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  • Posts: 455
    This DAD revisionism is a bit embarrassing.
  • VenutiusVenutius Yorkshire
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    007HallY wrote: »
    To a large degree, all Bond adventures do this, taking bits and pieces from itself.
    True, it's just that I'm not sure that the meagre scratchings from DAD would be worth the effort of cannibalising it. IMO.
  • SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ Lekki, Lagos, Nigeria
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    As a true Bond fan, I still want the TLD - GE route for Bond 26.
  • edited October 28 Posts: 6,218
    The thing is, for most casual James Bond fans, the last true James Bond film was Die Another Day. So it's not surprising to hear casual Bond fans say they prefer DAD to CR.
    We, true Bond fans are the only ones who see flaws in Bond films. The casual Bond fans don't. So I really don't blame them.

    Really? DAD's considered one of the worst ones amongst casual fans in my experience! I've heard people refer to it as 'nobody's favourite Bond film'! CR's the one I've found more people remember fondly, and indeed remember more readily.

    As for TLD and GE, I'd say those are two noticeably different Bond adventures. But they are similar in the sense that they're Bond films which reinterpret the character for their respective time/eras. Ultimately I'd rather for Bond 26 they go their own route and try to forge this film's own identity within the scope of Bond films. Not try to emulate fully what's come before.
    Venutius wrote: »
    007HallY wrote: »
    To a large degree, all Bond adventures do this, taking bits and pieces from itself.
    True, it's just that I'm not sure that the meagre scratchings from DAD would be worth the effort of cannibalising it. IMO.

    I'd say the same if they went into the film wanting to simply retell a previous Bond adventure in general, agreed. If they find themselves drawn to certain ideas for their story that have been hinted at in previous films and want to expand on them, or use them as a foundation, that's another thing I'd say. I'm not sure they can avoid the latter as it comes with the territory of writing a Bond adventure.
    M_Blaise wrote: »
    This DAD revisionism is a bit embarrassing.

    It's not really revisionism. Is it new saying that DAD has some great ideas but didn't execute its story well?
  • SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ Lekki, Lagos, Nigeria
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    Oh @007HallY I clearly can't speak for all casual Bond fans, though. But the lot I've seen or met, prefer the fantasy Bond films.
  • edited October 28 Posts: 6,218
    Fair enough. Casual fans have a range of preferences about Bond in general. I find DAD gets some harsh criticisms on the whole though. It's certainly not a great Bond film (you can argue it's perhaps 'bad' in places, or at least has some odd creative choices in there. But honestly, I'd the same about films like TB and DAF, and to a lesser extent TMWTGG. Perhaps controversially I'd say DAD is more interesting than at least TB and DAF, for all its faults).
  • SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ Lekki, Lagos, Nigeria
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    Yeah @007HallY Last Christmas, friends came around. I wanted to watch SF with them, after my private viewing of OHMSS, but they said instead of QoS, they want MR.
  • edited October 28 Posts: 6,218
    Ah, nothing wrong with that! My favourite pizza and beer night Bond film is TND.
  • SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ Lekki, Lagos, Nigeria
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    007HallY wrote: »
    Ah, nothing wrong with that! My favourite pizza and beer night Bond film is TND.

    I couldn't agree more :-bd
  • Posts: 455
    The revisionism is saying DAD is a fun, traditional Bond film. It's actually an ice cream headache.
  • edited October 28 Posts: 6,218
    M_Blaise wrote: »
    The revisionism is saying DAD is a fun, traditional Bond film. It's actually an ice cream headache.

    To be fair it's quite an odd Bond film in many ways, so 'traditional' isn't the immediate word I'd use. How much fun one has with it is debatable (I actually really enjoy parts of it for what it's worth, and at other times I find myself rolling my eyes). I think it's definitely on the more 'nowhere as bad as you remember it' side whenever I've gone back and rewatched it, even with its strange early 2000s slow motion and sped up shots, bizarrely flat looking cinematography, and a fair few odd directorial decisions. It's fine, more a misfire than an abomination of a Bond movie, which is how I'd describe what I'd see as the lesser films of the franchise. As I said, 9/10 times I'd rather watch it over TB or even DAF. I actually see it as similar to many of Hamilton's efforts in many ways - good ideas, but executed in odd, somewhat campy ways, with a fair bit of disorganised filmmaking. Much like DAF or TMWTGG it's a product of its time in many ways. But at least I've never been bored with DAD.
  • It’s sort of tough saying there is any sort of revisionism going on with DAD. The film came out to mixed reactions when it first released and if anything reactions towards the film are generally still mixed - people either enjoy the film for what it is or hate every single aspect of it. I don’t think it’s filmmaking sinks down to the levels of QOS - nor do I find it as boring as SPECTRE. If anything my opinion of it is similar to my opinions of DAF and TMWTGG; interesting ideas but faulty execution.
  • Posts: 2,499
    You can criticize DAD for many things, but it was always a fun movie. Making a more serious version seems like a waste of time. The plot doesn't matter.
  • edited October 28 Posts: 6,218
    It’s sort of tough saying there is any sort of revisionism going on with DAD. The film came out to mixed reactions when it first released and if anything reactions towards the film are generally still mixed - people either enjoy the film for what it is or hate every single aspect of it. I don’t think it’s filmmaking sinks down to the levels of QOS - nor do I find it as boring as SPECTRE. If anything my opinion of it is similar to my opinions of DAF and TMWTGG; interesting ideas but faulty execution.

    Oh, QOS is another slight misfire in my opinion! Very interesting film though. But I completely understand what you mean, and I agree.
    You can criticize DAD for many things, but it was always a fun movie. Making a more serious version seems like a waste of time. The plot doesn't matter.

    Sure, it's never boring. But I think they could have strengthened the story while maintaining the thrills and fun. SF managed to have its share of 'crowd cheering' and Bondian humour while giving us an interesting story. It seemed to reap the rewards.

    I think it was just a case of the wrong film with the wrong actor, and at the wrong time in the series. I really don't think it deserves any hatred though. I honestly think there are worse Bond movies.
  • M_Blaise wrote: »
    This DAD revisionism is a bit embarrassing.

    Exactly the movie isn't very good at all. And was blown out of the water by casino royale
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    I don't know why it's the done thing to pit the Brosnan and Craig films against eachother. The Living Daylights is a far superior entry to AVTAK IMO, but to say it "blows it out of the water" seems a strange way to phrase it.
  • Posts: 6,218
    Well, I always say it's simply human nature to compare a Bond film (or indeed a piece of art in general) to that came before it. For better or worse. There'll always be different opinions anyway.
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