Who should/could be a Bond actor?

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  • ThunderballThunderball playing Chemin de Fer in a casino, downing Vespers
    edited May 21 Posts: 814
    We're judging him from outdated images? Okay... show us an up to date image of the guy. Until then, Doherty's got HARD NO written all over him as a Bond contender. And man, I looked at every image that I could find of the guy.
  • Jordo007Jordo007 Merseyside
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    I don't know Thomas Doherty outside of this thread, but I think him looking similar to Connery would work against him. The last 5 actors have all been compared to Connery as Bond, Doherty would be compared to him because he looks like him, it's not really fair.

    It's a weird comparison, but it reminds me of when a top model has a child and then the tabloids start comparing images of them both
  • edited May 21 Posts: 917
    Jordo007 wrote: »
    I don't know Thomas Doherty outside of this thread, but I think him looking similar to Connery would work against him. The last 5 actors have all been compared to Connery as Bond, Doherty would be compared to him because he looks like him, it's not really fair.

    It's a weird comparison, but it reminds me of when a top model has a child and then the tabloids start comparing images of them both

    Well, Craig looked like a Steve McQueen's stunt double and it worked fine.
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    Jordo007 wrote: »
    I don't know Thomas Doherty outside of this thread, but I think him looking similar to Connery would work against him. The last 5 actors have all been compared to Connery as Bond, Doherty would be compared to him because he looks like him, it's not really fair.

    It's a weird comparison, but it reminds me of when a top model has a child and then the tabloids start comparing images of them both

    Well, Craig looked like a Steve McQueen's stunt double and it worked fine.

    Last time I checked, Steve McQueen’s stunt double didn’t star in a Bond film, whereas @Jordo007 seems to making a simple observation that an actor that looks like the original James Bond, would the be somewhat a distraction and likely the odds of success, if he were cast as Bond, would be less because of the constant comparisons to Connery.

    I don’t think Doherty has the “it” factor to pull off Bond, but I could be wrong. However, I wouldn’t want to chance casting an actor that looks like Connery.

    Clean slate in all departments. No one will ever do anything resembling what Connery did as 007, ever again. Having an actor cast in the role who looks like him, would be a constant reminder.

    No thanks.
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    Yeah, the resemblance to Connery (without his distinct qualities as an actor) isn’t in his favour. Very different actors regardless.

    I think there needs to be more a grittiness to Bond, something more raw and as I’ve said before ‘harder edged’ about the actor needs to be there. There also needs to be a touch more warmth than what I’ve seen from Doherty too. But of course I could be proven laughably wrong.

    Again, nothing against him, it’s just as far as I can see it’s a fundamentally different set of qualities than what he possesses.
  • Jordo007Jordo007 Merseyside
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    @peter thanks mate, spot on as always. I don't really know enough to judge Doherty if I'm honest
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    Jordo007 wrote: »
    @peter thanks mate, spot on as always. I don't really know enough to judge Doherty if I'm honest

    No problem, 😂! I’m in the exact position as you!
  • Informe_James_BondInforme_James_Bond Dominican Republic
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    We're judging him from outdated images? Okay... show us an up to date image of the guy. Until then, Doherty's got HARD NO written all over him as a Bond contender. And man, I looked at every image that I could find of the guy.

    The same situation of Daniel Craig before October 14th, 2005 when he was presented as the sixth James Bond. With all the outdated images we had look of him before that, we said that he couldn't be Bond. 🤷🏽‍♂️ The same situation!!

    You can look at every picture you can find of Thomas Doherty and you won't see him as James Bond...you won't see him as Bond now.

    What I mean is, don't belittle just because you're looking it now.

    ;)
  • ThunderballThunderball playing Chemin de Fer in a casino, downing Vespers
    edited May 22 Posts: 814
    We're judging him from outdated images? Okay... show us an up to date image of the guy. Until then, Doherty's got HARD NO written all over him as a Bond contender. And man, I looked at every image that I could find of the guy.

    The same situation of Daniel Craig before October 14th, 2005 when he was presented as the sixth James Bond. With all the outdated images we had look of him before that, we said that he couldn't be Bond. 🤷🏽‍♂️ The same situation!!

    You can look at every picture you can find of Thomas Doherty and you won't see him as James Bond...you won't see him as Bond now.

    What I mean is, don't belittle just because you're looking it now.

    ;)

    So what, we're looking at Doherty as Bond in a dozen years? That's how I should judge him? No. I should judge a prospect on how he might work in the role in three or four years from now. And by that metric, I say no. I guarantee you that Craig looked more the part around the time he was doing Road to Perdition, say.
  • SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ Lekki, Lagos, Nigeria
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    Well, all good points guys.
    Robert Pattinson is the most recent example of not knowing who's right for a part, until he takes the part. Even iconic Michael Keaton was never seen as Batman, until he played the part, kudos to Tim Burton for seeing it early.
  • Informe_James_BondInforme_James_Bond Dominican Republic
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    So what, we're looking at Doherty as Bond in a dozen years? That's how I should judge him? No. I should judge a prospect on how he might work in the role in three or four years from now. And by that metric, I say no. I guarantee you that Craig looked more the part around the time he was doing Road to Perdition, say.

    Ok, Mr. Broccoli.

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    Well, all good points guys.
    Robert Pattinson is the most recent example of not knowing who's right for a part, until he takes the part. Even iconic Michael Keaton was never seen as Batman, until he played the part, kudos to Tim Burton for seeing it early.

    I totally agree with you and that's what I say. People are underestimating because of the actor's images. However, there are many examples of actors who when they were announced to play X characters, the fans and press reject them but when they see him on screen performing the character they accept him and praise him. Heath Ledger as Joker, Michael Keaton as Batman, Robert Downey Jr. as Iron Man, Hugh Jackman as Wolverine, etc...

    Now it turns out that Daniel Craig looked like James Bond in Road to Perdition. It is very easy to say that now and not in 2002.

    :D
  • edited May 23 Posts: 917
    Thomas Doherty is not famous enough.

    Sure, they won't hire a big name but they need an "almost star".

    Daniel Craig is a good example.
  • BennyBenny In the shadowsAdministrator, Moderator
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    Thomas Doherty is not famous enough.

    Sure, they won't hire a big name but they need an "almost star".

    Daniel Craig is a good example.

    Gotta admit, I have to agree with you on this one @DEKE_RIVERS
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    So what, we're looking at Doherty as Bond in a dozen years? That's how I should judge him? No. I should judge a prospect on how he might work in the role in three or four years from now. And by that metric, I say no. I guarantee you that Craig looked more the part around the time he was doing Road to Perdition, say.

    Ok, Mr. Broccoli.

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    Well, all good points guys.
    Robert Pattinson is the most recent example of not knowing who's right for a part, until he takes the part. Even iconic Michael Keaton was never seen as Batman, until he played the part, kudos to Tim Burton for seeing it early.

    I totally agree with you and that's what I say. People are underestimating because of the actor's images. However, there are many examples of actors who when they were announced to play X characters, the fans and press reject them but when they see him on screen performing the character they accept him and praise him. Heath Ledger as Joker, Michael Keaton as Batman, Robert Downey Jr. as Iron Man, Hugh Jackman as Wolverine, etc...

    Now it turns out that Daniel Craig looked like James Bond in Road to Perdition. It is very easy to say that now and not in 2002.

    :D

    It depends on how you want to judge them. If we’re just going by Doherty’s image (although I think the concern about him looking like Connery 2.0 is valid, but not a deal breaker with the right candidate) then I’d say that’s unfair and gets us into the realm of writing off certain actors who could be good. Personally my issue has always been with his screen presence and acting style. It just doesn’t give me the impression he’d be suited to it even when playing characters with similar qualities to Bond. But hey, I’d love to be wrong.

    It’s worth noting that while a few of those actors likely had their detractors prior to their film’s release, there was a logic in casting them that could be seen from their previous work. Heath Ledger was for all intents and purposes a character actor (albeit a young one entering that stage of his career) and had some critically acclaimed performances under his belt. Robert Downey Jr. had already been a star/had a good deal of charisma anyway, so Iron Man was a pretty solid comeback vehicle and in many ways matched his own personality. Robert Pattinson is another (actually rather famous) actor who’d starred in smaller, darker character driven films prior to The Batman (I actually thought he was a somewhat obvious choice when he was announced for the very specific type of Batman film they were trying to make). But on the flip side you have Keaton as Batman, who was a very consciously left field choice to the point he didn’t physically resemble the character (although he’d worked with Burton previously), and Jackman who I guess simply wasn’t a big actor so no one knew what to expect.
    Benny wrote: »
    Thomas Doherty is not famous enough.

    Sure, they won't hire a big name but they need an "almost star".

    Daniel Craig is a good example.

    Gotta admit, I have to agree with you on this one @DEKE_RIVERS

    I reckon that’s most likely too.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    Benny wrote: »
    Thomas Doherty is not famous enough.

    Sure, they won't hire a big name but they need an "almost star".

    Daniel Craig is a good example.

    Gotta admit, I have to agree with you on this one @DEKE_RIVERS

    Honestly, that's Josh O'Connor, although he might be too big a star by the time filming starts.
  • edited May 23 Posts: 3,256
    Weirdly, after seeing Challengers a couple of days ago, I feel I've kinda gone off of O'Connor for Bond. Which is strange considering I've generally been positive about him. I wasn't a huge fan of the film in general mind, and I've really liked him in other stuff (particularly Only You and God's Own Country). I dunno what it was exactly - he played a character who, at least at a certain point in the story, has charisma, sex appeal, and a sort of roguish element, similar to Bond in some ways, but he didn't quite nail it for me.

    It might just be that I find him better suited to more reserved roles, and that's not a bad thing for Bond. I think another issue for me may have been that O'Connor is playing the character in his early 20s for a portion of the film, and it's quite distracting considering he's very obviously above 30. But yeah, I was really conflicted about him in that movie.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    echo wrote: »
    Benny wrote: »
    Thomas Doherty is not famous enough.

    Sure, they won't hire a big name but they need an "almost star".

    Daniel Craig is a good example.

    Gotta admit, I have to agree with you on this one @DEKE_RIVERS

    Honestly, that's Josh O'Connor, although he might be too big a star by the time filming starts.

    He’s the right sort of level of fame and experience, yeah. But I think he might go for more interesting film choices.
    But then again I guess I might have said the same of Craig a few years before he took Bond too, his filmography was mostly interesting dramatic roles.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    mtm wrote: »
    echo wrote: »
    Benny wrote: »
    Thomas Doherty is not famous enough.

    Sure, they won't hire a big name but they need an "almost star".

    Daniel Craig is a good example.

    Gotta admit, I have to agree with you on this one @DEKE_RIVERS

    Honestly, that's Josh O'Connor, although he might be too big a star by the time filming starts.

    He’s the right sort of level of fame and experience, yeah. But I think he might go for more interesting film choices.
    But then again I guess I might have said the same of Craig a few years before he took Bond too, his filmography was mostly interesting dramatic roles.

    Yes, both he and Mescal (a bigger name) seem to be going for more indie choices, sometimes in the same film!

    https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/josh-oconnor-paul-mescal-lgbt-romance-history-of-sound-1235039263/
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    Both would be a big no for me; I don’t see Bond in either one.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    talos7 wrote: »
    Both would be a big no for me; I don’t see Bond in either one.

    Make that two.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    echo wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    echo wrote: »
    Benny wrote: »
    Thomas Doherty is not famous enough.

    Sure, they won't hire a big name but they need an "almost star".

    Daniel Craig is a good example.

    Gotta admit, I have to agree with you on this one @DEKE_RIVERS

    Honestly, that's Josh O'Connor, although he might be too big a star by the time filming starts.

    He’s the right sort of level of fame and experience, yeah. But I think he might go for more interesting film choices.
    But then again I guess I might have said the same of Craig a few years before he took Bond too, his filmography was mostly interesting dramatic roles.

    Yes, both he and Mescal (a bigger name) seem to be going for more indie choices, sometimes in the same film!

    https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/josh-oconnor-paul-mescal-lgbt-romance-history-of-sound-1235039263/

    I must admit I probably prefer the idea of Mescal; he seems like he's got something.
    If you check out the story (probably urban myth!) about him and Islington pubs then it definitely feels like he's not exactly unsuited to being our man James :D
  • meshypushymeshypushy Ireland
    Posts: 81
    mtm wrote: »
    I must admit I probably prefer the idea of Mescal; he seems like he's got something.
    If you check out the story (probably urban myth!) about him and Islington pubs then it definitely feels like he's not exactly unsuited to being our man James :D
    If not Bond, ‘Roger Moore’, at least!
  • SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ Lekki, Lagos, Nigeria
    edited May 26 Posts: 1,502
    mtm wrote: »
    echo wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    echo wrote: »
    Benny wrote: »
    Thomas Doherty is not famous enough.

    Sure, they won't hire a big name but they need an "almost star".

    Daniel Craig is a good example.

    Gotta admit, I have to agree with you on this one @DEKE_RIVERS

    Honestly, that's Josh O'Connor, although he might be too big a star by the time filming starts.

    He’s the right sort of level of fame and experience, yeah. But I think he might go for more interesting film choices.
    But then again I guess I might have said the same of Craig a few years before he took Bond too, his filmography was mostly interesting dramatic roles.

    Yes, both he and Mescal (a bigger name) seem to be going for more indie choices, sometimes in the same film!

    https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/josh-oconnor-paul-mescal-lgbt-romance-history-of-sound-1235039263/

    I must admit I probably prefer the idea of Mescal; he seems like he's got something.
    If you check out the story (probably urban myth!) about him and Islington pubs then it definitely feels like he's not exactly unsuited to being our man James :D

    Yeah. Mescal does no harm for me as well. Maybe Kelly Macdonald could be his M :)
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    I still think the franchise needs to go younger, going to throw my hat in the ring for Harris Dickinson again.

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  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    I've got nothing against that idea particularly. He's good, and experienced. Can do funny as well, I liked him in See How They Run.
  • Informe_James_BondInforme_James_Bond Dominican Republic
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    I think we should stop thinking about actors with blond hair. The case of Daniel Craig's Bond I don't think it will happen again.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    A blond actor is but a dye away from not being a blond actor. I don't think the hair colour is an issue. Connery wore a toupée and that didn't present a problem either.
  • Jordo007Jordo007 Merseyside
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    I still think the franchise needs to go younger, going to throw my hat in the ring for Harris Dickinson again.

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    Not a bad shout, although he looks like one of my favourite footballers, Fernando Torres, in the last pic 😅

    If we're aiming younger I still think George MacKay could be a dark horse. I've only seen him in 1917, but his intensity and vulnerability grounded the film massively. Really underrated.
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    Dickinson’s a bit young I think, but to be fair to him he gives the impression of being older. I think he’d potentially be a good choice, but very much an unexpected one.
  • peterpeter Toronto
    edited June 3 Posts: 8,916
    Good call by @Pierce2Daniel

    ... Test screenings for Baby Girl happened last night, and by all accounts, Dickinson is getting HUGE accolades..

    Considering he's starring with a Hollywood heavyweight/legend in Nicole Kidman, and he's the one everyone is gushing about.....

    I have to assume, this attention will get EoN sliding eyes at this young man (if they haven't already...)
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