Who should/could be a Bond actor?

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  • Posts: 298
    If there's duplicate Bonds, we must be on the wrong timeline.
  • Jordo007Jordo007 Merseyside
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    I do wonder if the producers have one person in mind, like EON did with Craig and willing to wait for that person, or if they're more open minded like the producers were with TLD?
  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    I don't think they were especially open-minded with TLD. Brosnan had it in the bag, until he didn't.
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    echo wrote: »
    I don't think they were especially open-minded with TLD. Brosnan had it in the bag, until he didn't.

    They could have waited for him or adjusted the shooting schedule.
  • echo wrote: »
    I don't think they were especially open-minded with TLD. Brosnan had it in the bag, until he didn't.

    I think Dalton was on their radar first but Brosnan was offered the contract first.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    echo wrote: »
    I don't think they were especially open-minded with TLD. Brosnan had it in the bag, until he didn't.

    I think Dalton was on their radar first but Brosnan was offered the contract first.

    It's Ironic that the "buddies turned enemies" device was reused for both their starting movies.
  • Jordo007Jordo007 Merseyside
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    echo wrote: »
    I don't think they were especially open-minded with TLD. Brosnan had it in the bag, until he didn't.

    Did he? I thought it was nailed on in 94 mate. I don't Pierce even reshot his screentest
  • VenutiusVenutius Yorkshire
    edited October 21 Posts: 3,373
    Yes, it looks like there was no need to re-do it. In Nobody Does It Better, Jeff Kleeman of MGM/UA said that while EON wanted Dalton to keep the role for what became GF, Tim 'was never in the picture' as far as the studio was concerned: 'The thing that was making us excited about making a Bond movie didn't include him.' Kleeman said that Cubby, BB and MGW argued Dalton's case and 'It got pretty heated. We were at loggerheads. Then Cubby, who had a walking stick, raised it and lightly tapped it on the ground. Everybody stopped and turned to Cubby. Cubby said 'Lets go with Pierce' and that was that.'
  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    echo wrote: »
    I don't think they were especially open-minded with TLD. Brosnan had it in the bag, until he didn't.

    They could have waited for him or adjusted the shooting schedule.

    No. It was a different time with a much clearer delineation between film and TV. Brosnan was stuck in his TV contract, and Cubby didn't want his Bond concurrently on TV.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Plus I think Eon were contractually obliged to produce a film within a certain timeframe at that point: they couldn’t hang around. As well as delays meaning serious money when you’ve booked studio space, travel around the world etc. Dalton was hired so close to production started that he’s the only Bond to have worn off-the-rail suits as there was no time to have them made for him.
  • edited 7:26am Posts: 2,485
    echo wrote: »
    echo wrote: »
    I don't think they were especially open-minded with TLD. Brosnan had it in the bag, until he didn't.

    They could have waited for him or adjusted the shooting schedule.

    No. It was a different time with a much clearer delineation between film and TV. Brosnan was stuck in his TV contract, and Cubby didn't want his Bond concurrently on TV.

    Excuses. They did it with Willis and it wasn't the end of the world.

    Cubby just didn't care. Remember they hired Lazenby and didn't bother watching a movie of his. Spoilers, there wasn't one.
  • edited 8:04am Posts: 870
    mtm wrote: »
    Plus I think Eon were contractually obliged to produce a film within a certain timeframe at that point: they couldn’t hang around. As well as delays meaning serious money when you’ve booked studio space, travel around the world etc. Dalton was hired so close to production started that he’s the only Bond to have worn off-the-rail suits as there was no time to have them made for him.

    Apparently, the real reason was Dalton just didn't like wearing tailored clothes.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited 8:40am Posts: 19,434
    Where did you read that, out of interest?
    I believe one of his dinner suits came from his previous movie, Brenda Starr, which suggests being done in a hurry.
  • edited 9:37am Posts: 870
    mtm wrote: »
    Where did you read that, out of interest?
    I believe one of his dinner suits came from his previous movie, Brenda Starr, which suggests being done in a hurry.

    Emma Porteous, the costume designer, was interviewed for this book: https://www.amazon.com.au/Tailors-Love-Evolution-Menswear-Through/dp/1629337145. I'm afraid I can't find an online PDF.

    The dinner suit was made for Brenda Starr, but wasn't used in that film.

    Incidentally, that isn't the first time clothes, which were made for other productions, were recycled for the Bond films. A couple of Connery's suits and his tweed jacket from GF, were originally made for Woman of Straw.
  • Posts: 452
    echo wrote: »
    echo wrote: »
    I don't think they were especially open-minded with TLD. Brosnan had it in the bag, until he didn't.

    They could have waited for him or adjusted the shooting schedule.

    No. It was a different time with a much clearer delineation between film and TV. Brosnan was stuck in his TV contract, and Cubby didn't want his Bond concurrently on TV.

    Excuses. They did it with Willis and it wasn't the end of the world.

    Cubby just didn't care. Remember they hired Lazenby and didn't bother watching a movie of his. Spoilers, there wasn't one.

    One example.
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    M_Blaise wrote: »
    echo wrote: »
    echo wrote: »
    I don't think they were especially open-minded with TLD. Brosnan had it in the bag, until he didn't.

    They could have waited for him or adjusted the shooting schedule.

    No. It was a different time with a much clearer delineation between film and TV. Brosnan was stuck in his TV contract, and Cubby didn't want his Bond concurrently on TV.

    Excuses. They did it with Willis and it wasn't the end of the world.

    Cubby just didn't care. Remember they hired Lazenby and didn't bother watching a movie of his. Spoilers, there wasn't one.

    One example.

    Michael J. Fox was another.

    Cubby was an old-school producer who thought Bond was the star. He didn't wait for Dalton either if he really was his first choice.
  • edited 12:03pm Posts: 6,168
    To be fair I can understand Cubby’s logic. Nowadays Bond likely wouldn’t be played by an actor who also portrays a long running DC/Marvel character. Even if just because of the scheduling issues it’d create. I mean, even if the next Bond were starring in a Netflix series playing some sort of character not dissimilar to Bond at the same time it’d be odd (and I can imagine there’d be some sort of conflict or something that’d annoy the Bond producers - a simple ‘wink wink’ joke on the other show about the actor being James Bond would be enough. The audience may well only see the actor in that show as James Bond, with the show getting free publicity from that. The opposite is true too - I’m sure it would have been weird seeing Remington Steele as James Bond in the theatre, only for people to go home and flick on the tv to see him there too. It arguably cheapens Bond - rightly or wrongly).

    It’s part of the reason why Brosnan couldn’t wear a tuxedo in a film while he was Bond. The viewers will automatically see James Bond where he’s not meant to be (ie. In another film or tv show). May well have been harsh on Cubby’s part tearing up Brosnan’s contract, but I can understand how with a role like Bond it avoided headaches.
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    Maybe, but someone could say that this decision marked the fate of the franchise.

    Perhaps there is a lesson to be learned here.
  • Posts: 6,168
    Maybe, but someone could say that this decision marked the fate of the franchise.

    Perhaps there is a lesson to be learned here.

    Well, I think it all turned out ideal, surely? Brosnan got his run of Bond and was even allowed to reintroduce the character/franchise after its hiatus. Dalton was able to make two movies playing the character on his own terms, the latter of which I doubt would have been made at all had he not been Bond.
  • MSL49MSL49 Finland
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    Pierce was no brainer in 94, he get second chance with the role and was smart to take it.
  • Posts: 2,485
    007HallY wrote: »
    Maybe, but someone could say that this decision marked the fate of the franchise.

    Perhaps there is a lesson to be learned here.

    Well, I think it all turned out ideal, surely? Brosnan got his run of Bond and was even allowed to reintroduce the character/franchise after its hiatus. Dalton was able to make two movies playing the character on his own terms, the latter of which I doubt would have been made at all had he not been Bond.

    I don't know. LTK's poor reception meant they didn't try anything similar for years. Pretty much the same thing that happened with OHMSS.
  • edited 12:56pm Posts: 6,168
    007HallY wrote: »
    Maybe, but someone could say that this decision marked the fate of the franchise.

    Perhaps there is a lesson to be learned here.

    Well, I think it all turned out ideal, surely? Brosnan got his run of Bond and was even allowed to reintroduce the character/franchise after its hiatus. Dalton was able to make two movies playing the character on his own terms, the latter of which I doubt would have been made at all had he not been Bond.

    I don't know. LTK's poor reception meant they didn't try anything similar for years. Pretty much the same thing that happened with OHMSS.

    I wouldn't say GE was a course correction film as DAF was to OHMSS though. It embraced a lot of mature ideas (I'd say it's a better thought out film than LTK) and even retained a lot of LTK's violence/edge mixed with a new take on classic Bond film tropes. I'd also say the Brosnan era did give us story/character ideas that could well have been in a future Dalton film - and indeed some of which was readopted in the Craig films. Ie. Bond going rogue after being tortured/imprisoned, a former comrade of Bond's being the villain, a former lover of Bond's returning and the drama around that, Bond getting injured, Bond dealing with being betrayed by the love interest etc.

    It probably has something to do with MGW and BB taking creative control around that time too. But I think the Dalton films fed into Brosnan's run, and from there his films fed into Craig's. You can argue in the long run Brosnan may not have been the right actor to deal with those ideas in his later movies. Or that the producers seemed to hold onto very specific ideas of what a Bond movie should be at the expense of more thought out adventures. But I think the creative progression from Dalton to Brosnan is a natural one.

    What would have been the result in the long run if Brosnan had played Bond in TLD? I don't know honestly. I think Brosnan - and the franchise - benefitted from getting the role in the 90s though. A case can be made that Bond's popularity was always going to take a hit in the late 80s.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    If Villeneuves effort is middling there will be a hard course correct with an Edgar Wright type to bring on classic Bond in his pomp.
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    I do believe there was a course correction that they didn't dare to change until Jason Bourne came along. Brosnan had to bear the burden of Dalton's sins. It's not that I want to change History, but I do believe we can learn from it.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited 2:05pm Posts: 19,434
    007HallY wrote: »
    To be fair I can understand Cubby’s logic. Nowadays Bond likely wouldn’t be played by an actor who also portrays a long running DC/Marvel character. Even if just because of the scheduling issues it’d create.


    Yeah Jeff Kleeman was explicit about that in Some Kind of Hero: that when they were looking for a Bond in the 90s they didn't even consider actors who were signed on to other series because of the scheduling issues it could create. I think the example was Mel Gibson, who the press talked about a bit, but they didn't even consider because of the ongoing Lethal Weapon films.
  • edited 2:13pm Posts: 6,168
    I do believe there was a course correction that they didn't dare to change until Jason Bourne came along. Brosnan had to bear the burden of Dalton's sins. It's not that I want to change History, but I do believe we can learn from it.

    I think after LTK you can really tell they were trying to go for different angles with the Bond adventures in terms of story and character. LTK is a pretty unusual Bond film that broke the traditional formula, so in many ways it was probably always going to be more a one off thing. Even if they'd continued with Dalton we would have gotten more of a TSWLM type affair (in fact the original Bond 17 script was less interesting and more 'by the numbers' than GE). But I don't think it poisoned the Bond series in the long run, and I'm not sure if GE would be the film it is without LTK. I don't see it as a course correction film but more a turning point one. In a similar way SF was for Craig's era, or LALD for Moore after DAF (ie. not fundamentally different to what came immediately before, but different enough to stand out).

    What do you think we could learn from this?
    If Villeneuves effort is middling there will be a hard course correct with an Edgar Wright type to bring on classic Bond in his pomp.

    I hope Wright doesn't go anywhere near Bond. I like a lot of the guy's films, but I think he'd lack something. It'd be a bit like if Mathew Vaughn had been chosen to direct a Bond film - on paper it sounds good. But at the same time it'd be horrifically wrong.

    I don't see any reason Villeneuve's film will be a straightforward misfire. I can imagine fans being a bit polarised initially, but so long as its box office numbers and critical reception are good they shouldn't need some drastic course correction this early into an era. Villeneuve will also be the one assisting in developing a new era and picking the next lead, so it won't just be a simple case of switching director and everything changing fundamentally.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited 2:36pm Posts: 19,434
    I think I'd actually have taken Vaughn over Wright: there's just something about Wright's films which feel like they're pretending to be movies in some way if you kind of get what I mean. They never quite feel like fully fledged movies to me, there's something sort of false about them, and they never quite satisfy me (beyond Shaun). Vaughn's variable, but he makes movies.

    Fan reaction is hard to gauge, but luckily with Bond it doesn't mean too much (apart from the silly reaction to Craig's casting I guess) as it's such a mass market product; regardless I think it's likely to go down well just because Villeneuve has had an unbroken streak of quality. He's a really canny choice, after Nolan I think he's the closest thing to a star director nowadays after Dune: if you put 'from the director of Dune' on something, people will automatically be interested and will turn up. I wonder if you also have to make some sort of statement with the casting in order to get the younger dollar even more interested, I don't know. I can still see them going young with it.
  • SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ Lekki, Lagos, Nigeria
    edited 2:48pm Posts: 2,951
    Wright-Vaughn-Ritchie...that's the sequence. They're all the same. I still like current Wright. But I prefer the old Vaughn and Ritchie. Even at that, they're simply not James Bond directors. I saw Wright's Running Man trailer. I'll enjoy it for being very Wrighty. But I can already tell, that it's not the kind of film that would be remembered.
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    Guy Ritchie is fine. The other two are pretenders
  • SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ Lekki, Lagos, Nigeria
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    Guy Ritchie is fine. The other two are pretenders

    Nah! Not current Ritchie.
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