EoN sells up - Amazon MGM to produce 007 going forwards (Steven Knight to Write)

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  • DaltonforyouDaltonforyou The Daltonator
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    MSL49 wrote: »
    Denis Villeneuve has been saying the script for Dune 3 has been mostly complete since the Dune 2 press tour, yet it still took 2.5 years to actually make it and release. Bond 26 doesn't even have a competed first draft yet, and isn't a sequel meaning the entire cast and crew needs to be assembled from scratch.

    Don't worry @Mendes4Lyfe Without them announcing something, they're quietly working on Bond 26. I think they already know who Bond 7 is. All that's left is for Villeneuve to wrap up Dune and read Knight's script.

    I think they have somewhere potential list for Bond but thats about it at this point.

    I think they know. Surely, Knight is writing the script based on the actor...Amazon-Heyman-Pascal have looked at.

    I'm not so sure. I have a feeling they're writing for a young male actor in his late twenties or early thirties. Not much else.
  • SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ Lekki, Lagos, Nigeria
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    MSL49 wrote: »
    Denis Villeneuve has been saying the script for Dune 3 has been mostly complete since the Dune 2 press tour, yet it still took 2.5 years to actually make it and release. Bond 26 doesn't even have a competed first draft yet, and isn't a sequel meaning the entire cast and crew needs to be assembled from scratch.

    Don't worry @Mendes4Lyfe Without them announcing something, they're quietly working on Bond 26. I think they already know who Bond 7 is. All that's left is for Villeneuve to wrap up Dune and read Knight's script.

    I think they have somewhere potential list for Bond but thats about it at this point.

    I think they know. Surely, Knight is writing the script based on the actor...Amazon-Heyman-Pascal have looked at.

    I'm not so sure. I have a feeling they're writing for a young male actor in his late twenties or early thirties. Not much else.

    Well, we'll see how it goes.
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    To be fair I’m pretty sure Knight said he wasn’t writing it with an actor in mind.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    Burgess wrote: »
    There's always been nationalism with Bond, even if comments Bond has made at times, such as in the books, are made with a bit of irony, dry wit. He also just as much talks about his duty to his country with seriousness and displays in his inner thoughts, pride for his country.



    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-15096805/Bond-writer-Steven-Knight-insists-raising-flags-celebrate-creative-nationalism-British-institutions-including-007-declares-better-stronger-bolder-new-script.html


    I like his comments here.

    While the line between patriotism and nationalism is a narrow tightrope, Bond’s Britishness is a baked-in element that, I think, most audiences get. This element may prove to be an asset in a world that’s becoming increasingly wary of American influence. Bond is financed by Americans but the flavor of the franchise is international. Patriotism does not preclude pluralism or curiosity or openness.

    Can't imagine why.

    Bond 26 title: Keeping The End Up
  • MSL49MSL49 Finland
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    MSL49 wrote: »
    Denis Villeneuve has been saying the script for Dune 3 has been mostly complete since the Dune 2 press tour, yet it still took 2.5 years to actually make it and release. Bond 26 doesn't even have a competed first draft yet, and isn't a sequel meaning the entire cast and crew needs to be assembled from scratch.

    Don't worry @Mendes4Lyfe Without them announcing something, they're quietly working on Bond 26. I think they already know who Bond 7 is. All that's left is for Villeneuve to wrap up Dune and read Knight's script.

    I think they have somewhere potential list for Bond but thats about it at this point.

    I think they know. Surely, Knight is writing the script based on the actor...Amazon-Heyman-Pascal have looked at.

    I'm not so sure. I have a feeling they're writing for a young male actor in his late twenties or early thirties. Not much else.

    Perfect age to start.
  • Posts: 2,054
    Quote from a recent online article. "James Bond fans are fuming after Peaky Blinders creator Steven Knight admitted he’s writing the new 007 script with no actor in mind — answering with a hesitant “Er… yes” when pressed." Seems to confirm that he is not writing to an specific actor. What irritates me is the tone of articles like this which paint things in a negative tone. Which Bond fans are fuming? Why not write to the character in the films and novels as opposed to an actor? This just seems like just the start of internet negativity as we get closer to production.
  • Posts: 2,368
    delfloria wrote: »
    Quote from a recent online article. "James Bond fans are fuming after Peaky Blinders creator Steven Knight admitted he’s writing the new 007 script with no actor in mind — answering with a hesitant “Er… yes” when pressed." Seems to confirm that he is not writing to an specific actor. What irritates me is the tone of articles like this which paint things in a negative tone. Which Bond fans are fuming? Why not write to the character in the films and novels as opposed to an actor? This just seems like just the start of internet negativity as we get closer to production.

    Its just typical tabloid clickbait bollocks.

    “James Bond fans in DESPAIR as new revelations come to light about the next instalment”.

    etc…

    By their logic, he should be writing every character with an actor in mind.

    It’s just inane
  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    Mallory wrote: »
    delfloria wrote: »
    Quote from a recent online article. "James Bond fans are fuming after Peaky Blinders creator Steven Knight admitted he’s writing the new 007 script with no actor in mind — answering with a hesitant “Er… yes” when pressed." Seems to confirm that he is not writing to an specific actor. What irritates me is the tone of articles like this which paint things in a negative tone. Which Bond fans are fuming? Why not write to the character in the films and novels as opposed to an actor? This just seems like just the start of internet negativity as we get closer to production.

    Its just typical tabloid clickbait bollocks.

    “James Bond fans in DESPAIR as new revelations come to light about the next instalment”.

    etc…

    By their logic, he should be writing every character with an actor in mind.

    It’s just inane

    Correct me if I'm wrong, but weren't DN and CR written without an actor in mind?

    Just saying.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    Not only that but TLD and Goldeneye were written with a different actor in mind.
  • MSL49MSL49 Finland
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    Not only that but TLD and Goldeneye were written with a different actor in mind.

    And how they turned a round.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    Even in an actor has already signed on the dotted line, at this point, Knight’s public position would have to be that he’s not writing for a particular actor; it’s not his place to say anything otherwise.
  • BennyBenny Shaken not stirredAdministrator, Moderator
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    We may get some news, possibly in two weeks time.
    Maybe they’ll throw is a small nugget to keep us happy.
    For the time being I think we just have to wait for the next chapter of the James Bond journey to unfold. We have a writer and director. Along with a very competent set of producers.
    We don’t know how far along with anything they’re doing, so before we worry let’s just wait and see what happens. It’s not like we can do anything about it either way.
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
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    I hate to be this guy, but unfortunately, I just can't get excited about any of it knowing it's all under the shadow of bezos. It would have been alright if Barbara and Michael were still helming the ship under that storm, but given how all that ended... like I said it's hard for me to get excited.
    Which feels doubly bad because in any other context, I'd be extremely excited to see a Villeneuve Bond film.
  • LucknFateLucknFate 007 In New York
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    Then you should be excited! It's not like BB and MGW are saints? And now they're collectively billionaires too. Who cares at this point?
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
    edited September 21 Posts: 8,622
    I think the fear of the Bezos influence is unwarranted; to this point the creative decisions have been on point and show that there is a respect for the character. Also, for all we know, he is a fan who wants to put on the screen something that is embraced by fans as well as the general public.

    Strictly from a business standpoint, he wants to make as much money as possible; you don’t so that by wrecking an iconic, successful, enduring franchise.

    As much as I dread a “dealbreaker” being cast, I’m excited…
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
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    LucknFate wrote: »
    Then you should be excited! It's not like BB and MGW are saints? And now they're collectively billionaires too. Who cares at this point?

    Bezos and saints is a false dichotomy if I've ever heard one. But it's true, I am happy that they're incredibly rich. They're a lot more philanthropic than some. I guess I care at this point, but fair play to those who don't.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Just to further confirm what I was saying a couple of weeks back: the blurb on the new Thunderball score release mentions London Operations LLC in all of the places where previous releases mentioned Danjaq: I think it’s safe to say Danjaq is gone and London Operations is the new owner of James Bond 007 and all previous movies and associated elements.
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    mtm wrote: »
    Just to further confirm what I was saying a couple of weeks back: the blurb on the new Thunderball score release mentions London Operations LLC in all of the places where previous releases mentioned Danjaq: I think it’s safe to say Danjaq is gone and London Operations is the new owner of James Bond 007 and all previous movies and associated elements.

    Good observation.
  • LucknFateLucknFate 007 In New York
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    LucknFate wrote: »
    Then you should be excited! It's not like BB and MGW are saints? And now they're collectively billionaires too. Who cares at this point?

    Bezos and saints is a false dichotomy if I've ever heard one. But it's true, I am happy that they're incredibly rich. They're a lot more philanthropic than some. I guess I care at this point, but fair play to those who don't.

    Then what exactly is the problem with Bezos? That one (likely false or joking) article about him wanting his wife in the movie? Otherwise he's clearly very hands off so far it seems, so there shouldn't be a problem. It will get a cinema release. There is literally nothing to worry about. It'd be like complaining that Bill Gates offered to fund your education.
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
    edited September 22 Posts: 7,680
    LucknFate wrote: »
    LucknFate wrote: »
    Then you should be excited! It's not like BB and MGW are saints? And now they're collectively billionaires too. Who cares at this point?

    Bezos and saints is a false dichotomy if I've ever heard one. But it's true, I am happy that they're incredibly rich. They're a lot more philanthropic than some. I guess I care at this point, but fair play to those who don't.

    Then what exactly is the problem with Bezos? That one (likely false or joking) article about him wanting his wife in the movie? Otherwise he's clearly very hands off so far it seems, so there shouldn't be a problem. It will get a cinema release. There is literally nothing to worry about. It'd be like complaining that Bill Gates offered to fund your education.

    I don't think only about Bond films, and I don't take Bezos in a vacuum. I just want to support him financially as little as possible. I just think he's unethical and his business is unethical, I'm disappointed in his methods in dispatching the Broccoli family whom were fantastic stewards of the franchise for sixty years.
    I've no doubt the team behind Bond 26 can make a brilliant Bond film. I'm just disappointed it's Amazon and Bezos behind the whole thing, I don't think that's an extremely unreasonable position to take, and it's okay if we don't agree on it.
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    I don't feel sorry for Barbara and Michael. They made the deal of the century.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Yeah, I’m still a bit puzzled as to what they actually sold, seeing as they still own half of 007!
    I guess it was the clause that Eon produced the Bond films they sold up on; still, quite a deal.
  • edited September 22 Posts: 2,368
    Steven Knight was interviewed this morning on BBC Breakfast about his new series 'House of Guinness'. He was asked about Bond, but said nothing other than he was writing it.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Oh that was him with Dervla Kirwan wasn’t it? I knew I recognised him from somewhere but didn’t pay attention.
  • edited September 22 Posts: 5,958
    LucknFate wrote: »
    LucknFate wrote: »
    Then you should be excited! It's not like BB and MGW are saints? And now they're collectively billionaires too. Who cares at this point?

    Bezos and saints is a false dichotomy if I've ever heard one. But it's true, I am happy that they're incredibly rich. They're a lot more philanthropic than some. I guess I care at this point, but fair play to those who don't.

    Then what exactly is the problem with Bezos? That one (likely false or joking) article about him wanting his wife in the movie? Otherwise he's clearly very hands off so far it seems, so there shouldn't be a problem. It will get a cinema release. There is literally nothing to worry about. It'd be like complaining that Bill Gates offered to fund your education.

    I don't think only about Bond films, and I don't take Bezos in a vacuum. I just want to support him financially as little as possible. I just think he's unethical and his business is unethical, I'm disappointed in his methods in dispatching the Broccoli family whom were fantastic stewards of the franchise for sixty years.
    I've no doubt the team behind Bond 26 can make a brilliant Bond film. I'm just disappointed it's Amazon and Bezos behind the whole thing, I don't think that's an extremely unreasonable position to take, and it's okay if we don't agree on it.

    For what it's worth, I don't think it's a case of any one side winning here. I suspect if we knew more of the ins and outs of the deal it'd paint a more complex picture than Jeff Bezos pushing the little man aside. In practice it may have been unlikely that EON would still be making Bond past a certain point, regardless of who it was passed onto. We know it didn't seem to have a third generation able to continue (save for Gregg Wilson, who was seemingly not up to the task for whatever reason), and with one key figure retiring that doesn't paint a positive future for the franchise. Unfortunately, the circumstances for all this started in the mid-70s with Saltzman and Cubby Broccoli, and various incarnations of MGM have caused problems with Bond for years. It makes sense that the Amazon incarnation of it had a hand in this problem.

    At any rate, EON got a billion dollars and still retain their share of the franchise. That's nothing to be sniffed at in any negotiation, especially when dealing with a major company like Amazon. Ultimately Bond as a franchise didn't die with EON, which is a factor I don't think any of us would truly understand. Not only that, but new key creatives who have been hired either have a previous association with EON's James Bond, or are top line talent. In terms of the PR wars in late 2024 (ie. the WSJ article coming out after Jennifer Salke's bizarre, passive aggressive public comments) EON I think came out top, and it could well be a case where that cemented certain clauses in this deal. In many ways it's quite condescending thinking of EON, MGW, and BB as 'the little guys' because these are savy, and even quite ruthless producers who've been around a while and have weathered so many other storms for this franchise over the years.

    I'm not saying Amazon being the creative heirs of Bond is ideal in any way. In the long run without stewards like EON I think there's a risk of some very subpar instalments. In the short term they seem to have a good team though.
  • MSL49MSL49 Finland
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    Exciting is the word what need for next Bond.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    007HallY wrote: »
    LucknFate wrote: »
    LucknFate wrote: »
    Then you should be excited! It's not like BB and MGW are saints? And now they're collectively billionaires too. Who cares at this point?

    Bezos and saints is a false dichotomy if I've ever heard one. But it's true, I am happy that they're incredibly rich. They're a lot more philanthropic than some. I guess I care at this point, but fair play to those who don't.

    Then what exactly is the problem with Bezos? That one (likely false or joking) article about him wanting his wife in the movie? Otherwise he's clearly very hands off so far it seems, so there shouldn't be a problem. It will get a cinema release. There is literally nothing to worry about. It'd be like complaining that Bill Gates offered to fund your education.

    I don't think only about Bond films, and I don't take Bezos in a vacuum. I just want to support him financially as little as possible. I just think he's unethical and his business is unethical, I'm disappointed in his methods in dispatching the Broccoli family whom were fantastic stewards of the franchise for sixty years.
    I've no doubt the team behind Bond 26 can make a brilliant Bond film. I'm just disappointed it's Amazon and Bezos behind the whole thing, I don't think that's an extremely unreasonable position to take, and it's okay if we don't agree on it.

    For what it's worth, I don't think it's a case of any one side winning here. I suspect if we knew more of the ins and outs of the deal it'd paint a more complex picture than Jeff Bezos pushing the little man aside. In practice it may have been unlikely that EON would still be making Bond past a certain point, regardless of who it was passed onto. We know it didn't seem to have a third generation able to continue (save for Gregg Wilson, who was seemingly not up to the task for whatever reason), and with one key figure retiring that doesn't paint a positive future for the franchise.

    There's talk that they were starting to look at getting out after Spectre; which makes sense really- these things take a long time and Spectre does kind of work as an ending.
    I suspect that half of Bond was perhaps quite a tricky thing to sell though, and MGM were in the doldrums before Amazon came along so might not have been able to afford it.
  • Posts: 5,958
    mtm wrote: »
    007HallY wrote: »
    LucknFate wrote: »
    LucknFate wrote: »
    Then you should be excited! It's not like BB and MGW are saints? And now they're collectively billionaires too. Who cares at this point?

    Bezos and saints is a false dichotomy if I've ever heard one. But it's true, I am happy that they're incredibly rich. They're a lot more philanthropic than some. I guess I care at this point, but fair play to those who don't.

    Then what exactly is the problem with Bezos? That one (likely false or joking) article about him wanting his wife in the movie? Otherwise he's clearly very hands off so far it seems, so there shouldn't be a problem. It will get a cinema release. There is literally nothing to worry about. It'd be like complaining that Bill Gates offered to fund your education.

    I don't think only about Bond films, and I don't take Bezos in a vacuum. I just want to support him financially as little as possible. I just think he's unethical and his business is unethical, I'm disappointed in his methods in dispatching the Broccoli family whom were fantastic stewards of the franchise for sixty years.
    I've no doubt the team behind Bond 26 can make a brilliant Bond film. I'm just disappointed it's Amazon and Bezos behind the whole thing, I don't think that's an extremely unreasonable position to take, and it's okay if we don't agree on it.

    For what it's worth, I don't think it's a case of any one side winning here. I suspect if we knew more of the ins and outs of the deal it'd paint a more complex picture than Jeff Bezos pushing the little man aside. In practice it may have been unlikely that EON would still be making Bond past a certain point, regardless of who it was passed onto. We know it didn't seem to have a third generation able to continue (save for Gregg Wilson, who was seemingly not up to the task for whatever reason), and with one key figure retiring that doesn't paint a positive future for the franchise.

    There's talk that they were starting to look at getting out after Spectre; which makes sense really- these things take a long time and Spectre does kind of work as an ending.
    I suspect that half of Bond was perhaps quite a tricky thing to sell though, and MGM were in the doldrums before Amazon came along so might not have been able to afford it.

    At the end of the day none of us live forever. And even if we did we wouldn't continue to work our whole lives. At some point Broccoli or Wilson were going to retire, and obviously they were thinking about the future of the franchise.

    Would it have been ideal if a third generation of EON picked up the mantle? Yes, but only if they committed to it with the same dedication MGW and BB had. This seemingly wasn't the case (literally all of the other kids who'd worked at EON got out past a certain point). I suppose it was about making the best of the situation.
  • edited September 22 Posts: 2,368
    On the episode of James Bond & Friends (run by this forum’s sister site MI6 HQ) when the acquisition was announced, they remarked something regarding Gregg that had happened previously, but they never elaborated on it further.
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
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    A lot of great points here by a lot of people who know more about these things than I, and they do help to make me feel better about things. I never meant to paint EON as "the little guys", and I also am thrilled (as would Cubby be I'm sure) that they made away with their enormous sums of money. And it's cool to read that they still retain half of the franchise, I just wish they were still in creative control.
    But what people are saying about their time coming to an end inevitably anyways also rings true. For reasons outside of Bond, I still do feel ethically opposed to Bezos and Amazon, and I agree that their being in creative control also doesn't feel like it bodes well for Bond long term (despite the great creative team on board for this outing), time will tell about that.
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