SPECTRE: It grossed $880 Million Worldwide (..and 2015 was the biggest box office year so far)

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  • Posts: 11,119
    "SPECTRE" now 9th on the IMDB-Movie-Meter :-):

    http://www.imdb.com/search/title?at=0&sort=moviemeter,asc&title_type=feature&year=2015,2015

    This is the list from all 'big' blockbusters that still need to premiere in 2015:
    #009: "James Bond 24: SPECTRE"
    #014: "Star Wars 7: The Force Awakens"
    #032: "The Hunger Games 4: Mockingjay Part 2"
    #062: "The Peanuts Movie"
    #065: "The Hateful Eight"
    #160: "The Good Dinosaur"
  • edited October 2015 Posts: 11,119
    antovolk wrote: »
    smitty wrote: »
    Isn't a Nov. 13 opening in China early given how late SF opened kind of a big deal story? I also just read that China is going to pile up Bond, Games and SWs openings very close together. At least it will cut down on SP bootlegging in China which seemed to hurt SF. @Antovolk, do you know any more details on the China opening. Wonder if the cast will show up for a premier. I would think they would.

    No cast premiere planned, and China are piling up SPECTRE (Nov 13), The Martian (November 15) and Hunger Games (November 20) close. HG and Martian are both in 3D so Bond is probably going to come bottom out of these 3. Think you confused Star Wars for Martian (SW is a month later, on Dec 17, China date still not announced but I think it'll be day and date with rest of world too)

    When it's a late opening it's usually a big story, when they pushed the last Hunger Games to February there that was a big story, but now it's been announced for November 20 it isn't.....


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    Relatively good news for "SPECTRE"s release date in China (Thank you @Antovolk)! It will premiere in China only one week after the USA release date: November 13th.




    THE GOOD NEWS:

    --> "SPECTRE" will now most definately not suffer from piracy in China. Something that really hurt the "SkyFall" China box office back in early 2013.

    --> It has a (albeit very short) headstart over "The Martian", which will premiere on Sunday November 15th, and "The Hunger Games 4: Mockingjay Part 2", which will premiere Friday November 20th, perhaps creating some extra buzz among Chinese audiences if this more action-heavy Bond film is being well-received.

    --> "SPECTRE" will now most certainly end up no# 1 during its first weekend in China, and it can profit from possible good reviews there.

    --> Previous non-3D movies, that were heavily relying on IMAX-tickets, did very well in China. Think about "Interstellar" ($121,990,000), "Mission: Impossible 5 - Rogue Nation" ($135,290,000) and "Furious 7" ($390,910,000). And that's despite their rather 'weird' opening days ("Interstellar" and "Rogue Nation" premiered on a Tuesday, "Furious 7" on a Sunday)

    --> "The Hunger Games 3: Mockingjay Part 1" was a big box office flop in China, thanks to a very late February 2015 release (it grossed $36,512,218). The 4th and final "Hunger Games"-film could still suffer from that, as not many Chinese are well-aware or well-acquainted with this franchise by now, despite the much better November 20th release date.

    --> It seems Sony Pictures hasn't been 'punished' by Chinese Authorities for those SonyLeaks and its ongoing narrative that Chinese backed hackers were in part responsible for these SonyLeaks. Overall this is good news for Sony Pictures.




    THE BAD NEWS:

    --> "SPECTRE", "The Martian" and "The Hunger Games 4" have been stacked up all very very closely to each other. A typical measure so that domestic Chinese productions are getting advantages and foreign productions suffer from it. This will result in box office loss for all three of them. They need to 'share' its earnings more or less. And probably therefore "SPECTRE" could end up 2nd among these three films.

    --> "SPECTRE" is the only film that will not show in 3D as compared to "Hunger Games 4" and "The Martian". And 3D is huge in China.




    TO SUMMARIZE:

    Despite "SPECTRE", "The Hunger Games 4: Mockingjay Part 2" and "The Martian" being piled up so closely with each other by Chinese authorities, I do think the overall news for "SPECTRE" premiering much closer to the global release date is way better news for the James Bond franchise. "SPECTRE" could profit much better from the usual buzz that goes with global release dates (November 6th more or less the biggest opening day).

    Expect cast and crew to be fully present around November 13th in China. I think the gala premieres of "SPECTRE" in Australia (November 12th), South-Korea (November 12th) and France (November 11th) will look now less crowded with famous cast and crew members. At this very moment Sony Pictures will be very busy organizing a huge publicity campaign in China.

    And yes, "SPECTRE" will suffer from the fact that "The Martian" and "Hunger Games 4" open so closely after one and another, but it will now still hugely improve on the mild box office gross from "SkyFall" in China ($59,234,352). I think it's safe to assume that "SPECTRE" will at least double that figure in China.

    I predict a $120 Million gross or more for "SPECTRE" in China. Which indeed is 'nothing' as compared to "Jurassic World", "Avengers 2" and "Furious 7", but should be seen as a huge figure for Sony Pictures. Another $1.1 Billion Dollar Bond is in the making. A 'victory' so to say for James Bond :-).
  • Expect cast and crew to be fully present around November 13th in China. I think the gala premieres of "SPECTRE" in Australia (November 12th), South-Korea (November 12th) and France (November 11th) will look now less crowded with famous cast and crew members.

    The French Première is now at the Grand Rex on October 29th.
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    There's a good chance I'm going to meet Naomie Harris in person in Zurich at the big movie premiere :) I'm quite excited especially since I have been a fan of her Moneypenny since the second I saw her in Skyfall.
    Thank God they didn't invite Ben Whishaw :)) but I would be nice to him anyway ;)
  • Posts: 11,119
    Expect cast and crew to be fully present around November 13th in China. I think the gala premieres of "SPECTRE" in Australia (November 12th), South-Korea (November 12th) and France (November 11th) will look now less crowded with famous cast and crew members.

    The French Première is now at the Grand Rex on October 29th.

    Is it the nationwide premiere? Or just the gala premiere??

    In The Netherlands there's the gala premiere and advanced screening on October 28th. Then the nationwide 'official' release date is October 29th.

    I always use the official release dates.

    By the way @BondJasonBond006.....good news for Chinese Bond fans too no???!!! November 13th premiere in China. And I also got information that "The Martian" will premiere in China even later; November 26th. That means that there's a BIG chance "SPECTRE" will exceed the rosiest box office expectations in China! I call that the nicest bit of news from today :-).
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    The China release date is the best bit of news in days.
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    Not if they are closely piling up opening dates for the other big films that are spaced out elsewhere.
  • Posts: 11,119
    smitty wrote: »
    Not if they are closely piling up opening dates for the other big films that are spaced out elsewhere.

    Even more so, this is way better than what happened to "SkyFall" back in 2013. Even if it does get piled up, it will now most certainly outperform the "SkyFall" box office gross in China. And it DOESN'T get piled up that much, as I got informed that "The Martian" will not premiere until November 26th in China. So basically, "SPECTRE" has one entire week, including a whole weekend, to stun the Chinese box office without too much competition.

    Moreover, and I find that perhaps even more important, we need to say a big welcome to our Chinese Bond fans I think! Because THEY don't need to wait such a long time to see "SPECTRE". For the Chinese Bond fans this is wonderful news.
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
    edited October 2015 Posts: 9,021
    @Gustav_Graves

    I'm getting quite nervous these days about the possible Box Office of Spectre.
    Somehow I have a bad feeling. If I look at this year so far it gets evident that not really a lot of movies can crack the billion.

    Minions doesn't count, that was a no-brainer with merchandising virtually overflowing earth. I have a 5 year-old daughter, I know what I'm speaking of. I went to see that bloody movie 5!! times with her. I do like it I have to say.

    Furious doesn't count either. Call me tactless but without Walker's death it wouldn't have made a billion.

    Avengers. That counts. That's an achievement.
    Jurassic World. That counts. A huge surprise, but then not if you think about the timing.
    I'm of the 90's generation and virtually ALL I know in my age range went to see it.
    And of course it attracted tons of new fans. And Dino's are always a draw.

    But that's it. Look at all the other franchises. Nowhere near the billion. And sorry to say, but SF was elevated by so many "outside" factors that Spectre simply doesn't have.

    As I said, I'm very unsure about all this. If Spectre makes 1.5 billion I will not really be surprised, if it makes 800 million neither.

    Anyhow, China will play some part in all this, but not the deciding factor in my opinion.
  • Posts: 11,119
    Trust me. "SPECTRE" will stun. Especially now we have certainty about the premiere date in China. James Bond has been in the news almost 24 hours a day. The 'free publicity' regarding possible successor's to Craig will help. All we have to do now is wait until the first reviews come in. $ 1.2 Billion globally sounds more and more feasible.
  • Expect cast and crew to be fully present around November 13th in China. I think the gala premieres of "SPECTRE" in Australia (November 12th), South-Korea (November 12th) and France (November 11th) will look now less crowded with famous cast and crew members.

    The French Première is now at the Grand Rex on October 29th.

    Is it the nationwide premiere? Or just the gala premiere??

    In The Netherlands there's the gala premiere and advanced screening on October 28th. Then the nationwide 'official' release date is October 29th.

    I always use the official release dates.

    As I said, the Première, not the release. I assumed that was what you meant when you said "crowded with famous cast and crew members."
  • The Martian release date in China is November the 26th, isn´t it? Maybe it has changed ...
    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt3659388/releaseinfo?ref_=tt_ov_inf
  • edited October 2015 Posts: 830
    Haha @Gustav_Graves I wish I could be so optimistic. I'm still thinking WITH the news probably 800-900 thousand.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited October 2015 Posts: 23,883
    I'm glad to hear about the advanced China release. That should help matters in terms of overall box office. Having said that, I saw the Martian on the weekend and there is Chinese participation in that film (in an important way) so that film could do rather well in China, at the expense of SP.

    I have come down on my SP box office estimate since the Sam Smith song, which is not as well received as Adele's, and DC's smack talk in the press (admittedly misquoted and admittedly outdated but however you cut it, this is wrong press at the wrong time which I think will have a small - not large - detrimental impact).

    My revised estimate is between $950m and $1bn total gross.
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    Given all the problems that SP has had to deal with, I think it will be lucky to not gross below $800m. Some overly enthusiastic estimates are ignoring the destructive leaks which the reviewers will dredge up, the pile up of too much Spy film competition which helped kill Uncle, a weak theme song, ill timed Craig comments, and a political agenda in the US that could try to critically undercut Craig's Bond to push Elba.

    And great cast aside, given the big script problems, we still have no idea if the film is critically good. I've also seen only 3 TV trailers. Sony may well be cutting back on expensive TV promotion. SP is burdened with just too many problems that SF never had to deal with. I'll be amazed if it can counteract all of these issues and still come in near 1 billion. I sure hope I'm wrong, but hoping won't make it so.
  • Posts: 11,119
    The Martian release date in China is November the 26th, isn´t it? Maybe it has changed ...
    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt3659388/releaseinfo?ref_=tt_ov_inf

    It has been changed from November 15th to November 25th (ChinaBoxOffice) / November 26th (Entgroup) indeed:

    Ottofuse8 wrote: »
    Haha @Gustav_Graves I wish I could be so optimistic. I'm still thinking WITH the news probably 800-900 thousand.

    "SPECTRE" will now most certainly double "SkyFall"s Chinese box office gross. I guess you meant to say $800-900 Million global box office gross no? I wouldn't count on it. At this stage "SPECTRE" is almost certainly the 2nd $1 Billion Dollar Bond film.




  • smitty wrote: »
    Given all the problems that SP has had to deal with, I think it will be lucky to not gross below $800m. Some overly enthusiastic estimates are ignoring the destructive leaks which the reviewers will dredge up

    I think you're being a bit overly fatalistic there, smitty. What can the leaks "do", at this point? That happened 10 months ago and has mostly been forgotten. I'm not sure how you mean people won't see a new Bond movie because some stuff leaked about it. The Casino Royale script was online for anyone to read before that film came out, and that film had massive negative buzz that vanished when people actually saw it.
    the pile up of too much Spy film competition which helped kill Uncle

    I think overall mediocrity, weak release date right after Mission Impossible, two non-stars, and the period piece angle had more to do with its failure.
    a weak theme song

    The theme song always gets heavily criticized, with Adele being the only exception. QOS, CR, DAD, the songs were all bashed on the internet. Anyway the new one got to No.1 in the UK charts, so obviously plenty of people are fine with it.
    ill timed Craig comments, and a political agenda in the US that could try to critically undercut Craig's Bond to push Elba.

    Well DC will be making a lot more comments in appearances over the next few weeks so we'll see how that works out.
    And great cast aside, given the big script problems, we still have no idea if the film is critically good. I've also seen only 3 TV trailers. Sony may well be cutting back on expensive TV promotion. SP is burdened with just too many problems that SF never had to deal with. I'll be amazed if it can counteract all of these issues and still come in near 1 billion. I sure hope I'm wrong, but hoping won't make it so.

    I recall a lot of media criticism of Skyfall. It had the buzz of being "cheap" and reports that the Shanghai scenes were being "axed", they couldn't find locations they wanted etc.

    Where do you live? In the US I would not expect to see too much in the way of TV ads just yet, we're still 4 weeks out from release. I saw an ad during the SNL season premiere. I would expect it to ramp up in the last two weeks. You don't want to ad-blitz it to death too early.
  • Posts: 11,119
    smitty wrote: »
    Given all the problems that SP has had to deal with, I think it will be lucky to not gross below $800m. Some overly enthusiastic estimates are ignoring the destructive leaks which the reviewers will dredge up, the pile up of too much Spy film competition which helped kill Uncle, a weak theme song, ill timed Craig comments, and a political agenda in the US that could try to critically undercut Craig's Bond to push Elba.

    And great cast aside, given the big script problems, we still have no idea if the film is critically good. I've also seen only 3 TV trailers. Sony may well be cutting back on expensive TV promotion. SP is burdened with just too many problems that SF never had to deal with. I'll be amazed if it can counteract all of these issues and still come in near 1 billion. I sure hope I'm wrong, but hoping won't make it so.

    You're way way way too fatalistic yes.
  • edited October 2015 Posts: 725
    the leaks will be used by critics and film opinion types to knock the film if they aren't high on the film. There was a lot if very negative stuff in those leaks from Sony suits, particular about the script.
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
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    smitty wrote: »
    the leaks will be used by critics and film opinion types to knock the film if they aren't high in the film. There was a lot if very negative stuff in those leaks from Sony suits, particular about the script.

    That can't be good.
  • Posts: 11,119
    smitty wrote: »
    the leaks will be used by critics and film opinion types to knock the film if they aren't high on the film. There was a lot if very negative stuff in those leaks from Sony suits, particular about the script.

    Just be patient and let the actual finished film do its work ok? At least, since you're a Bond fan, you have a nice Bond film coming up.

    Regarding your worries...again, they are way way too fatalistic...and unrealistic too.
  • edited October 2015 Posts: 725
    Have noted it before, but SF's huge B0 did SP no favors. Given that both CR and QOS both made $600m, I think SF raised the bar way to high. A $800m SP BO would be fine, but the press will bash SP for not doing as well as SF. MI5 won't go much beyond $700, like MI4, but it is viewed as a big hit because it doesn't have to live up to some crazy BO figure for a previous MI.
  • MurdockMurdock Mr. 2000
    edited October 2015 Posts: 16,035
    We'll see what happens after SPECTRE comes out. People have predicted the future before and were farther away from the reality.
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    A famous screenwriter named Goldman once said the smartest thing about films and film makers. Something like "Nobody knows anything." The business is a total crap shoot.
  • Posts: 11,119
    smitty wrote: »
    Have noted it before, but SF's huge B0 did SP no favors. Given that both CR and QOS both made $600m, I think SF raised the bar way to high. A $800m SP BO would be fine, but the press will bash SP for not doing as well as SF. MI5 won't go much beyond $700, like MI4, but it is viewed as a big hit because it doesn't have to live up to some crazy BO figure for a previous MI.

    An $800 Million box office would not be fine....if you look through the eyes of Sony's financial and marketing executives. That would not be a flop, but the talk of the town would be like Disney did earlier this year with "Avengers 2". It would not be a flop from the strictest sense, but it would score severely below Sony's expectations of the film...thus they consider it as a 'mild flop'. Especially when you take into account price inflation and the insane production budget.

    But again, this. will. not. happen. Trust me.

    By the way, you're talking quite a bit of nonsense when it comes down to the box office success of "SF". That's not a burden, that's a frikkin' assett man! It's one of the reasons why we do have all that ridiculous buzz about Craig's successor now! It's like a repeat of the 1960's. I do find it ridiculous, but it shows one vital thing: Anticipation for "SPECTRE" is insanely high again.

    "SPECTRE" will most likely join "Furious 7", "Jurassic World", "Minions" and "Avengers 2" in the 2015 $1 Billion Dollar club.
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    An $800 Million box office would not be fine....if you look through the eyes of Sony's financial and marketing executives. That would not be a flop, but the talk of the town would be like Disney did earlier this year with "Avengers 2". It would not be a flop from the strictest sense, but it would score severely below Sony's expectations of the film...thus they consider it as a 'mild flop'. Especially when you take into account price inflation and the insane production budget.

    But again, this. will. not. happen. Trust me.

    By the way, you're talking quite a bit of nonsense when it comes down to the box office success of "SF". That's not a burden, that's a frikkin' assett man! It's one of the reasons why we do have all that ridiculous buzz about Craig's successor now! It's like a repeat of the 1960's. I do find it ridiculous, but it shows one vital thing: Anticipation for "SPECTRE" is insanely high again.

    "SPECTRE" will most likely join "Furious 7", "Jurassic World", "Minions" and "Avengers 2" in the 2015 $1 Billion Dollar club.

    I'm loving your optimism\prediction GG and sincerely hope SPECTRE is indeed a billion box office behemoth!

    I agree that the huge success of SF should bode well for SP rather than suggest it will do badly. You only need to look at the YT comments for all the trailers and TV spots. People are DESPERATE to see this film. It should be a terrific opening weekend.

    As you can say it can also be like a repeat of the 60s. There was a Bond\Spy craze starting even back with FRWL and yet GF bettered that and of course TB then came along and went even better still. No reason why that can't happen again.

    SP is the film most of us have been waiting for - the fusion of the Craig era films with the previous ones of gadget laded Aston Martins, exploding villain's headquarters and classic henchmen. If Craig and Mendes have truly pulled off a 'best of both worlds'' film then I think this will be unstoppable.

    ... so as you can tell I am rather excited for the 26th! :\">
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    I don't share that optimism anymore but that can change again of course, I was asking around in my work place and got immediately depressed.
    The same people that almost went crazy of excitement in 2012 are now either not sure they'll go and see it or even had to ask when it arrives and what's it called.
    I had to do some serious convoncing :(
    I think there is just not enough marketing around.
  • RC7RC7
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    smitty wrote: »
    A famous screenwriter named Goldman once said the smartest thing about films and film makers. Something like "Nobody knows anything." The business is a total crap shoot.

    It's true. You just have to do things the way you want. You can't know how it'll be received and to predict it is a mugs game.
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    Is it possible the leaks created PR way too early so SP has been in the public eye for too long and there is an ellement of fatigue (just something I am sensing within my work colleagues) , especially compared to SF which was a pleasent surprise for many.
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    patb wrote: »
    Is it possible the leaks created PR way too early so SP has been in the public eye for too long and there is an ellement of fatigue (just something I am sensing within my work colleagues) , especially compared to SF which was a pleasent surprise for many.

    Haha.
    Just two months ago many people here claimed that there was too little PR for Spectre.
    And now it's too much and too early?
    I don't even think that 99,9% of the people got to know anything from the leaks.
    I even know people who don't know at THIS MOMENT, that there will be a new Bond movie in a couple of weeks.

    Star Wars had its first teaser trailer last years in November oder December, more than a year before the release. I don't think that will hurt the box office performance either.
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