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  • SirHenryLeeChaChingSirHenryLeeChaChing
    edited September 2013 Posts: 3,494
    Fine, forget the Nazi thing. I'm mostly German ethnically and I hate that reference. You can rank your personal list anyway you want to, it's you who has to be entertained. I'm not trying to tell you otherwise, but you seem to keep missing that point yourself.

    DAD as an overall product insults my intelligence as a cinematic and literary Bond fan of 45 years. That's what it comes down to. And for the second time now, please stop associating my opinions with those of Wiz like we have some complicit campaign to make you look like a chimp yourself. We just happen to agree, and other times we don't even remotely. You should read our pro/con debates on Lazenby sometime.
  • ShorelineShoreline
    Posts: 251
    SirHenryLeeChaChing wrote:
    @Shoreline- how do you figure I'm a Nazi based on having an opinion on OHMSS vs DAD, especially one that's largely accepted by most everyone? Who's writing off other's opinions now? It sure appears to me, especially given the insult you've just hurled at me, that you're quite the smug little Nazi yourself.

    And how is a movie like OHMSS with the most "fantastical" element being a relatively simple enough brainwashing plot involving biological warfare even compete with a diamond driven space laser, genetically altered humans, or invisible cars in the same sense? Or is this just another Nazi opinion too?

    Also, I never once wrote off you or anyone else's opinions.
    You keep on about what "most people think around here"
    I don't care, I don't "need" to fit in with a crowd.
    I had no idea some people here would get so enraged withy rankings.
    I'm the one who has been called names and its been insinuated that I rethinks opinions as they aren't like yours or others.

    This thread is getting weird....still, whatever floats your boat.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
    edited September 2013 Posts: 45,489
    Five stars
    DR NO
    FROM RUSSIA WITH LOVE
    GOLDFINGER
    ON HER MAJESTYS SECRET SERVICE
    CASINO ROYALE
    SKYFALL

    Four stars
    THE SPY WHO LOVED ME
    FOR YOUR EYES ONLY
    THE LIVING DAYLIGHTS
    LICENCE TO KILL
    QUANTUM OF SOLACE

    Three stars
    THUNDERBALL
    YOU ONLY LIVE TWICE

    Two stars
    DIAMONDS ARE FOREVER
    LIVE AND LET DIE
    THE MAN WITH THE GOLDEN GUN
    MOONRAKER
    OCTOPUSSY
    NEVER SAY NEVER AGAIN
    A VIEW TO A KILL

    One star
    CR54
    CR 67
    GOLDENEYE
    TOMORROW NEVER DIES
    THE WORLD IS NOT ENOUGH
    DIE ANOTHER DAY
  • identigraphidentigraph
    Posts: 1,052
    Well it's been a while so here goes -

    1.FYEO
    2.LALD
    3.OP
    4.TSWLM
    5.TMWTGG
    6.TLD
    7.LTK
    8.FRWL
    9.DR NO
    10.TND
    11.GE
    12.AVTAK
    13.OHMSS
    14.GF
    15.SF
    16.CR
    17.MR
    18.TWINE
    19.TB
    20.YOLT
    21.DAF
    22.QOS
    23.DAD
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
    Posts: 17,691
    Thunderfinger wrote:

    One star
    GOLDENEYE
    TOMORROW NEVER DIES
    THE WORLD IS NOT ENOUGH

    Would you like some fries with your Brosnan hate? :))
  • LicencedToKilt69007LicencedToKilt69007 Belgium, Wallonia
    Posts: 523
    My new list (Updated) :

    1) GoldenEye
    2) TWINE
    3) TND
    4) FRWL
    5) Goldfinger
    6) FYEO
    7) Dr No
    8) TSWLM
    9) Thunderball
    10) DAF
    11) Skyfall
    12) TLD
    13) DAD
    14) LALD
    15) Octopussy
    16) TMWTGG
    17) OHMSS
    18) AVTAK
    19) Moonraker
    20) CR
    21) LTK
    22) YOLT
    23) QOS

    ...NSNA
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
    Posts: 9,117
    LicencedToKilt69007 wrote:
    My new list (Updated) :

    1) GoldenEye
    2) TWINE
    3) TND
    4) FRWL
    5) Goldfinger
    6) FYEO
    7) Dr No
    8) TSWLM
    9) Thunderball
    10) DAF
    11) Skyfall
    12) TLD
    13) DAD
    14) LALD
    15) Octopussy
    16) TMWTGG
    17) OHMSS
    18) AVTAK
    19) Moonraker
    20) CR
    21) LTK
    22) YOLT
    23) QOS

    ...NSNA

    First we have someone who rates all the Brozza's below CR67 and then someone who has them top 3 and DAD above the likes of OHMSS, CR, LTK, YOLT and OP.

    I find it curiously intriguing that there seem to be so many people for whom their hate or love for the guy playing Bond seems to be utterly fundamental and the relative merits or flaws of the film as a whole are irrelevant to them.

    Yeah, yeah everyone entitled to his opinion and it would be boring if we all agreed blah blah blah but for me this is why the democratic process is disturbing when people are allowed to vote just based on do they like a blokes face rather than taking all the factors into account.
  • PerdoggPerdogg
    Posts: 686
    TheWizardOfIce wrote:
    but for me this is why the democratic process is disturbing when people are allowed to vote just based on do they like a blokes face rather than taking all the factors into account.

    There could be a correlation between the Bond actor and the state of the franchise when the actor was Bond.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
    Posts: 17,691
    LicencedToKilt69007 wrote:
    1) GoldenEye
    2) TWINE
    3) TND
    Would you like a cherry on top of your Brosnan love? :))
  • SirHenryLeeChaChingSirHenryLeeChaChing
    edited September 2013 Posts: 3,494
    While I certainly don't dismiss a poster's ability to speak intelligently on a variety of Bondian subjects outside of their personal favorite actor and era, some of these Brosnan fanboys clearly can't distinguish what does and doesn't constitute a good Bond film in the overall context of the series.

    @Perdogg- not sure what you mean here by "state of the franchise", as is often the case with me regarding most of what you post due to your endless contradictions of your prior statements, but clearly the franchise as it is now is in better shape than it was in the latter half of the Brosnan era regarding the lead actor and overall scripts. No doubt you have yet another of your outer space views in mind here, like your preference for an outright cinematic abortion of the Moonraker novel over a much more faithful adaptation of CR. If the last two Brosnan scripts were on the stove, we've have all died from tomaine poisoning by now.
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
    Posts: 17,816
    TheWizardOfIce wrote:
    LicencedToKilt69007 wrote:
    My new list (Updated) :

    1) GoldenEye
    2) TWINE
    3) TND
    4) FRWL
    5) Goldfinger
    6) FYEO
    7) Dr No
    8) TSWLM
    9) Thunderball
    10) DAF
    11) Skyfall
    12) TLD
    13) DAD
    14) LALD
    15) Octopussy
    16) TMWTGG
    17) OHMSS
    18) AVTAK
    19) Moonraker
    20) CR
    21) LTK
    22) YOLT
    23) QOS

    ...NSNA

    First we have someone who rates all the Brozza's below CR67 and then someone who has them top 3 and DAD above the likes of OHMSS, CR, LTK, YOLT and OP.

    I find it curiously intriguing that there seem to be so many people for whom their hate or love for the guy playing Bond seems to be utterly fundamental and the relative merits or flaws of the film as a whole are irrelevant to them.

    Yeah, yeah everyone entitled to his opinion and it would be boring if we all agreed blah blah blah but for me this is why the democratic process is disturbing when people are allowed to vote just based on do they like a blokes face rather than taking all the factors into account.

    Yes, the plebean masses are our Final Enemy, Mr Wizard. Let's set the world to rights! Some opinions are indeed "outer space", but we all have different takes on this whole James Bond thing, I guess. Nothing surprises me any more. But hey, I like Never Send Flowers.
  • pachazopachazo Make Your Choice
    Posts: 7,314
    TheWizardOfIce wrote:
    I find it curiously intriguing that there seem to be so many people for whom their hate or love for the guy playing Bond seems to be utterly fundamental and the relative merits or flaws of the film as a whole are irrelevant to them.

    Yeah, yeah everyone entitled to his opinion and it would be boring if we all agreed blah blah blah but for me this is why the democratic process is disturbing when people are allowed to vote just based on do they like a blokes face rather than taking all the factors into account.

    Agreed times infinity. I always find it a little frustrating when someone places all of a certain actor's movies at the top or at the bottom. It's a film ranking not an actor ranking.
  • SirHenryLeeChaChingSirHenryLeeChaChing
    edited September 2013 Posts: 3,494
    @pachazo- glad to see there are others who understand what people like Wiz and myself have been questioning. Preferring a certain actor above the others is hardly justification for overlooking better films. It's a very one dimensional view and rarely leads to intelligent debate.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
    Posts: 17,691
    pachazo wrote:
    It's a film ranking not an actor ranking.

    Well, like music & story, the actor is part of the mix. I prefer Connery slightly to Brosnan, yet I list TND above most Connery Bonds simply because I feel it's a better overall film. But while TND is IMO a better film than LTK, the power of Dalton cannot be denied, so I list that one higher than TND... and so on...
  • ShorelineShoreline
    Posts: 251
    TheWizardOfIce wrote:
    LicencedToKilt69007 wrote:
    My new list (Updated) :

    1) GoldenEye
    2) TWINE
    3) TND
    4) FRWL
    5) Goldfinger
    6) FYEO
    7) Dr No
    8) TSWLM
    9) Thunderball
    10) DAF
    11) Skyfall
    12) TLD
    13) DAD
    14) LALD
    15) Octopussy
    16) TMWTGG
    17) OHMSS
    18) AVTAK
    19) Moonraker
    20) CR
    21) LTK
    22) YOLT
    23) QOS

    ...NSNA

    First we have someone who rates all the Brozza's below CR67 and then someone who has them top 3 and DAD above the likes of OHMSS, CR, LTK, YOLT and OP.

    I find it curiously intriguing that there seem to be so many people for whom their hate or love for the guy playing Bond seems to be utterly fundamental and the relative merits or flaws of the film as a whole are irrelevant to them.

    Yeah, yeah everyone entitled to his opinion and it would be boring if we all agreed blah blah blah but for me this is why the democratic process is disturbing when people are allowed to vote just based on do they like a blokes face rather than taking all the factors into account.

    That'll be the old nazi logic kicking in again.
    Yeah right, democracy is so disturbing....
  • ShorelineShoreline
    Posts: 251
    identigraph wrote:
    Well it's been a while so here goes -

    1.FYEO
    2.LALD
    3.OP
    4.TSWLM
    5.TMWTGG
    6.TLD
    7.LTK
    8.FRWL
    9.DR NO
    10.TND
    11.GE
    12.AVTAK
    13.OHMSS
    14.GF
    15.SF
    16.CR
    17.MR
    18.TWINE
    19.TB
    20.YOLT
    21.DAF
    22.QOS
    23.DAD

    Awesome listings, great to see some love for the Moore era! Especially FYEO!!!!!
    Good man.
  • ShorelineShoreline
    Posts: 251
    SirHenryLeeChaChing wrote:
    @pachazo- glad to see there are others who understand what people like Wiz and myself have been questioning. Preferring a certain actor above the others is hardly justification for overlooking better films. It's a very one dimensional view and rarely leads to intelligent debate.

    Again, you seem to see things your way only.
    There are plenty of people here who have the Brosnan era ranked bottom.
    Yet, I just can't imagine you or Wizard questioning that.....???
  • thelivingroyalethelivingroyale
    edited September 2013 Posts: 12,837
    Recently watched GE and CR so my rankings have changed a bit. Here's my top 10 and I'll update it more at some point.

    1) LTK
    2) TLD
    3) TSWLM
    4) OHMSS
    5) GE
    6) SF
    7) TWINE
    8) OP
    9) GF
    10) CR

    I really want to fit FRWL and YOLT in somewhere but I like these films more so I guess they're 11th and 12th.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
    Posts: 17,691
    SirHenryLeeChaChing wrote:
    Preferring a certain actor above the others is hardly justification for overlooking better films. It's a very one dimensional view and rarely leads to intelligent debate.

    Okay, but then, are we ranking our favourites, or the 'best' Bond movies. How may one avoid listing movies with their favourite Bond actor high up if it's a favourites list? If it's a 'best' list, that's different.
  • SoundofthesinnersSoundofthesinners
    Posts: 3,236
    SirHenryLeeChaChing wrote:
    While I certainly don't dismiss a poster's ability to speak intelligently on a variety of Bondian subjects outside of their personal favorite actor and era, some of these Brosnan fanboys clearly can't distinguish what does and doesn't constitute a good Bond film in the overall context of the series.

    Not to mention the Brosnan hater just a few posts above. Really, this applies to all Bonds, as there are people so helplessly in the tank (or consumed by hatred) for all the Bonds that it prevents objective (or even semi-objective) rankings of the movies.
  • thelivingroyalethelivingroyale
    edited September 2013 Posts: 12,837
    chrisisall wrote:
    are we ranking our favourites, or the 'best' Bond movies. How may one avoid listing movies with their favourite Bond actor high up if it's a favourites list? If it's a 'best' list, that's different.

    Exactly. Objectively I think the best film of the series is probably CR (or maybe OHMSS) but my favourites are Daltons films and that'll never change.
    Soundofthesinners wrote:
    SirHenryLeeChaChing wrote:
    While I certainly don't dismiss a poster's ability to speak intelligently on a variety of Bondian subjects outside of their personal favorite actor and era, some of these Brosnan fanboys clearly can't distinguish what does and doesn't constitute a good Bond film in the overall context of the series.

    Not to mention the Brosnan hater just a few posts above. Really, this applies to all Bonds, as there are people so helplessly in the tank (or consumed by hatred) for all the Bonds that it prevents objective (or even semi-objective) rankings of the movies.

    That's something else to remember. If we're going to have a go at the likes of @Shoreline for ranking Brosnans films very highly then why aren't we tearing into @identigraph for having TMWTGG in his top 5 (not saying we should do, giving an example)?

    So don't make out it's just Brosnan fans because it applies to all the actors.
  • ShorelineShoreline
    Posts: 251
    thelivingroyale wrote:
    chrisisall wrote:
    are we ranking our favourites, or the 'best' Bond movies. How may one avoid listing movies with their favourite Bond actor high up if it's a favourites list? If it's a 'best' list, that's different.


    Exactly. Objectively I think the best film of the series is probably CR (or maybe OHMSS) but my favourites are Daltons films and that'll never change.
    Soundofthesinners wrote:
    SirHenryLeeChaChing wrote:
    While I certainly don't dismiss a poster's ability to speak intelligently on a variety of Bondian subjects outside of their personal favorite actor and era, some of these Brosnan fanboys clearly can't distinguish what does and doesn't constitute a good Bond film in the overall context of the series.

    Not to mention the Brosnan hater just a few posts above. Really, this applies to all Bonds, as there are people so helplessly in the tank (or consumed by hatred) for all the Bonds that it prevents objective (or even semi-objective) rankings of the movies.

    That's something else to remember. If we're going to have a go at the likes of @Shoreline for ranking Brosnans films very highly then why aren't we tearing into @identigraph for having TMWTGG in his top 5 (not saying we should do, giving an example)?

    So don't make out it's just Brosnan fans because it applies to all the actors.

    Give this man a gold star, for he is with brains...
  • SirHenryLeeChaChingSirHenryLeeChaChing
    edited September 2013 Posts: 3,494
    Shoreline wrote:
    SirHenryLeeChaChing wrote:
    @pachazo- glad to see there are others who understand what people like Wiz and myself have been questioning. Preferring a certain actor above the others is hardly justification for overlooking better films. It's a very one dimensional view and rarely leads to intelligent debate.

    Again, you seem to see things your way only.
    There are plenty of people here who have the Brosnan era ranked bottom.
    Yet, I just can't imagine you or Wizard questioning that.....???

    If you had a clue, you'd already know that my dislike for the Brosnan era doesn't extend to GE and TND. Like you said, you don't care what I have to say so I don't care what you have to say either. No one asked for you to come back and start up with us, your name was never mentioned, no one needs you to come to their rescue. I'm now going to ignore you, because you are clearly an instigator that thinks they are above justifying any statement they make, and I will flag you for it and the mods will deal with you.

    chrisisall wrote:
    SirHenryLeeChaChing wrote:
    Preferring a certain actor above the others is hardly justification for overlooking better films. It's a very one dimensional view and rarely leads to intelligent debate.

    Okay, but then, are we ranking our favourites, or the 'best' Bond movies. How may one avoid listing movies with their favourite Bond actor high up if it's a favourites list? If it's a 'best' list, that's different.

    Unfortunately, some people cannot distinguish the difference. You and @thelivingroyale have demonstrated the difference and a higher intelligence and grasp of logic.
    Soundofthesinners wrote:
    SirHenryLeeChaChing wrote:
    While I certainly don't dismiss a poster's ability to speak intelligently on a variety of Bondian subjects outside of their personal favorite actor and era, some of these Brosnan fanboys clearly can't distinguish what does and doesn't constitute a good Bond film in the overall context of the series.

    Not to mention the Brosnan hater just a few posts above. Really, this applies to all Bonds, as there are people so helplessly in the tank (or consumed by hatred) for all the Bonds that it prevents objective (or even semi-objective) rankings of the movies.

    I don't agree whatsoever with @Thunderfinger than GE and TND belong among the worst Bond films. I think it's wrong to bury those films just because one doesn't like Brosnan. And you are so right about those so helplessly in the tank that's they can't be bothered to debate. I'm not a hypocrite about these things. I look at these films objectively and not because I like this guy or don't like this guy, and that's that. Do I agree with @identigraph that TMWTGG is a top 5 film and better than FRWL at #8? Hell no! Clearly he's also overlooking better films himself out of too much love for Moore. But at least you can debate with him about these things and get an intelligent answer. That's all I've ever tried to do with anyone, for example if I ask someone what sane reason they'd have for rating DAD and MR above CR and OHMSS, I expect better than some half assed and smug "it's my opinion, how dare you question it, piss off if you don't like it you Nazi". Why? Because maybe I missed something and can learn from what they have to say. Even after 45 years, I was just saying this to @DarthDimi in PM yesterday, there are things that I question like "why did they do this, what was the motivation?" and sometimes I get answers that I didn't think of that have changed my view. So much for only seeing things my way. The movies are beautifully ambiguous like that, and I love to hear various interpretations. And I don't put myself above other people and hang my hat on "45 years and you can't teach me anything", or "I was reading Fleming before you were born", and if I were that kind of smug asshole I sure could do it and justify it too on sheer knowledge alone.

  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
    Posts: 12,459
    Here are my rankings for today. Have at it, gents.

    1. Goldeneye
    2. Tomorrow Never Dies
    3. The Living Daylights
    4. For Your Eyes Only
    5. The Spy Who Loved Me
    6. Quantum of Solace
    7. Dr. No
    8. You Only Live Twice
    9. Goldfinger
    10. Die Another Day
    11. The World is Not Enough
    12. Octopussy
    13. A View To A Kill
    14. Skyfall
    15. Live and let Die
    16. Diamonds Are Forever
    17. Casino Royale
    18. The Man With a Golden Gun
    19. License to Kill
    20. Thunderball
    21. From Russia With Love
    22. On Her Majesty’s Secret Service
    23. Moonraker

    Keep in mind, I happen to enjoy all of the Bonds except Lazenby.
    This list if of favorite films, not favorite actors, not "best" films.

  • ShorelineShoreline
    Posts: 251
    Well, you did very well there didn't you? So let me get this straight.
    It's ok to name call and antagonise if you know the right mod???
  • ShorelineShoreline
    edited September 2013 Posts: 251
    4EverBonded wrote:
    Here are my rankings for today. Have at it, gents.

    1. Goldeneye
    2. Tomorrow Never Dies
    3. The Living Daylights
    4. For Your Eyes Only
    5. The Spy Who Loved Me
    6. Quantum of Solace
    7. Dr. No
    8. You Only Live Twice
    9. Goldfinger
    10. Die Another Day
    11. The World is Not Enough
    12. Octopussy
    13. A View To A Kill
    14. Skyfall
    15. Live and let Die
    16. Diamonds Are Forever
    17. Casino Royale
    18. The Man With a Golden Gun
    19. License to Kill
    20. Thunderball
    21. From Russia With Love
    22. On Her Majesty’s Secret Service
    23. Moonraker

    Keep in mind, I happen to enjoy all of the Bonds except Lazenby.
    This list if of favorite films, not favorite actors, not "best" films.

    A good mix going on here, although TB is clearly not high enough!!
    Also, you might get grief for not rating FRWL highly enough, and rightly so!
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
    edited September 2013 Posts: 12,459
    To be honest, Shoreline, that is a mixture that I just threw in because I was sick of the negative bickering on this thread.

    My true favorites list is different ... although OHMSS is still ranked in my bottom 4.

    Now go ahead everybody - tear me apart for being unfair, a cheat, a Brosnan lover, whatever. I'm waiting ...

    I do genuinely enjoy each Bond and films from each era, Lazenby and his film excepted. I love Dalton; I only rank LTK lower due to the sadistic and unpleasant nature of the film, which bothered me. I don't care much for Thunderball.

    My main point: Everybody on this thread needs to respect that these are simply personal opinions, personal preferences, and the negativity and childish name calling is simply ridiculous and needs to stop.
    Having to prove you are a "Fleming" die hard, explain yourself for liking a majority of a film, being required to respond in a debate like manner. Really? That is a rule and listed on this thread or on forum rules? No, that is not necessary. If you want a civil debate, fine, but don't browbeat or bully people, or try show you are "right" over others when this is a personal opinion thread. It makes our forum, and certainly you dear poster, look bad.

    I feel like Tiffany for this one and only time (she is not a favorite Bond girl of mine): I'd love to say, after reading the last 3 pages of this thread, to some of the posters (you know who you are): "Aww, go blow up your pants."
  • ShorelineShoreline
    edited September 2013 Posts: 251
    Fair point about the bickering.... An even fairer point about OHMSS being near the bottom!
    I find it nearly impossible to rank the films, while I know some are shot better or are more realised stories, sometimes you just have to go with your gut feelings and brave the wrath of others!
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
    Posts: 12,459
    Murdock wrote:
    StirredNotShaken wrote:
    But that's the thing. That isn't Bond as written by Ian Fleming, DAD is just an amateur hour, shit, generic Hollywood garbage action film that happens to have a main character named James Bond. No amount of shoehorned references will ever link the celluloid excrement that is DAD to the other 22 films for me.

    When most new fans watch a Bond Movie for the first time, they don't know or care about "Fleming's Bond" It doesn't matter if the film is good or bad, If it entertains the viewer then they can like what they want. For example, I like Moonraker over Goldfinger, yet I still have Licence to Kill in my Top 3. Does that mean I'm not a Bond fan? Gee Wiz guys I guess I have to leave now. Don't push your opinion's over someone else's. Learn to accept someone else's personal preference. Not everyone share's the same opinions as you. You think Brosnan's the worst Bond where I think he's the Best. I grew up with the Brosnan films and I still love them to this day.
    Very well said, @Murdock.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
    Posts: 16,333
    Thank you @4EverBonded. :)
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