is part of his appeal. It's no slight against how he comes off onscreen or how he could look when he's older - but again, it doesn't scream Bond to me right now, and it's all part of that sense he's simply way too young, or potentially really not right for the role anyway). He's a good actor and I'm sure he has great stuff ahead. That said I don't think he's even comparable to Henry Cavill when he was in his early 20s. And no, I certainly wouldn't say from what I've seen he's a better actor, nor does he have a more commanding screen presence than Harris Dickinson (I can understand having reservations about Dickinson as Bond or thinking he doesn't quite have the right qualities for the character, but the guy is genuinely a magnetic actor, and I'd say he made much more impact onscreen when he was Partridge's age - Beach Rats, Postcards From London etc).

    How would you describe Cavill in his early 20s?

    Much more stereotypically masculine than Partidge, regardless of what I think of him as an actor ;)
    talos7 wrote: »
    I hope Elordi and Harris both join Clive Owen on the list of “ sure thing “ potential Bonds who are never cast.

    Honestly, there's a good chance both are unlikely to get the role. It's not an issue of fate or the most discussed person destined not to get the role. It's just that there are so many possibilities.
    Agreed Cavill looked like man in that screentest what leaked last winter.
  • MSL49MSL49 Finland
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    007HallY wrote: »
    MSL49 wrote: »
    007HallY wrote: »
    I mean, he was fine I guess in the Argylle post credits... I'm not sure he really screamed Bond though.... same for Enola Holmes.

    Honestly, the boy's so young I think it's impossible to tell if there's any Bond potential there. I personally find him a bit feminine/androgynous looking (he's a good looking kid, but I think that element is something he leans into and is part of his appeal. It's no slight against how he comes off onscreen or how he could look when he's older - but again, it doesn't scream Bond to me right now, and it's all part of that sense he's simply way too young, or potentially really not right for the role anyway). He's a good actor and I'm sure he has great stuff ahead. That said I don't think he's even comparable to Henry Cavill when he was in his early 20s. And no, I certainly wouldn't say from what I've seen he's a better actor, nor does he have a more commanding screen presence than Harris Dickinson (I can understand having reservations about Dickinson as Bond or thinking he doesn't quite have the right qualities for the character, but the guy is genuinely a magnetic actor, and I'd say he made much more impact onscreen when he was Partridge's age - Beach Rats, Postcards From London etc).

    How would you describe Cavill in his early 20s?

    Much more stereotypically masculine than Partidge, regardless of what I think of him as an actor ;)
    talos7 wrote: »
    I hope Elordi and Harris both join Clive Owen on the list of “ sure thing “ potential Bonds who are never cast.

    Honestly, there's a good chance both are unlikely to get the role. It's not an issue of fate or the most discussed person destined not to get the role. It's just that there are so many possibilities.

    I remember seeing Cavill in The Count of Monte Cristo and I Capture the Castle and being surprised to hear he had been in the running for Superman (the one he didn’t get). He just seemed too boyish and wimpy. I wouldn’t have said Partridge, from what little I’ve seen of him (Enola Holmes 2), appears less masculine, imo.

    What you guys think Cavill instead Routh in Superman Returns?
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    Another old tactic to make a case against an actor someone doesn’t favor; I’ve probably used it. Lol.
    Find the least flattering , or appropriate, photo that actor has ever taken.
  • MSL49MSL49 Finland
    Posts: 671
    Jordo007 wrote: »
    Given the late 20's/early 30's young Bond criteria, I wonder who the top 5 are for screentest? How young/old will they go? 26 to 35 years old?

    Does it rule out for example, James Norton, Josh O'Connor and maybe even Aaron Taylor Johnson

    I would say no younger than 22 or older than 38.
  • MSL49MSL49 Finland
    Posts: 671
    007HallY wrote: »
    007HallY wrote: »
    MSL49 wrote: »
    007HallY wrote: »
    I mean, he was fine I guess in the Argylle post credits... I'm not sure he really screamed Bond though.... same for Enola Holmes.

    Honestly, the boy's so young I think it's impossible to tell if there's any Bond potential there. I personally find him a bit feminine/androgynous looking (he's a good looking kid, but I think that element is something he leans into and is part of his appeal. It's no slight against how he comes off onscreen or how he could look when he's older - but again, it doesn't scream Bond to me right now, and it's all part of that sense he's simply way too young, or potentially really not right for the role anyway). He's a good actor and I'm sure he has great stuff ahead. That said I don't think he's even comparable to Henry Cavill when he was in his early 20s. And no, I certainly wouldn't say from what I've seen he's a better actor, nor does he have a more commanding screen presence than Harris Dickinson (I can understand having reservations about Dickinson as Bond or thinking he doesn't quite have the right qualities for the character, but the guy is genuinely a magnetic actor, and I'd say he made much more impact onscreen when he was Partridge's age - Beach Rats, Postcards From London etc).

    How would you describe Cavill in his early 20s?

    Much more stereotypically masculine than Partidge, regardless of what I think of him as an actor ;)
    talos7 wrote: »
    I hope Elordi and Harris both join Clive Owen on the list of “ sure thing “ potential Bonds who are never cast.

    Honestly, there's a good chance both are unlikely to get the role. It's not an issue of fate or the most discussed person destined not to get the role. It's just that there are so many possibilities.

    I remember seeing Cavill in The Count of Monte Cristo and I Capture the Castle and being surprised to hear he had been in the running for Superman (the one he didn’t get). He just seemed too boyish and wimpy. I wouldn’t have said Partridge, from what little I’ve seen of him (Enola Holmes), appears less masculine, imo.

    Really?

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    He reminds me a bit of a young Jamie Campbell Bower, both looks and performance wise (Bower's another good looking guy incidentally and not a bad actor, but definitely has a 'prettiness' to him, and I'm not sure he was ever going to be in the running for Bond. Also very much in the realm of 'character actor' rather than 'star'. I'd say the same about the appearance of, say, a young Johnny Depp or Leonardo DiCaprio, although Partidge isn't anywhere near as good an actor and both those actors were big even then).

    Incidentally I don't necessarily mind if the actor isn't as rugged as someone like Connery or Craig, or even if they have that softer element to their good looks, especially at a younger age. But they really have to show in some way through their performances that they're able to convey 'Bond' (I was actually interested in Tom Hughes at one point after seeing him in a show called The Game where I thought he was very Bondian, and I'd say he also has that quality to his looks, but has something quite interesting/enigmatic about him. I have yet to be really impressed by something Patridge has been in, let alone see anything that could be 'Bond').

    I've not seen Count of Monte Cristo in a while, and I'm going to guess I did so with hindsight about Cavill. From what I remember the role required him to be quite boyish (if that's the right description, and he was very young), but he had a noticeable steeliness to him that came through.

    I can see young Bond in those pictures.
  • MSL49MSL49 Finland
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    talos7 wrote: »
    Another old tactic to make a case against an actor someone doesn’t favor; I’ve probably used it. Lol.
    Find the least flattering , or appropriate, photo that actor has ever taken.

    Craig haters had those in the lockers.
  • Posts: 2,421
    MSL49 wrote: »
    Jordo007 wrote: »
    Given the late 20's/early 30's young Bond criteria, I wonder who the top 5 are for screentest? How young/old will they go? 26 to 35 years old?

    Does it rule out for example, James Norton, Josh O'Connor and maybe even Aaron Taylor Johnson

    I would say no younger than 22 or older than 38.

    25-35 is more likely.

    If they can't find a decent actor in that range, they shouldn't bother doing a reboot.
  • edited 3:28pm Posts: 6,033
    talos7 wrote: »
    Another old tactic to make a case against an actor someone doesn’t favor; I’ve probably used it. Lol.
    Find the least flattering , or appropriate, photo that actor has ever taken.

    I think those photos are quite flattering personally! Not Bondian, but neither are Moore's photos as a sweater model early in his career. I think it's fair to say Patridge isn't exactly a rugged looking guy though, at least as of now. Again, that's fine insofar as there's any indication from his performances that he has something Bondian about him... unfortunately I just don't see that, and he's not exactly a stand out in this Guinness show from what I saw. I just don't see much hint of a commanding screen presence as of now, although he's very accomplished, talented, and has a career ahead of him hopefully. I'd be interested in seeing him in 12 years as a potential. Genuinely think he could be a good Robin now though. But as of now there's that distinct lack of gravitas.
    MSL49 wrote: »
    007HallY wrote: »
    007HallY wrote: »
    MSL49 wrote: »
    007HallY wrote: »
    I mean, he was fine I guess in the Argylle post credits... I'm not sure he really screamed Bond though.... same for Enola Holmes.

    Honestly, the boy's so young I think it's impossible to tell if there's any Bond potential there. I personally find him a bit feminine/androgynous looking (he's a good looking kid, but I think that element is something he leans into and is part of his appeal. It's no slight against how he comes off onscreen or how he could look when he's older - but again, it doesn't scream Bond to me right now, and it's all part of that sense he's simply way too young, or potentially really not right for the role anyway). He's a good actor and I'm sure he has great stuff ahead. That said I don't think he's even comparable to Henry Cavill when he was in his early 20s. And no, I certainly wouldn't say from what I've seen he's a better actor, nor does he have a more commanding screen presence than Harris Dickinson (I can understand having reservations about Dickinson as Bond or thinking he doesn't quite have the right qualities for the character, but the guy is genuinely a magnetic actor, and I'd say he made much more impact onscreen when he was Partridge's age - Beach Rats, Postcards From London etc).

    How would you describe Cavill in his early 20s?

    Much more stereotypically masculine than Partidge, regardless of what I think of him as an actor ;)
    talos7 wrote: »
    I hope Elordi and Harris both join Clive Owen on the list of “ sure thing “ potential Bonds who are never cast.

    Honestly, there's a good chance both are unlikely to get the role. It's not an issue of fate or the most discussed person destined not to get the role. It's just that there are so many possibilities.

    I remember seeing Cavill in The Count of Monte Cristo and I Capture the Castle and being surprised to hear he had been in the running for Superman (the one he didn’t get). He just seemed too boyish and wimpy. I wouldn’t have said Partridge, from what little I’ve seen of him (Enola Holmes), appears less masculine, imo.

    Really?

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    26ca5e4f3c88ab0e9854a06eb37b52fa.jpg

    He reminds me a bit of a young Jamie Campbell Bower, both looks and performance wise (Bower's another good looking guy incidentally and not a bad actor, but definitely has a 'prettiness' to him, and I'm not sure he was ever going to be in the running for Bond. Also very much in the realm of 'character actor' rather than 'star'. I'd say the same about the appearance of, say, a young Johnny Depp or Leonardo DiCaprio, although Partidge isn't anywhere near as good an actor and both those actors were big even then).

    Incidentally I don't necessarily mind if the actor isn't as rugged as someone like Connery or Craig, or even if they have that softer element to their good looks, especially at a younger age. But they really have to show in some way through their performances that they're able to convey 'Bond' (I was actually interested in Tom Hughes at one point after seeing him in a show called The Game where I thought he was very Bondian, and I'd say he also has that quality to his looks, but has something quite interesting/enigmatic about him. I have yet to be really impressed by something Patridge has been in, let alone see anything that could be 'Bond').

    I've not seen Count of Monte Cristo in a while, and I'm going to guess I did so with hindsight about Cavill. From what I remember the role required him to be quite boyish (if that's the right description, and he was very young), but he had a noticeable steeliness to him that came through.

    I can see young Bond in those pictures.

    I can see a bit of Timothy Dalton with the cleft chin and black hair, but (at least going from his performances) without as much of the broodiness or steeliness.

    It comes down to performance for me rather than entirely on looks (yes, they do matter, but an actor is always a full impression, not just a snapshot).
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
    edited 4:00pm Posts: 8,653
    My ultimate point about those photos, I should have been more clear, is that they aren’t remotely Bond.
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    Maybe let Bond continue. Recalibrated not reset.
  • edited 3:58pm Posts: 6,033
    That's fair. I suppose I was just trying to use it as an illustration to show that I see Patridge objectively as... well a bit of a 'pretty boy' honestly, and it's something he obviously leans into publicly to some extent with some of those shoots (and I'm really not trying to say it in a bad way and genuinely think it's only one aspect of him - many wonderful actors could have been described as a bit feminine/androgynous when young. They get older, hone their acting style, and perhaps gain more gravitas. That's fine, most of us are baby faced at 22. I don't think Patridge is there yet, and it wouldn't work if he were cast as Bond when you take him as a whole. Honestly, I'm not even sure if he quite has the potential for Bond at all, but we'll see).
  • edited 4:03pm Posts: 7,037
    So, sometimes the argument that photos of actors aren't the best means to see anything regarding Bond potencial (example: My friends in the North Craig pictures with long hair) is ok, and then other times, it's not ok...

    Cmon gents, let's be fair. Partridge and Elordi are both masculine.
  • edited 4:21pm Posts: 6,033
    Univex wrote: »
    So, sometimes the argument that photos of actors aren't the best means to see anything regarding Bond potencial (example: My friends in the North Craig pictures with long hair) is ok, and then other times, it's not ok...

    Not the argument I was making about Partridge or my intention, no ;) I'm saying the chap lacks gravitas, is too young for Bond, and hasn't given any indication he'd be able to handle the role. I don't see a commanding screen presence, and if anything I suspect the fact he looks like a youngish Dalton helps him more easily fit into what some want to see in regards to Bond, even if Bondian qualities aren't necessarily there in his performances currently. Sorry to say.

    But it's not our decision, and no one knows ultimately :)
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited 4:25pm Posts: 19,236
    007HallY wrote: »
    That's fair. I suppose I was just trying to use it as an illustration to show that I see Patridge objectively as... well a bit of a 'pretty boy' honestly, and it's something he obviously leans into publicly to some extent with some of those shoots (and I'm really not trying to say it in a bad way and genuinely think it's only one aspect of him - many wonderful actors could have been described as a bit feminine/androgynous when young. They get older, hone their acting style, and perhaps gain more gravitas. That's fine, most of us are baby faced at 22. I don't think Patridge is there yet, and it wouldn't work if he were cast as Bond when you take him as a whole. Honestly, I'm not even sure if he quite has the potential for Bond at all, but we'll see).

    I think he's a good actor, there's much worse around, but I'm not sensing this immense presence that a few people are talking about. He might well get there, but (and this is probably a bit random but leaps to mind) I remember seeing Florence Pugh in Little Drummer Girl when she was the same age and being blown away: right there was a clear star, just that sort of next level of performer who draws you in with their performance, and that's the sort of actor I want as Bond. I'm not getting it with Partridge yet, if there's a standout performance of his I've missed I'd like to check it out. There are much more magnetic performances besides him in Guinness from the couple of eps I've seen.
    In terms of the boyishness, I think he can persuade that he's older than his years but it is a factor, I don't know how much 'been there, seen that' swagger I'd buy from him. Although I'm still not totally averse to the idea of seeing a younger Bond so I might not be too concerned by that.

    I want someone who fills the screen with their performance, so someone like O'Connor or Pierre or Dickinson is much higher up my list. I think Turner's up there too although he hasn't fully convinced me just yet.
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    mtm wrote: »
    007HallY wrote: »
    That's fair. I suppose I was just trying to use it as an illustration to show that I see Patridge objectively as... well a bit of a 'pretty boy' honestly, and it's something he obviously leans into publicly to some extent with some of those shoots (and I'm really not trying to say it in a bad way and genuinely think it's only one aspect of him - many wonderful actors could have been described as a bit feminine/androgynous when young. They get older, hone their acting style, and perhaps gain more gravitas. That's fine, most of us are baby faced at 22. I don't think Patridge is there yet, and it wouldn't work if he were cast as Bond when you take him as a whole. Honestly, I'm not even sure if he quite has the potential for Bond at all, but we'll see).

    I think he's a good actor, there's much worse around, but I'm not sensing this immense presence that a few people are talking about. He might well get there, but (and this is probably a bit random but leaps to mind) I remember seeing Florence Pugh in Little Drummer Girl when she was the same age and being blown away: right there was a clear star, just that sort of next level of performer who draws you in with their performance, and that's the sort of actor I want as Bond. I'm not getting it with Partridge yet, if there's a standout performance of his I've missed I'd like to check it out. There are much more magnetic performances besides him in Guinness from the couple of eps I've seen.
    In terms of the boyishness, I think he can persuade that he's older than his years but it is a factor, I don't know how much 'been there, seen that' swagger I'd buy from him. Although I'm still not totally averse to the idea of seeing a younger Bond so I might not be too concerned by that.

    I want someone who fills the screen with their performance, so someone like O'Connor or Pierre or Dickinson is much higher up my list. I think Turner's up there too although he hasn't fully convinced me just yet.

    Yes, I think that's all a better way of putting it!
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