Who should/could be a Bond actor?

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  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Did anybody else apart from Craig actually do a proper screentest, do we know?
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    mtm wrote: »
    M_Blaise wrote: »
    Luckily we got a guy who did an amazing job instead.

    Yes, but they killed him in the last movie. We can't count on him.

    You don't have to now, he's not doing anymore. Luckily he was great while he was in them.

    Never say never again....until they kill you ;)
  • edited December 1 Posts: 6,486
    mtm wrote: »
    Did anybody else apart from Craig actually do a proper screentest, do we know?

    I presume Cavill got to that stage based on his GE reading. Alex O'Loughlin talked about going to London and doing proper screen-tests with costumes. I think Goran Visnjic did too I believe but was rejected because he couldn't do the accent. The latter two may or may not have done those early line readings though (Craig didn't).

    Probably a fair few did proper screen-tests. But some may have only been on a list (I think David Tennant talked about discovering years later that he was supposedly on some sort of 'shortlist' for Bond, but had no idea).

    EDIT: had a quick look online when looking up stuff for this post and found this archived from September 2005, a month before Craig was cast! It's quite funny in hindsight all the doom and gloom with the film supposedly in crisis. Some panicking that a Moneypenny hasn't been cast yet is quite funny too. Same for Campbell supposedly wanting a 'complete unknown'! It's an interesting insight into the run up to Craig's casting though, and for fans there was obviously a clear sense he was being considered, even though there's a lot of ignorance about everything in hindsight. https://debrief.commanderbond.net/topic/25092-more-screentests-planned-for-new-007/

    Some things never change ;) It's funny knowing just how wrong we can be though and what information we actually get. Here are my favourite quotes:

    I'm beginning to think that Craig isn't going to get the part, aside from him, reportedly, being under very serious consideration again. The series, IMO, can't handle two radical changes to the formula that his casting would bring. First of all, CR is a film about one of Bond's early missions, but is set in modern times. The second shock would be the casting of Craig himself. Honestly, I don't think that the film, or perhaps even the franchise, can survive two major shocks to its system that CR starring Daniel Craig would bring.
    Craig WILL NOT be Bond.

    There are reason's why he should be - acting ability, presence - but these are far, far outwayed by the reason's very articulately put forward by previous posters here.

    Add to that that EON are not going to take a chance with somebody possessing those shortcomings and the case is closed.

    Craig WILL NOT be Bond... and anyone who thinks he has a good chance don't know their cinematic - or otherwise, I might add - Bond.
    Moviehole.net has a new report on "Casino Royale" and the fiasco of casting the Bond role. Based on this report, I'd say that the project status is still at "development hell."

    Oh and here's what some supposedly thought of the rumoured final candidates (including Craig), if we're worrying about the lack of good options for Bond now:
    These guys are in a heap of trouble. You would think actors would be jumping over each other to want to play Bond. Judging by the names thrown out on this site, there's quite a few people who could reasonably do it. So, why weren't they asked? Really, what is the problem here? Are the producers burned out? If they don't know what to do with Bond, then they need to step aside. Personally, I feel their departure is looooooong overdue. They are the Berman and Braga of James Bond.
    So the MKKBB article seems much more on the ball and accurate and it is the MKKBB article(which is the basis for this thread) that states we are getting more screentests in September and that the search for Bond goes on and goes wider.

    Which to me is great news because it means that the "final 3 or 4" did not impress enough and therefore we are not stuck with any of them as Bond. No Goran!
    Personally, I doubt the film will be pushed back. Part of me is starting to wish it would - the apparent casting fiasco is reason enough - just so we get the right actor for Casino Royale and beyond. None of the names being tossed around as "serious contenders" impress me.

    And as a final one to round it off, for anyone disappointed by a lack of information on this Bond film or convinced they'll be disappointed, just know these things have always been a source of existential worry/gloom for fans, and often the subject of long posts. Here's some poor chap in a tizzy a month before CR's official press conference, and a matter of months before it started shooting.

    I think they had four years to decide every thing. First, they used to do a movie every two years, then came Brosnan and for DAD two years became three years. After DAD they probably decided for CR to come out for 2005, but different troubles bring them to a 2006 exit, so they have another year to do everything, but now it seems nothing has been done. Last march Michael Wilson announced officially that CR will hit theatres on november 2006. A lot of actors were screentested but at the moment nobody can dress the part. I don't think there's nobody in the world who wouldn't take the part. We don't have a bad guy who will face 007, no moneypenny (Is it so hard to find a gracious 30 years old girl, at least all over UK?), we don't know if Cleese is still on the movie or not, no main title song and singer at all, no hench man, no femme fatale. We only have Judi Dench, The director Campbell, and what else? A new Fiat Panda and probably also a script to be polished, but as Wade said, it's over a year and half they had it, and, why they decide do polish it at 12 weeks from the start, and not a little bit earlier. I think that a good planning is the only thing to do, to have good movie, but as we can see, it doesn't seem our case. This veil of mistery, doesn't intrigue me anymore. As Tom Jones sang in TB: "He acts while other man just talk", but it's not what they seem to do.
    Every day I open my PC and enter the site, I hope to find something new, but after Haggis, no news at all. No new secondary actors, nothing. And it is very disappointing.
    Maybe it's part of the game the chiefs are playing to let our expectancy grow and grow, but this game it's boring me a lot.

    As for the final four, none of them will make me jump of happiness.

    I don't think it's a good think an unknown for the part.

    I don't want a mega star for the part. But some one who could be a good 007, and most of the actor we have on the list could do it, and not necessary they are so known, but at least you can recognize them once you see them.

    That's why I'm disappointed. Can anybody blame me for that?
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    Luckily Amazon seems less opaque than EON.
  • edited December 1 Posts: 6,486
    Honestly, I think it's just fans being fans ;) We love to speculate and voice opinions about the ins and outs of all this - who'd make a good Bond, what we'll get from a new film etc. Before a point the production just isn’t going to release certain information though, and it's not going to satisfy the poor boy I quoted above who claimed to look for updates every day.

    I don't happen to think any of those users are stupid incidentally, funny as some of those quotes are. They're just talking about something they don't have first hand knowledge of, and often they're reacting to tabloid rumours or things that turn out to be half true or simplified. They're talking about a film they have no real concept of either. Add to that all their worries, frustrations, and preferences for this franchise, and this is the sort of dialogue we get - people confidently claiming stuff which turns out to be comically wrong, or outright worrying about something beyond their control, and that which they don’t have a full understanding of anyway. It'll be exactly the same this time round. Many of us will fret over who are reported to be candidates for the role, or worry about a lack of information coming out about the script. Hell, that's already what's happened! Some things never change!
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    Luckily Amazon seems less opaque than EON.
    They are more in the shadows. That's where we must do battle.
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    I think James Purefoy was also mentioned as a candidate back in '05. Compared to today's hilarious list of potentials, I probably would've been satisfied with a number of those actors had Craig not taken the role.
    Lately I wonder where the franchise would've gone had someone else played Bond in CR.
    Would there have been more films since '06? Would Bond still have been killed off?
    All just speculation on my part.
  • BennyBenny Shaken not stirredAdministrator, Moderator
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    ToTheRight wrote: »
    I think James Purefoy was also mentioned as a candidate back in '05. Compared to today's hilarious list of potentials, I probably would've been satisfied with a number of those actors had Craig not taken the role.
    Lately I wonder where the franchise would've gone had someone else played Bond in CR.
    Would there have been more films since '06? Would Bond still have been killed off?
    All just speculation on my par
    t.

    A good question @ToTheRight
    Would Henry Cavill have been cast had Craig turned the role down?
    I suppose in an alternate universe, the tenure of the actor would’ve been very different.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    ToTheRight wrote: »
    I think James Purefoy was also mentioned as a candidate back in '05. Compared to today's hilarious list of potentials, I probably would've been satisfied with a number of those actors had Craig not taken the role.
    Lately I wonder where the franchise would've gone had someone else played Bond in CR.
    Would there have been more films since '06? Would Bond still have been killed off?
    All just speculation on my part.

    Would there have been fewer films? Would the audience have lost interest without a popular lead actor? Hard to say.
  • MSL49MSL49 Finland
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    mtm wrote: »
    Yeah the list of people they were supposedly in the running (apart from Craig of course) is:
    Gerard Butler
    Henry Cavill
    Rupert Friend
    Daniel Goddard
    Martin Henderson
    Julian McMahon
    David Morrisey
    Alex O'Lachlan
    Ingo Rademacher
    Dougray Scott
    Christian Solimeno
    Anthony Starr
    Karl Urban
    Goran Visnjic
    Dominic West
    Sam Worthington
    And apparently MGM may have been interested in Orlando Bloom.

    Other interesting names in that list: Henderson, Scott, Urban.
  • MSL49MSL49 Finland
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    Benny wrote: »
    ToTheRight wrote: »
    I think James Purefoy was also mentioned as a candidate back in '05. Compared to today's hilarious list of potentials, I probably would've been satisfied with a number of those actors had Craig not taken the role.
    Lately I wonder where the franchise would've gone had someone else played Bond in CR.
    Would there have been more films since '06? Would Bond still have been killed off?
    All just speculation on my par
    t.

    A good question @ToTheRight
    Would Henry Cavill have been cast had Craig turned the role down?
    I suppose in an alternate universe, the tenure of the actor would’ve been very different.

    I think he would have been in that scenario.
  • edited December 2 Posts: 6,486
    It's tricky imagining how CR, nevermind the series, would have turned out with a different lead. Craig brought lots of benefits to Bond - all of his subsequent directors said wanting to work with him was a factor, and I suspect it's the same with many other key creatives who came onboard, which had an impact on the prestige/quality of these films. I think we take for granted here just how popular he was/is as Bond too. Would we, for example, have gotten the team we currently have now without Craig's era? Can't say for sure one way or the other, but whatever way I'd say Bond 26 is going to have a hell of a time beating CR as a debut for a new Bond.

    For what it's worth I can't imagine Henry Cavill having quite the same impact in the role or doing what Craig did, but he's obviously gone on to find fame in his own right, so I don't think he would have been a disaster or anything. I think the franchise was fortunate to get the right lead though.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    I can't see Cavill having as strong an impact as Craig in the role.

    I've seen many of his films, and Cavill never seems like he really digs into roles, instead skating along on his (admittedly very pretty) surface.

    With Cavill, I think we would have seen something more akin to GE-DAD (a fun first film and then an abrupt dropoff) than CR-NTTD.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    echo wrote: »
    I can't see Cavill having as strong an impact as Craig in the role.

    I've seen many of his films, and Cavill never seems like he really digs into roles, instead skating along on his (admittedly very pretty) surface.

    With Cavill, I think we would have seen something more akin to GE-DAD (a fun first film and then an abrupt dropoff) than CR-NTTD.

    As I've said, I can always feel he's "acting" and contemplating every word before it's spoken...

  • edited December 2 Posts: 6,486
    I think with Craig as well EON didn't just have an actor who rocked up and played the role when needed, as I think would have been the situation with most of these alternatives. He was involved with the creative process and had a lot to do with who came onboard (I'm thinking of the story about him walking up to Sam Mendes at a Christmas party slightly drunk and asking him if he wanted to direct SF, only telling the producers afterwards! I can't imagine Pierce Brosnan, much less Henry Cavill, doing that). They effectively had a creative partner, not just an actor. It does have an impact on how the films turn out.

    I mean, who knows? Perhaps a Cavill era would have lucked out with a director who would have been able to play to his strengths and give us something great. But it's pure speculation. I agree he's not a stellar actor. Charismatic and not a bad one, but a rather limited one unfortunately.
  • edited December 2 Posts: 199
    mtm wrote: »
    Yeah the list of people they were supposedly in the running (apart from Craig of course) is:
    Gerard Butler
    Henry Cavill
    Rupert Friend
    Daniel Goddard
    Martin Henderson
    Julian McMahon
    David Morrisey
    Alex O'Lachlan
    Ingo Rademacher
    Dougray Scott
    Christian Solimeno
    Anthony Starr
    Karl Urban
    Goran Visnjic
    Dominic West
    Sam Worthington
    And apparently MGM may have been interested in Orlando Bloom.

    Like someone else just said, James Purefoy was another name mentioned sometimes by fans, as was Jack Davenport. Jeremy Northam and Ioan Gruffudd were a couple names that would be thrown around from time to time. And Jason Isaacs of course, though most fans dismissed him due to his hairline. Richard Armitage is a name brough up a lot in hindsight, though I don't really remember anyone bringing him up back in 2005. He must have been too unknown. Oh yeah, I remember seeing Wentworth Miller's name as well. And of course some names that most fans didn't take seriously, like Rupert Everett, Robbie Williams, Jude Law, etc.

    Edit: I also remember Matthew Goode's name being mentioned, though fans thought he was too young and could be a candidate for the Bond after Craig. Though now he'd be considered too old at 47, lol.
  • SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ Lekki, Lagos, Nigeria
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    @007HallY I don't think EON ever took Brosnan's suggestions seriously. Brosnan suggested Monica Belluci for the part of Paris in TND, but no one listened to him. Brosnan also suggested John McTiernan as DAD's director, but was turned down again. Maybe some other Brosnan suggestions, I can't remember now.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    mtm wrote: »
    Yeah the list of people they were supposedly in the running (apart from Craig of course) is:
    Gerard Butler
    Henry Cavill
    Rupert Friend
    Daniel Goddard
    Martin Henderson
    Julian McMahon
    David Morrisey
    Alex O'Lachlan
    Ingo Rademacher
    Dougray Scott
    Christian Solimeno
    Anthony Starr
    Karl Urban
    Goran Visnjic
    Dominic West
    Sam Worthington
    And apparently MGM may have been interested in Orlando Bloom.

    Like someone else just said, James Purefoy was another name mentioned sometimes by fans, as was Jack Davenport. Jeremy Northam and Ioan Gruffudd were a couple names that would be thrown around from time to time. And Jason Isaacs of course, though most fans dismissed him due to his hairline. Richard Armitage is a name brough up a lot in hindsight, though I don't really remember anyone bringing him up back in 2005. He must have been too unknown. Oh yeah, I remember seeing Wentworth Miller's name as well. And of course some names that most fans didn't take seriously, like Rupert Everett, Robbie Williams, Jude Law, etc.

    Edit: I also remember Matthew Goode's name being mentioned, though fans thought he was too young and could be a candidate for the Bond after Craig. Though now he'd be considered too old at 47, lol.

    Fans mentioned those yes, but that list is apparently actors who Eon actively looked at/tested etc. and were actually interested in. There probably were more though, yes.
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    ToTheRight wrote: »
    I think James Purefoy was also mentioned as a candidate back in '05. Compared to today's hilarious list of potentials, I probably would've been satisfied with a number of those actors had Craig not taken the role.
    Lately I wonder where the franchise would've gone had someone else played Bond in CR.
    Would there have been more films since '06? Would Bond still have been killed off?
    All just speculation on my part.

    I've heard of Jason Isaacs as well, although I don't know how serious the rumours were about him. Or James Purefoy.
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    @007HallY I don't think EON ever took Brosnan's suggestions seriously. Brosnan suggested Monica Belluci for the part of Paris in TND, but no one listened to him. Brosnan also suggested John McTiernan as DAD's director, but was turned down again. Maybe some other Brosnan suggestions, I can't remember now.

    There's that funny story of Brosnan meeting Tarantino where the two got drunk and Tarantino started banging the table. When Brosnan went back to EON and asked the producers if they'd consider him directing a Bond film they said no. Probably best to be completely honest!

    Anyway, as it's the last month of the year, and potentially about one year or so away from getting a new James Bond, I'll do a little round up of potentials who I believe will be considered or asked to audition. Who knows, one of them might even get the role.

    To be clear I understand some of these could be comedically wrong in hindsight, and I'm sure I'll miss many, perhaps even the actor who eventually gets the role! For the record, I don't necessarily like all of these actors or believe they'll get the role (although most of them I do rate highly, and a few of them I'd personally love to see play Bond). Some may only ever be names on a list rather than those brought in for whatever reason. But I can imagine all will have been discussed or will be approached.

    My suspicion at the moment is that a lot of what we're hearing is second hand and made up of half truths - ie. all this stuff about Villeneuve wanting a complete unknown actor. I also don't believe it's some two horse race between Harris Dickinson and Jacob Elordi, but I do think both actors will have been discussed as options. I believe in practice they'll explore a range of options when they get to the process of casting/finalising the script. Anyway...

    Callum Turner

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    Solly McLeod

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    Archie Renaux

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    Harris Dickinson

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    Leo Suter

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    Ben Radcliffe

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    Jacob Elordi

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    Sope Dirisu

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    Jamie Flatters

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    So yeah, hypothetically that's what a group of Bond contenders could look like.
  • SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ Lekki, Lagos, Nigeria
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    That's fair enough @007HallY Also, I don't want Tarantino near James Bond.
  • sandbagger1sandbagger1 Sussex
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    @007HallY when you said Tarantino started banging the table, did you mean he began pounding on it with his fist, or was it more an ‘anything with legs is fair game’ kind of deal?
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    @007HallY when you said Tarantino started banging the table, did you mean he began pounding on it with his fist, or was it more an ‘anything with legs is fair game’ kind of deal?

    I presume from the anecdote he started pounding the table with his fist :)) The latter could have been a bit of a faux pas on Tarantino's part when trying to get pitch for a new job... dependent on the job anyway...
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    I’m not familiar with Jamie Flatters , but skimming over a few interviews he has promise . He has a good look and voice…


    Of the lot above, Suter and Radcliffe would be my top two.
  • edited December 2 Posts: 6,486
    The only reason I kind of know who he is is because he's directed a few short films which I've randomly seen. I also think he's been mentioned here and he's come back in my mind with this list. He's in the second Avatar and a few Netflix films. Unlikely to get the role perhaps, but yeah, I'd consider him or at least keep an eye out on what he does.

    Solly McLeod's a lesser known who's cropped up again recently for me. Deke originally mentioned him here, but I've seen him in The Dead Don't Hurt, Tom Jones, and some short films, and would be really interested if he were a name in the mix. I'm otherwise a fan of Callum Turner and Sope Dirisu.

    I will stress the point of that list isn't to say any one of them will be the next Bond or could be great in the role. I personally think Leo Suter would be very lacklustre and is a rather limited actor for Bond, but if I were a casting I'd audition him. If he impressed I'd be happy. They're just potentials. It's all about how they do in that context.

    Plenty of potentials though. I don't think there's any less options out there than there was in 2005 (honestly, some of those '05 actors would only go on to do great stuff in hindsight anyway, and that's always the case).
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    I still reckon Aaron Pierre could be in the mix and could be a strong candidate. Daryl McCormack too possibly.
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    I forgot about McCormack. Yes, I've liked him in what I've seen and think he'd be a possible contender. Pierre I guess too.
  • Is it just me, or does Callum Turner look a bit like a young Scott Glenn? That's not a bad thing I should add.
  • I'm not very into the idea of a Bond this young, but Jamie Flatters doesn't seem bad for someone that's only 25.

  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    I'm not very into the idea of a Bond this young, but Jamie Flatters doesn't seem bad for someone that's only 25.


    He does have a certain something to him. Get him in a barber’s chair then down to Savile Row..,
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