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I base this vague assumption on absolutely no evidence whatsoever.
Have you seen different adaptations of Macbeth? Or any other classic where a main character dies? Just because it gets adapted again and the next version of the character starts out alive, it doesn't mean it becomes a fantasy, they're all separate versions, just as this is.
This is the story of Bond, retold again, just like it was with Hamlet or Robin Hood or Sherlock Holmes or whoever.
And just as a side note, James Bond really is a fantasy! But I know what you mean: you're talking about the genre.
For better or worse, this is kind of where Bond is at now. We got a conscious reboot with Craig as far back as 20 years ago, and look how many different comics, novels, and now video games there are of the character. We’re long past the days of the ‘original timeline’ of ‘62-02, and arguably there never was any such timeline anyway.
I suppose Bond in his cinematic form has consistent tropes (the Bond theme, gun barrel etc) which those other characters don’t quite have. But generally yeah, there’s a lot of room for reinventing the character.
I was thinking that Superman is sort of entering that realm now, with the latest movie being reasonably different in approach to all the previous ones, and yet using the Williams theme and similar title graphics. I think like the Bond theme, that kind of just is being seen as the general Superman theme now which scores lots of different versions and isn't going away.
The Saint is another one: different screen versions of the character over the years, but pretty much all using the same stick man logo and whistling theme by Charteris.
No, I've not seen that play as a movie.
But it's not a series of films based around one character is it? It's just one story. The comparison with James Bond movies doesn't really work for me.
I don't see why the number of episodes makes a difference. It’s a character adapted in a screen form more than once who dies. Even if you’ve seen it as a play it’s the same situation.
How about Robin Hood? Have you seen any different versions of that? He dies in the stories too, and his adventures are made up of different episodes. I'm sure there's other ones who have been adapted more than once.
What's Robin Hood? I dunno. Folklore made into books and movies I suppose.
They're all different to me.
I don't know what else to say on this one bud.
See, I don't watch super-hero movies. I like dramas. That's my problem.
Going back to the subject of the thread, I hope Amazon take a good look at the 'classic Bond' era of Movies (Sean and Rog), and take the elements from those films that worked. And show a Bond that enjoys his work too, ("Hilly, you old devil"). I worry that these days, a movie character will always need an inner reason to womanise and enjoy danger. I want a screen Bond that goes back to that (untrendy) male fantasy figure.
James Bond in the movies always used to be 'the man every man wanted to be'. I hope they go back to that. In the Craig era, he was often 'the man you're glad you're not'. I don't want that from a JB movie.
I don’t get how someone can’t have seen more than one version of the same material before. Romeo & Juliet isn’t about ‘multiverses’, it’s just people putting on productions of the same characters.
I know, none of this is complicated! We’re not dealing with multiverse stuff (that’s genuinely superhero and fantasy stuff - the next Bond isn’t going to jump in a portal and meet with Craig’s Bond). It’s just that this character - who’s been around for many decades - has to go on through various mediums. It’s never going to be set in the same time period, nor will he have the exact same likeness in visual media.
Stubborn fans digging in their heels 😉 I do understand not liking Bond’s death, but it’s something that was going to happen at some point in the various media this character is depicted in. Kingsley Amis had a short story planned where he was going to kill off an older Bond. I’m sure had that been done we’d have gotten a reboot of the literary Bond years down the line, and the story would be one of the many additions to the character. If anyone’s read ‘The Killing Zone’ which is an unofficially published Bond novel, Bond dies in that.
Agreed Bond 7 will get something from his predecessors.
And how old is Bond supposed to be by the time of the final Benson novel in the early-2000s?! He must be at least 70-odd. Double-0s are supposed to be over the hill at 45. And, since then of course, we've had CB and OHiMSS, which are very explicit reboots. And I'm not sure where the Bond of the Kim Sherwood books fits in (since I haven’t read them), so that's potentially a fourth literary incarnation.