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Where does Bond go after Craig?

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  • sandbagger1sandbagger1 Sussex
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    My guess is that there will be minor surface changes, but that they will generally stick to the ‘Skyfall’ model.
  • DEKE_RIVERSDEKE_RIVERS
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    I think it's going to be different from the Craig era, but... the opposite? I don't think so.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    sandbagger1 wrote: »
    My guess is that there will be minor surface changes, but that they will generally stick to the ‘Skyfall’ model.

    Villeneuve has cited CR and SF as his favorites, so I think you're right.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    echo wrote: »
    sandbagger1 wrote: »
    My guess is that there will be minor surface changes, but that they will generally stick to the ‘Skyfall’ model.

    Villeneuve has cited CR and SF as his favorites, so I think you're right.

    Yes, that also is a relief. Something tells he will also look at all the movies, for influence. The fact that Knight is looking at the books is also a relief. It doesn't surprise me that the movie could get another writer. It's a natural part of the creative process.

    https://collider.com/james-bond-spin-offs-reacher-creator-lee-child/

    I think he's right. To think that Lee Child could have written a Bond novel. Maybe he could write a Bond novel spinoff.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    MaxCasino wrote: »
    echo wrote: »
    sandbagger1 wrote: »
    My guess is that there will be minor surface changes, but that they will generally stick to the ‘Skyfall’ model.

    Villeneuve has cited CR and SF as his favorites, so I think you're right.

    Yes, that also is a relief. Something tells he will also look at all the movies, for influence. The fact that Knight is looking at the books is also a relief. It doesn't surprise me that the movie could get another writer. It's a natural part of the creative process.

    https://collider.com/james-bond-spin-offs-reacher-creator-lee-child/

    I think he's right. To think that Lee Child could have written a Bond novel. Maybe he could write a Bond novel spinoff.

    He was on BBC Breakfast a little while ago, I think it was just after the Amazon news came out, and spoke at length about Bond. I think he’s a fan.
  • MSL49MSL49 Finland
    edited October 3 Posts: 706
    Jordo007 wrote: »
    Fair enough mate, a change might be exactly what Amazon are going for

    Its one of the reasons why the series has survived over fifty years.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    Any predictions of what to expect from the first James Bond day with Amazon in charge?
  • UnivexUnivex
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    Mendes4Lyfe wrote: »
    Any predictions of what to expect from the first James Bond day with Amazon in charge?

    They have all Bond films on stream and the severall brands associated with Bond will have products do the job for them. Probably.
  • DaltonforyouDaltonforyou The Daltonator
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    Mendes4Lyfe wrote: »
    Any predictions of what to expect from the first James Bond day with Amazon in charge?

    Perhaps a release date if we're lucky. Friday, November 10th 2028 is a good suggestion.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    Well, here we are - Happy JB day! <:-P

    I agree a release date would be very reassuring to the fans, just so we know things are moving ahead as planned.
  • WhyBondWhyBond USA
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    Mendes4Lyfe wrote: »
    Any predictions of what to expect from the first James Bond day with Amazon in charge?

    They took the gun out of his hands in the promo pictures😮.
  • Since62Since62
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    Where does Bond go after Craig ? I do so very much enjoy taking this question literally. I'd say it depends. Connery's mature Bond might wish to visit Philadelphia...as you may recall. Lazenby's Bond, I think, is done with skiing and snow. Dalton's Bond ? Perhaps a dip in the pool, wink wink...Moore's Bond ? Hmm...maybe not a train ride and Connery's younger Bond may well agree. BrozzaBond ? A cozy island with a helicopter, a pile of diamonds and a lovely holiday, you might say. Craig's Bond ? To the pub. It might be a beachside open one in Thailand. I think he's burnt out on Italy. Oh, wait, that's right, he got "burnt out" already, and not in Italy. New Bond ? If it's going to be an enactment of Young Bond, he'll go to --- Middle School. If it's an adult new Bond, well, besides "in the Naaaavy" I'll say he'll go to Blades with M.
  • MSL49MSL49 Finland
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    Since62 wrote: »
    Where does Bond go after Craig ? I do so very much enjoy taking this question literally. I'd say it depends. Connery's mature Bond might wish to visit Philadelphia...as you may recall. Lazenby's Bond, I think, is done with skiing and snow. Dalton's Bond ? Perhaps a dip in the pool, wink wink...Moore's Bond ? Hmm...maybe not a train ride and Connery's younger Bond may well agree. BrozzaBond ? A cozy island with a helicopter, a pile of diamonds and a lovely holiday, you might say. Craig's Bond ? To the pub. It might be a beachside open one in Thailand. I think he's burnt out on Italy. Oh, wait, that's right, he got "burnt out" already, and not in Italy. New Bond ? If it's going to be an enactment of Young Bond, he'll go to --- Middle School. If it's an adult new Bond, well, besides "in the Naaaavy" I'll say he'll go to Blades with M.

    From Navy to Mi6 would be something what i am interesting to see.
  • VenutiusVenutius Yorkshire
    edited October 7 Posts: 3,364
    MSL49 wrote: »
    From Navy to Mi6 would be something what i am interesting to see.
    I used to think that the best route for another Craig-type Bond to take would be Royal Marines, SBS, E-Squadron/Increment, MI6. I still think it would've worked, but Chris Ryan's beaten them to the Increment part of it now so they'd probably get accused of lifting inspiration from his books if they did it. Ah, well.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E_Squadron

  • sandbagger1sandbagger1 Sussex
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    Venutius wrote: »
    MSL49 wrote: »
    From Navy to Mi6 would be something what i am interesting to see.
    I used to think that the best route for another Craig-type Bond to take would be Royal Marines, SBS, E-Squadron/Increment, MI6. I still think it would've worked, but Chris Ryan's beaten them to the Increment part of it now so they'd probably get accused of lifting inspiration from his books if they did it. Ah, well.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E_Squadron

    Having Chris Ryan as official consultant for the films might not be a bad idea.
  • Reflsin2bourbonsReflsin2bourbons
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    I remember reading at least one of Chris Ryan's books but don't remember the E-Squadron. It's an interesting blend between intelligence and commando work. Apparently runs at the behest of the chiefs of Special Forces and SIS as well so it'd be a good way to introduce M.

    While not as cinematically interesting my path for Bond would be Fettes->University of Geneva (where a friend of his father is a "professor") -> Defence Intelligence -> secondment, for cover reasons, as some sort of Naval Attache -> 00 section
  • echoecho 007 in New York
    edited October 9 Posts: 6,999
    A m(b)illionaire industrialist, the "enemy within," neo-Nazis...

    Give the people what they want!

    MR '27: World Without Want
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited October 9 Posts: 19,320
    echo wrote: »
    MR '27: World Without Want

    The pub in the book? Great idea for a title!
  • CrabKeyCrabKey
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    It will be interesting to see where the next film goes. I've been with the series since DN and feel as if I've seen just about everything. For me, l'm looking for something new. But I suppose if Craig is your first Bond, then repeating all sorts of things from past films will be new to you.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    CrabKey wrote: »
    It will be interesting to see where the next film goes. I've been with the series since DN and feel as if I've seen just about everything. For me, l'm looking for something new. But I suppose if Craig is your first Bond, then repeating all sorts of things from past films will be new to you.

    Yes, it needs a big creative swing. A bit like a house needs renovating every so often, so does a franchise like Bond, and no better time for it.
  • 007HallY007HallY
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    It’ll be different, but I wouldn’t guess fundamentally so from what’s come before it. I suspect it’ll look more like a mid to later Crag era film than anything else.

    And as I’ve said before, I don’t expect everyone here to like it.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    I don't why they would choose to emulate the last 2 Craig films, those were a scripting nightmare.
  • DEKE_RIVERSDEKE_RIVERS
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    007HallY wrote: »
    It’ll be different, but I wouldn’t guess fundamentally so from what’s come before it. I suspect it’ll look more like a mid to later Crag era film than anything else.

    And as I’ve said before, I don’t expect everyone here to like it.


    I don't think so. There was talk of using the early novels as inspiration. So the film will most likely be similar to Casino Royale.

    Yes, we have Villeneuve, but this director also made Sicario, which is still an old-school thriller.
  • 007HallY007HallY
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    Mendes4Lyfe wrote: »
    I don't why they would choose to emulate the last 2 Craig films, those were a scripting nightmare.

    I didn’t say they’d try to emulate them. Just that the past three movies are likely the most similar point of reference.
  • George_KaplanGeorge_Kaplan
    edited 7:48am Posts: 837
    Mendes4Lyfe wrote: »
    I don't why they would choose to emulate the last 2 Craig films, those were a scripting nightmare.

    A lot of the Bond films have had troubled productions. Also, the last two Craig films (yes, even Bond 25) were incredibly successful. So, they'll definitely be looking at them for guidance on how to continue that success.
  • 007HallY007HallY
    edited 8:00am Posts: 6,068
    I’ll put it this way - we’ve seen the First Light trailer and mini play through, and that retains aspects seen in the Craig films while doing something new. Ie. we get insight into Bond’s past/his parent’s death which isn’t miles away from SF and SP, Bond’s a bit of a rogue/loose cannon which is similar to how the character developed by the Craig era, and we’ve even gone back to a point the Craig films did - namely as Bond gets his 00 status. I think there’s even a few visual similarities to those later Craig films (pretty sure I remember a clip in the trailer where Bond’s being implanted with a tracking device in a chair which looks very similar to when he gets one in SP). It’s very much a post Craig era Bond adventure.

    It’ll be a bit like that I think with Bond 26. I don’t see any reason it’ll be a complete course correction, but they’ll do their own thing. It’ll be similar but different to paraphrase Knight.
  • ColonelAdamskiColonelAdamski UK
    edited 8:06am Posts: 1,194
    Occasionally on facebook, I'll see a Bond related post from something like 'Cinema UK' or whatever. It's all click-bait, and I imagine it pops up because I'm on a few Bond groups.
    I mention it because I'm always surprised how many negative comments I see for NTTD on social media. Perhaps eight or nine out of ten people are unhappy with the film, and the direction the series took.
    It's worse now than it was a few years ago. Judging by these comments, there's a real feel that people want a return to formula, and I don't think this type of feeling will go un-noticed by Amazon, (if it is indeed a true reflection of peoples' taste).
    The people that were happy with the film I think, were probably younger who were on board with the Craig films, and hadn't got sentimental attachment to the franchise overall.

    I wonder what the best way to judge the wider public's view is?

    I know one thing, when people say 'look how much it took at the box office' as a barometer of public approval, I never trust that. Loads of people went to see it because it was James Bond, and Craig's last, and it was reviewed well. But I think a great proportion of people that went to see it came away disappointed. More than fans of the film would like to admit.

  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited 8:11am Posts: 19,320
    Nine out of ten shouty people complain about it, yes, but I think it's easy to mistake noise for consensus- otherwise you might look at X.com and think everyone around must be a Nazi. It's got an 88% audience mark on RT, which I know is flawed too but seems less anecdotal. As you say, I don't know the best way to judge the public view.
  • 007HallY007HallY
    edited 8:16am Posts: 6,068
    I think fans or people with strong feelings about Bond can have a vocal disliking to it (usually via the internet). Let’s be honest, it comes down to the ending. For many in that crowd it’s just not what a Bond film should do, and it taints the rest of the film.

    But seek what you want on the internet and you’ll find it. I’m sure many Superman fans out there are convinced no one likes the latest film and Snyder’s instalments are all universally loved because they only see negative opinions about it online. But let’s face it, that’s not true and a wide audience enjoyed the movie ;) and take it from me, the new one isn’t a film I loved.

    I can only say this anecdotally, but I know a few people who saw NTTD - some who don’t much like Bond films - and all thought it was a pretty good film. Maybe not up there with CR or SF, but pretty good. Actually having rewatched it I can’t help but admire and enjoy NTTD, as much as I have criticisms about it. In hindsight it’s a very poignant Bond film too.
  • ColonelAdamskiColonelAdamski UK
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    I think people who vote on RT are more likely to be movie fans, who go to the cinema more than the average Joe, and take an active interest in the actual quality of the productions. And I'd expect someone like that, to come away from NTTD quite pleased. It is, after all, a quality movie, whatever misgivings people might have with the direction it took.
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