Who should/could be a Bond actor?

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  • edited October 22 Posts: 2,499
    Guy Ritchie is fine. The other two are pretenders

    Nah! Not current Ritchie.

    After seeing Argylle, I think Guy Ritchie is a genius.
  • BennyBenny Shaken not stirredAdministrator, Moderator
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    Let's get this back on topic. We have a who could direct a Bond film thread.
    Thanks.
  • MSL49MSL49 Finland
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    Jordo007 wrote: »
    I do wonder if the producers have one person in mind, like EON did with Craig and willing to wait for that person, or if they're more open minded like the producers were with TLD?

    I think there is several actors in the mix next time around too.
  • VenutiusVenutius Yorkshire
    edited October 27 Posts: 3,384
    Edit: wrong thread. Sorry, mods.

  • MSL49MSL49 Finland
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    How many candidates is ideal in the last run? Like Craig vs Cavill in 05.
  • VenutiusVenutius Yorkshire
    edited October 28 Posts: 3,384
    Said it before, but if it's true that when BB and MGW met Craig they told him outright that 'we want you to do this', then the likelihood is that there weren't any other candidates, as such - Cavill and the rest were probably just auditioning to be the substitute if Craig turned it down. Haven't seen anything to suggest that Amazon, Villeneuve or anybody else has one strongly preferred actor in mind, so I do think it's different this time.
  • Posts: 306
    She also said 'can not imagine anyone else in the role.' It's a tough spot, because modern leading men don't fit into the old school Bond type.
  • edited October 28 Posts: 6,231
    I always think there's a bit of spin when it comes to what BB and MGW say about Craig. Cubby did it too and was rather good at it, claiming he'd spotted Moore as early as '62 (which doesn't seem to be the case, but gives this idea that he was able to find 'the chosen one' a decade before he got the role. He also claimed Dalton had always been his first choice over Brosnan, which obviously wasn't true).

    Not to say the story about watching Elizabeth and being taken by Craig's walk isn't true. I suspect the producers were always on the lookout for Bond actors even when an incumbent was in the role. But likely he was one of many on a list before a certain point, not some clear frontrunner. I don't think it's a clear cut case of Craig being the only possible actor they had in their sights five years prior. They had over 200 names by their own admission! And if he'd always been 'the chosen one' why did early drafts of CR include a Bond in his mid-20s, and why were many of the candidates a decade younger than the 37 year old Craig? Obviously they shifted direction at some point in CR's process.

    I suspect what happened was they kept an eye on Craig's film career between 2001-2005. Once they saw him in Tomb Raider and Layer Cake they really became interested in him, realising he had what it took to play Bond going from these roles. He was still amongst many on a list though. They approached him, he was reluctant, but they managed to convince him to audition, BB and MGW seemingly getting along with him and able to understand the direction they wanted for CR. He likely only did the half day of screen testing because it was quite clear they had what they needed and basically told him 'that's fine'. In that way, I think MGW was completely honest when he said Craig was the only one they formally offered the role to, and he clearly made an impact. But I think it was a case where he was - odd as it sounds - the safest option, and this became clear later in the process.
  • MSL49MSL49 Finland
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    Venutius wrote: »
    Said it before, but if it's true that when BB and MGW met Craig they told him outright that 'we want you to do this', then the likelihood is that there weren't any other candidates, as such - Cavill and the rest were probably just auditioning to be the substitute if Craig turned it down. Haven't seen anything to suggest that Amazon, Villeneuve or anybody else has one strongly preferred actor in mind, so I do think it's different this time.

    I think different this time is good thing.
  • edited October 29 Posts: 6,231
    I think it's too early to say it'll be different this time, and we won't know until long after the fact anyway. It's perfectly possible an actor will audition, or impress producers with a certain role, and stand out from the crowd for them. They may well be formally offered the role first and accept. Again, I'm pretty sure that was the case with Craig rather than every other candidate auditioning to be his substitute throughout every stage of the casting process. PR wise they'd probably hype up their choice of actor, implying he was unambiguously the preferred one all along rather than create this narrative that it was a close race, or that they would have been willing to accept an alternative.

    If I were going to guess, I reckon they're very much in 'names on a big list' territory as of now. There can't be a frontrunner because the audition process hasn't begun.
  • Posts: 8,617
    007HallY wrote: »
    I always think there's a bit of spin when it comes to what BB and MGW say about Craig. Cubby did it too and was rather good at it, claiming he'd spotted Moore as early as '62 (which doesn't seem to be the case, but gives this idea that he was able to find 'the chosen one' a decade before he got the role. He also claimed Dalton had always been his first choice over Brosnan, which obviously wasn't true).

    Not to say the story about watching Elizabeth and being taken by Craig's walk isn't true. I suspect the producers were always on the lookout for Bond actors even when an incumbent was in the role. But likely he was one of many on a list before a certain point, not some clear frontrunner. I don't think it's a clear cut case of Craig being the only possible actor they had in their sights five years prior. They had over 200 names by their own admission! And if he'd always been 'the chosen one' why did early drafts of CR include a Bond in his mid-20s, and why were many of the candidates a decade younger than the 37 year old Craig? Obviously they shifted direction at some point in CR's process.

    I suspect what happened was they kept an eye on Craig's film career between 2001-2005. Once they saw him in Tomb Raider and Layer Cake they really became interested in him, realising he had what it took to play Bond going from these roles. He was still amongst many on a list though. They approached him, he was reluctant, but they managed to convince him to audition, BB and MGW seemingly getting along with him and able to understand the direction they wanted for CR. He likely only did the half day of screen testing because it was quite clear they had what they needed and basically told him 'that's fine'. In that way, I think MGW was completely honest when he said Craig was the only one they formally offered the role to, and he clearly made an impact. But I think it was a case where he was - odd as it sounds - the safest option, and this became clear later in the process.

    I believe Dalton was long on Cubbys radar for the role, though he never auditioned , he was in Cubbys sights for quite a while. Brosnan only appeared when he was on set with his late wife Cassandra when she appeared in FYEO. According to John Glens book. 'For My Eyes Only', though Glen and Michael Wilson were in favour of Brosnan, Cubby wasn't convinced, and was only signed when Dalton was unavailable, and when the whole MGM thing happened, Cubby dropped Brosnan, and suddenly Dalton was free and took the role. So I do think Cubby favoured Dalton over Brossa!
  • edited October 29 Posts: 2,722
    Mathis1 wrote: »
    007HallY wrote: »
    I always think there's a bit of spin when it comes to what BB and MGW say about Craig. Cubby did it too and was rather good at it, claiming he'd spotted Moore as early as '62 (which doesn't seem to be the case, but gives this idea that he was able to find 'the chosen one' a decade before he got the role. He also claimed Dalton had always been his first choice over Brosnan, which obviously wasn't true).

    Not to say the story about watching Elizabeth and being taken by Craig's walk isn't true. I suspect the producers were always on the lookout for Bond actors even when an incumbent was in the role. But likely he was one of many on a list before a certain point, not some clear frontrunner. I don't think it's a clear cut case of Craig being the only possible actor they had in their sights five years prior. They had over 200 names by their own admission! And if he'd always been 'the chosen one' why did early drafts of CR include a Bond in his mid-20s, and why were many of the candidates a decade younger than the 37 year old Craig? Obviously they shifted direction at some point in CR's process.

    I suspect what happened was they kept an eye on Craig's film career between 2001-2005. Once they saw him in Tomb Raider and Layer Cake they really became interested in him, realising he had what it took to play Bond going from these roles. He was still amongst many on a list though. They approached him, he was reluctant, but they managed to convince him to audition, BB and MGW seemingly getting along with him and able to understand the direction they wanted for CR. He likely only did the half day of screen testing because it was quite clear they had what they needed and basically told him 'that's fine'. In that way, I think MGW was completely honest when he said Craig was the only one they formally offered the role to, and he clearly made an impact. But I think it was a case where he was - odd as it sounds - the safest option, and this became clear later in the process.

    I believe Dalton was long on Cubbys radar for the role, though he never auditioned , he was in Cubbys sights for quite a while. Brosnan only appeared when he was on set with his late wife Cassandra when she appeared in FYEO. According to John Glens book. 'For My Eyes Only', though Glen and Michael Wilson were in favour of Brosnan, Cubby wasn't convinced, and was only signed when Dalton was unavailable, and when the whole MGM thing happened, Cubby dropped Brosnan, and suddenly Dalton was free and took the role. So I do think Cubby favoured Dalton over Brossa!

    The other side of that story is that when discussing recasting for Goldeneye, MGM/UA executives wanted Brosnan while EON wanted to retain Dalton - and it was Cubby who made the final decision to go with Brosnan over Dalton when things were at a stalemate. I don’t think Cubby had any sort of particular attachment to his actors - I’m sure he appreciated the services they provided but the GE story proves that he was more than willing to recast the lead actor if it meant getting the film made.

    Funnily enough “Some Kind of Hero” revealed that Connery wanted to do OHMSS as his final film but Cubby and Harry Saltzmen felt that after 5 films with him in the lead things needed to changed thus Lazenby was cast.
  • edited October 29 Posts: 6,231
    Mathis1 wrote: »
    007HallY wrote: »
    I always think there's a bit of spin when it comes to what BB and MGW say about Craig. Cubby did it too and was rather good at it, claiming he'd spotted Moore as early as '62 (which doesn't seem to be the case, but gives this idea that he was able to find 'the chosen one' a decade before he got the role. He also claimed Dalton had always been his first choice over Brosnan, which obviously wasn't true).

    Not to say the story about watching Elizabeth and being taken by Craig's walk isn't true. I suspect the producers were always on the lookout for Bond actors even when an incumbent was in the role. But likely he was one of many on a list before a certain point, not some clear frontrunner. I don't think it's a clear cut case of Craig being the only possible actor they had in their sights five years prior. They had over 200 names by their own admission! And if he'd always been 'the chosen one' why did early drafts of CR include a Bond in his mid-20s, and why were many of the candidates a decade younger than the 37 year old Craig? Obviously they shifted direction at some point in CR's process.

    I suspect what happened was they kept an eye on Craig's film career between 2001-2005. Once they saw him in Tomb Raider and Layer Cake they really became interested in him, realising he had what it took to play Bond going from these roles. He was still amongst many on a list though. They approached him, he was reluctant, but they managed to convince him to audition, BB and MGW seemingly getting along with him and able to understand the direction they wanted for CR. He likely only did the half day of screen testing because it was quite clear they had what they needed and basically told him 'that's fine'. In that way, I think MGW was completely honest when he said Craig was the only one they formally offered the role to, and he clearly made an impact. But I think it was a case where he was - odd as it sounds - the safest option, and this became clear later in the process.

    I believe Dalton was long on Cubbys radar for the role, though he never auditioned , he was in Cubbys sights for quite a while. Brosnan only appeared when he was on set with his late wife Cassandra when she appeared in FYEO. According to John Glens book. 'For My Eyes Only', though Glen and Michael Wilson were in favour of Brosnan, Cubby wasn't convinced, and was only signed when Dalton was unavailable, and when the whole MGM thing happened, Cubby dropped Brosnan, and suddenly Dalton was free and took the role. So I do think Cubby favoured Dalton over Brossa!

    I’m always a bit skeptical of those stories, especially when it’s coming from the people involved wanting to create a narrative (I get the sense they all genuinely like Dalton too and don’t want to throw him under the bus as ‘the alternative option’. It’s easier adding that little asterix of ‘oh yeah, Cubby wasn’t actually 100% on him’ even if it’s a white lie at best). Cubby did it all the time, even writing in his biography that story about considering Moore in ‘62 (despite the fact Moore himself said he was never approached!) Clearly Brosnan was the first choice whatever way as they signed him. Of course it was in EON’s interest for Cubby to say publicly, as he did ‘no, I wanted Timothy all along but he said no at first’. Again, it’s probably not quite the truth, even if Dalton was always in their sights and a serious option.
    Mathis1 wrote: »
    007HallY wrote: »
    I always think there's a bit of spin when it comes to what BB and MGW say about Craig. Cubby did it too and was rather good at it, claiming he'd spotted Moore as early as '62 (which doesn't seem to be the case, but gives this idea that he was able to find 'the chosen one' a decade before he got the role. He also claimed Dalton had always been his first choice over Brosnan, which obviously wasn't true).

    Not to say the story about watching Elizabeth and being taken by Craig's walk isn't true. I suspect the producers were always on the lookout for Bond actors even when an incumbent was in the role. But likely he was one of many on a list before a certain point, not some clear frontrunner. I don't think it's a clear cut case of Craig being the only possible actor they had in their sights five years prior. They had over 200 names by their own admission! And if he'd always been 'the chosen one' why did early drafts of CR include a Bond in his mid-20s, and why were many of the candidates a decade younger than the 37 year old Craig? Obviously they shifted direction at some point in CR's process.

    I suspect what happened was they kept an eye on Craig's film career between 2001-2005. Once they saw him in Tomb Raider and Layer Cake they really became interested in him, realising he had what it took to play Bond going from these roles. He was still amongst many on a list though. They approached him, he was reluctant, but they managed to convince him to audition, BB and MGW seemingly getting along with him and able to understand the direction they wanted for CR. He likely only did the half day of screen testing because it was quite clear they had what they needed and basically told him 'that's fine'. In that way, I think MGW was completely honest when he said Craig was the only one they formally offered the role to, and he clearly made an impact. But I think it was a case where he was - odd as it sounds - the safest option, and this became clear later in the process.

    I believe Dalton was long on Cubbys radar for the role, though he never auditioned , he was in Cubbys sights for quite a while. Brosnan only appeared when he was on set with his late wife Cassandra when she appeared in FYEO. According to John Glens book. 'For My Eyes Only', though Glen and Michael Wilson were in favour of Brosnan, Cubby wasn't convinced, and was only signed when Dalton was unavailable, and when the whole MGM thing happened, Cubby dropped Brosnan, and suddenly Dalton was free and took the role. So I do think Cubby favoured Dalton over Brossa!

    The other side of that story is that when discussing recasting for Goldeneye, MGM/UA executives wanted Brosnan while EON wanted to retain Dalton - and it was Cubby who made the final decision to go with Brosnan over Dalton when things were at a stalemate. I don’t think Cubby had any sort of particular attachment to his actors - I’m sure he appreciated the services they provided but the GE story proves that he was more than willing to recast the lead actor if it meant getting the film made.

    Funnily enough “Some Kind of Hero” revealed that Connery wanted to do OHMSS as his final film but Cubby and Harry Saltzmen felt that after 5 films with him in the lead things needed to changed thus Lazenby was cast.

    Nothing to do with the fact that Connery was burnt out, being underpaid, had a rocky relationship with the producers, and by his own account quit? ;)

    I’m sure maybe at one point Connery considered it (I think they wanted to do OHMSS earlier but a warm winter in Switzerland meant them doing YOLT instead, so time frame is another factor here). But I think it’s fairly common knowledge what Connery’s frustrations were, and why he left when he did. So again, I’m skeptical, or would at least say it’s only one side to the story.
  • edited October 29 Posts: 8,617
    Well just going by Glens book, and he favoured Brosnan, so it makes sense! The GE thing, was Cubby was backed into a corner by the studowho were adamant they wanted the role recast! It is well known Dalton became close friends with the Broccolis and I believe he was one of the pallbearers at Cubbys funeral! Plus, during the hiatus after LTK, a newspaper printed a story that Dalton was fired, Cubby sued them, so I think he was more loyal to Dalton than you think!
  • edited October 29 Posts: 6,231
    Mathis1 wrote: »
    Well just going by Glens book, and he favoured Brosnan, so it makes sense! The GE thing, was Cubby was backed into a corner by the studowho were adamant they wanted the role recast! It is well known Dalton became close friends with the Broccolis and I believe he was one of the pallbearers at Cubbys funeral! Plus, during the hiatus after LTK, a newspaper printed a story that Dalton was fired, Cubby sued them, so I think he was more loyal to Dalton than you think!

    To be honest, I’d say all that makes more sense when viewed in the context of Dalton stepping in at the last minute rather than being ‘the chosen one’. He effectively salvaged TLD’s timeline by agreeing to play Bond, and was likely even a bit reluctant to do it. Yes, I think Cubby had a lot of loyalty to Dalton in that sense. It’s obviously not a relationship he shared with Connery. Even his negotiations with Moore/his agent could be intense and a bit nasty.
  • edited October 29 Posts: 8,617
    007HallY wrote: »
    Mathis1 wrote: »
    Well just going by Glens book, and he favoured Brosnan, so it makes sense! The GE thing, was Cubby was backed into a corner by the studowho were adamant they wanted the role recast! It is well known Dalton became close friends with the Broccolis and I believe he was one of the pallbearers at Cubbys funeral! Plus, during the hiatus after LTK, a newspaper printed a story that Dalton was fired, Cubby sued them, so I think he was more loyal to Dalton than you think!

    To be honest, I’d say all that makes more sense when viewed in the context of Dalton stepping in at the last minute rather than being ‘the chosen one’. He effectively salvaged TLD’s timeline by agreeing to play Bond, and was likely even a bit reluctant to do it. Yes, I think Cubby had a lot of loyalty to Dalton in that sense. It’s obviously not a relationship he shared with Connery. Even his negotiations with Moore/his agent could be intense and a bit nasty.

    Yes, it's unfortunate Connery and Cubby fell out so badly, but I believe Connery made up just before Cubby passed away. Cubby and Roger seemed to get on very well, apart from when Moores salary came up!! 😆
  • 007HallY wrote: »
    Mathis1 wrote: »
    007HallY wrote: »
    I always think there's a bit of spin when it comes to what BB and MGW say about Craig. Cubby did it too and was rather good at it, claiming he'd spotted Moore as early as '62 (which doesn't seem to be the case, but gives this idea that he was able to find 'the chosen one' a decade before he got the role. He also claimed Dalton had always been his first choice over Brosnan, which obviously wasn't true).

    Not to say the story about watching Elizabeth and being taken by Craig's walk isn't true. I suspect the producers were always on the lookout for Bond actors even when an incumbent was in the role. But likely he was one of many on a list before a certain point, not some clear frontrunner. I don't think it's a clear cut case of Craig being the only possible actor they had in their sights five years prior. They had over 200 names by their own admission! And if he'd always been 'the chosen one' why did early drafts of CR include a Bond in his mid-20s, and why were many of the candidates a decade younger than the 37 year old Craig? Obviously they shifted direction at some point in CR's process.

    I suspect what happened was they kept an eye on Craig's film career between 2001-2005. Once they saw him in Tomb Raider and Layer Cake they really became interested in him, realising he had what it took to play Bond going from these roles. He was still amongst many on a list though. They approached him, he was reluctant, but they managed to convince him to audition, BB and MGW seemingly getting along with him and able to understand the direction they wanted for CR. He likely only did the half day of screen testing because it was quite clear they had what they needed and basically told him 'that's fine'. In that way, I think MGW was completely honest when he said Craig was the only one they formally offered the role to, and he clearly made an impact. But I think it was a case where he was - odd as it sounds - the safest option, and this became clear later in the process.

    I believe Dalton was long on Cubbys radar for the role, though he never auditioned , he was in Cubbys sights for quite a while. Brosnan only appeared when he was on set with his late wife Cassandra when she appeared in FYEO. According to John Glens book. 'For My Eyes Only', though Glen and Michael Wilson were in favour of Brosnan, Cubby wasn't convinced, and was only signed when Dalton was unavailable, and when the whole MGM thing happened, Cubby dropped Brosnan, and suddenly Dalton was free and took the role. So I do think Cubby favoured Dalton over Brossa!

    I’m always a bit skeptical of those stories, especially when it’s coming from the people involved wanting to create a narrative (I get the sense they all genuinely like Dalton too and don’t want to throw him under the bus as ‘the alternative option’. It’s easier adding that little asterix of ‘oh yeah, Cubby wasn’t actually 100% on him’ even if it’s a white lie at best). Cubby did it all the time, even writing in his biography that story about considering Moore in ‘62 (despite the fact Moore himself said he was never approached!) Clearly Brosnan was the first choice whatever way as they signed him. Of course it was in EON’s interest for Cubby to say publicly, as he did ‘no, I wanted Timothy all along but he said no at first’. Again, it’s probably not quite the truth, even if Dalton was always in their sights and a serious option.
    Mathis1 wrote: »
    007HallY wrote: »
    I always think there's a bit of spin when it comes to what BB and MGW say about Craig. Cubby did it too and was rather good at it, claiming he'd spotted Moore as early as '62 (which doesn't seem to be the case, but gives this idea that he was able to find 'the chosen one' a decade before he got the role. He also claimed Dalton had always been his first choice over Brosnan, which obviously wasn't true).

    Not to say the story about watching Elizabeth and being taken by Craig's walk isn't true. I suspect the producers were always on the lookout for Bond actors even when an incumbent was in the role. But likely he was one of many on a list before a certain point, not some clear frontrunner. I don't think it's a clear cut case of Craig being the only possible actor they had in their sights five years prior. They had over 200 names by their own admission! And if he'd always been 'the chosen one' why did early drafts of CR include a Bond in his mid-20s, and why were many of the candidates a decade younger than the 37 year old Craig? Obviously they shifted direction at some point in CR's process.

    I suspect what happened was they kept an eye on Craig's film career between 2001-2005. Once they saw him in Tomb Raider and Layer Cake they really became interested in him, realising he had what it took to play Bond going from these roles. He was still amongst many on a list though. They approached him, he was reluctant, but they managed to convince him to audition, BB and MGW seemingly getting along with him and able to understand the direction they wanted for CR. He likely only did the half day of screen testing because it was quite clear they had what they needed and basically told him 'that's fine'. In that way, I think MGW was completely honest when he said Craig was the only one they formally offered the role to, and he clearly made an impact. But I think it was a case where he was - odd as it sounds - the safest option, and this became clear later in the process.

    I believe Dalton was long on Cubbys radar for the role, though he never auditioned , he was in Cubbys sights for quite a while. Brosnan only appeared when he was on set with his late wife Cassandra when she appeared in FYEO. According to John Glens book. 'For My Eyes Only', though Glen and Michael Wilson were in favour of Brosnan, Cubby wasn't convinced, and was only signed when Dalton was unavailable, and when the whole MGM thing happened, Cubby dropped Brosnan, and suddenly Dalton was free and took the role. So I do think Cubby favoured Dalton over Brossa!

    The other side of that story is that when discussing recasting for Goldeneye, MGM/UA executives wanted Brosnan while EON wanted to retain Dalton - and it was Cubby who made the final decision to go with Brosnan over Dalton when things were at a stalemate. I don’t think Cubby had any sort of particular attachment to his actors - I’m sure he appreciated the services they provided but the GE story proves that he was more than willing to recast the lead actor if it meant getting the film made.

    Funnily enough “Some Kind of Hero” revealed that Connery wanted to do OHMSS as his final film but Cubby and Harry Saltzmen felt that after 5 films with him in the lead things needed to changed thus Lazenby was cast.

    Nothing to do with the fact that Connery was burnt out, being underpaid, had a rocky relationship with the producers, and by his own account quit? ;)

    I’m sure maybe at one point Connery considered it (I think they wanted to do OHMSS earlier but a warm winter in Switzerland meant them doing YOLT instead, so time frame is another factor here). But I think it’s fairly common knowledge what Connery’s frustrations were, and why he left when he did. So again, I’m skeptical, or would at least say it’s only one side to the story.

    Don’t get me wrong I think all of that is true - but I was kind of amazed when I read that part in the book. This was the paragraph;

    “Connery had been holding out to the Bond producers for 10 per cent of the gross. In February 1968 Saltzman said, ‘Connery wants to do it’. Broccoli was chagrined by his star’s attitude, ‘Has anyone ever asked us if WE would want him to do it? Would you want anyone to do a film if he kept telling everyone he doesn’t want to do it? We want a new “Bond”.’ Saltzman agreed, ‘I think it’s time for a change. Frankly, I don’t have any idea yet who we’ll cast for the part. The new one will be much lighter and less gimmicky than the other Bond films, recently, and we have to find a new approach.’ Broccoli was confident the character was the star, ‘I don’t think “Bond” will ever be passé. No more so than “Sherlock Holmes” or “Tarzan”.”

    I’m not sure how a Connery led OHMSS would’ve gone down but going by this I think it was the producers who had the last word on this situation - not that Connery was in the wrong of course.
    Mathis1 wrote: »
    Well just going by Glens book, and he favoured Brosnan, so it makes sense! The GE thing, was Cubby was backed into a corner by the studowho were adamant they wanted the role recast! It is well known Dalton became close friends with the Broccolis and I believe he was one of the pallbearers at Cubbys funeral! Plus, during the hiatus after LTK, a newspaper printed a story that Dalton was fired, Cubby sued them, so I think he was more loyal to Dalton than you think!

    Correct. Dalton was a pallbearer at Cubby’s funeral and I’ve heard a story that someone walked into Barbara Broccoli’s house to find Timothy making a milkshake and hanging out - which is a pretty cool story. If anything I think it was a mutual decision to part ways - at that point Dalton was getting older and the studio weren’t going to greenlight GE with him in the role so I think that’s why things went the way they did. Ideally in a perfect world we would’ve gotten a third Dalton film in 91 and possibly a fourth in 93 before Brosnan takes over - but sadly that never came to fruition. Damn lawyers.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited October 29 Posts: 19,488
    007HallY wrote: »
    Mathis1 wrote: »
    007HallY wrote: »
    I always think there's a bit of spin when it comes to what BB and MGW say about Craig. Cubby did it too and was rather good at it, claiming he'd spotted Moore as early as '62 (which doesn't seem to be the case, but gives this idea that he was able to find 'the chosen one' a decade before he got the role. He also claimed Dalton had always been his first choice over Brosnan, which obviously wasn't true).

    Not to say the story about watching Elizabeth and being taken by Craig's walk isn't true. I suspect the producers were always on the lookout for Bond actors even when an incumbent was in the role. But likely he was one of many on a list before a certain point, not some clear frontrunner. I don't think it's a clear cut case of Craig being the only possible actor they had in their sights five years prior. They had over 200 names by their own admission! And if he'd always been 'the chosen one' why did early drafts of CR include a Bond in his mid-20s, and why were many of the candidates a decade younger than the 37 year old Craig? Obviously they shifted direction at some point in CR's process.

    I suspect what happened was they kept an eye on Craig's film career between 2001-2005. Once they saw him in Tomb Raider and Layer Cake they really became interested in him, realising he had what it took to play Bond going from these roles. He was still amongst many on a list though. They approached him, he was reluctant, but they managed to convince him to audition, BB and MGW seemingly getting along with him and able to understand the direction they wanted for CR. He likely only did the half day of screen testing because it was quite clear they had what they needed and basically told him 'that's fine'. In that way, I think MGW was completely honest when he said Craig was the only one they formally offered the role to, and he clearly made an impact. But I think it was a case where he was - odd as it sounds - the safest option, and this became clear later in the process.

    I believe Dalton was long on Cubbys radar for the role, though he never auditioned , he was in Cubbys sights for quite a while. Brosnan only appeared when he was on set with his late wife Cassandra when she appeared in FYEO. According to John Glens book. 'For My Eyes Only', though Glen and Michael Wilson were in favour of Brosnan, Cubby wasn't convinced, and was only signed when Dalton was unavailable, and when the whole MGM thing happened, Cubby dropped Brosnan, and suddenly Dalton was free and took the role. So I do think Cubby favoured Dalton over Brossa!

    I’m always a bit skeptical of those stories, especially when it’s coming from the people involved wanting to create a narrative (I get the sense they all genuinely like Dalton too and don’t want to throw him under the bus as ‘the alternative option’. It’s easier adding that little asterix of ‘oh yeah, Cubby wasn’t actually 100% on him’ even if it’s a white lie at best). Cubby did it all the time, even writing in his biography that story about considering Moore in ‘62 (despite the fact Moore himself said he was never approached!) Clearly Brosnan was the first choice whatever way as they signed him. Of course it was in EON’s interest for Cubby to say publicly, as he did ‘no, I wanted Timothy all along but he said no at first’. Again, it’s probably not quite the truth, even if Dalton was always in their sights and a serious option.

    It's hard to be sure really. In Some Kind of Hero there's a quote from Dalton from TLD's EPK (so part of the promo in '87) that said Broccoli asked him in spring '86 but he was unavailable because of the plays he was in at the time (although Shrew and Cleopatra seem to be listed as running June-July, and TLD appears to have been scheduled to start in August). Brosnan's casting was reported in the press 27th June 1986, obviously lost it, and then Dalton was screentested on July 29th, announced 6th August, with work on the PTS starting in early September.
    In the casting photos, Brosnan and Glen can be seen with a clapperboard with '26th August' written on it, which was presumably the scheduled start date. As it was I think Dalton pretty much got off a plane direct from shooting Brenda Starr and walked onto the TLD set.

    So: I dunno. Maybe Dalton was who Broccoli wanted first, but then again maybe the dates don't quite add up and was it only marketing puff that made it seem like he was first choice all along? I haven't read John Glen's book, maybe there's more in it about that.

    Interesting side note to all of those folk who complain that Barbara Broccoli and Michael Wilson weren't nice enough to Brosnan when they decided not to use him again for CR and that they should have flown to the Bahamas to tell him face to face: when Brosnan lost the Bond role in '86, he says that Cubby Broccoli didn't even do so much as phone him.
  • edited October 29 Posts: 2,722
    I think if anything that just proves that the Broccolis were cut throat people when it came to the franchise. Film producers are not saints.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited October 29 Posts: 19,488
    Maybe; Barbara and Wilson did call him personally though, and they had dinner with him later in LA to discuss it further. It's obviously a business with an awful lot of money going through and they've got to be professional rather than matey all the time, but I get puzzled how Cubby is often held up as some kind of a saint and Barbara gets villified when their respective behaviours don't seem to reflect that.
  • edited October 29 Posts: 2,722
    I think they’re viewed rather similarly if I’m being honest. Yeah there are misogynistic attitudes that are thrown towards Barbara but aside from that Cubby has his own fair amount of criticism heralded his way - his handling of Connery, and his negations with Moore etc. Heck Cubby was accused of having ties to the Italian Mafia at one point which stems from an altercation involving a comedian named Ted Healy (the man behind The Three Stooges) in 1937 and the subsequent death of Healy 3 days later. Keep in mind that was proven false but it shows that Cubby isn’t immune from people’s criticisms. I have my criticisms of Barbara Broccoli and I’ve voiced them before but I’d much rather do business with her than with Cubby.
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