Quick Big Mi6 Actor Ranking Game - 4th PLACE

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  • While time has been remarkably kind to OHMSS, Lazenby's reputation amongst Bond fans continues to be as divisive as ever - especially going by recent discussions here on the forum. As someone who likes ALL of the Bond actors and what they each brought to the role, I can see the positives in Lazenby's short lived tenure. For one thing, I think he is the most physically impressive and imposing Bond (until the arrival of Craig of course) and I sort of like how upbeat he is compared to other Bonds which makes the ending scene hit all the harder. I've maintained before that no other Bond actor could do as good a job as Lazenby when it came to that final scene - and I still stand by that opinion. Having said all that - Lazenby came in at Number 6 for me. Despite the admirable job he did - he simply falls short of the other actors here in this game.

    I still can't believe he somehow managed to rank higher Brosnan - the world has truly gone mad :D.
  • He's certainly pulled quite a coup! While I enjoy Majesty's, Lazenby is ultimately carried by the great actors around him. No particular moment stands out as great (outside of the ending), and the character on page isn't that far removed from Connery's character.

    The Bedlam/resignation scene is a pretty big example for me. With the other actors I put higher I feel as if they'd add something more to it, more facial reaction or change in line reading.

    Lazenby was certainly a bit lucky with being a one-film wonder; imagine how loved Craig would be if quit after Casino Royale! I think out of the EON Bonds, all of them could do an alright job in a good film. But with all the other Bonds, I see elements in their performance that show that they could carry a "bad" film or elevate a less serious work.
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    #5 is where I placed George. He appeared in one of THE best Bond movies of the series, and I agree with @R1s1ngs0n , for someone with so little experience he did extremely well. Yes, physically he was tremendous and he had a swagger about him (his first appearance in the casino descending the stairs is a doozy!) But I do think he does well in some dramatic scenes, his resignation, and of course all his scenes with Rigg, and I dont see Connery handling that final scene as well as him! He does a terrific gunbarrel too
    All in all the guy done good, and I agree with the ranking, I'd take George over Brossa any day of the week!
  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Per ora e per il momento che verrà
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    At the risk of repeating myself, I am and have always been a Lazenby defender. He was the first to make Bond human, yet without losing that style and elegance. Something perfected later on only by Tim imo.

    That final scene remains one of, if not THE best acted scene in the series and it's carried by George all on his own. Furthermore, he's the absolute best of the bunch in the fight scenes.

    I know his behaviour of camera was reportedly not the best, but that doesn't take anything away from his stellar performance in his one Bond film.

    I ranked George second. Proudly so.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited August 21 Posts: 18,878
    I think he's pretty bad, sorry. He has no presence at all, you can't tell what he's thinking at any point as there's just no life behind the eyes, he seems awkward and out of place a lot of the time, and he was obviously so poor at the comedy bit of the film he had to be dubbed by someone else. He's just not an actor, and definitely not a lead actor. Look at the sparkle and raw charisma of a Connery in FRWL or GF; Lazenby is a blank next to that. He's just not there.

    I think of those scenes like the cable car room or ski chase, where the other actors, when they're on their own in similar situations, can still engage the audience: they communicate to you what's going on, what they're thinking; you're on their side. In these scenes in OHMSS you're just kind of a spectator because GL can't do that. I even find the cable car room scene a bit boring: I reckon with exactly the same edit but a real actor it would be fine. I was thinking also of that scene in Spectre at the funeral, where Craig somehow lets you know that he's recognised Oberhauser, whilst his eyes are obscured by sunglasses and he barely moves a muscle at all.

    Yes, he does better than some of the leads of the Bond ripoffs you'd see from Italy or wherever at the time, and he carries himself better than Neil Connery or whoever, but it's a low bar. He is good in the fight scenes, I'll give him that.
    I guess I'd have ranked him above Nelson just because the film carries him to some extent, but I could never put Niven's name above him because y'know: David Niven. The man was a legend.
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    Thats Brosnan you're describing 😂😂😂
  • You mean the guy who actually had charisma and a film star like quality about him? Yeah okay.
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
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    I think George does mostly a 'good' job in the film, but to say he's the most imposing, carries the best acted scene in the series or overall ranks higher than Pierce is pretty hilarious, if not a slap in the face to the professional actors that took on the role. It's a mad world indeed.
  • edited 8:34am Posts: 5,805
    Lazenby’s performance is pretty frustrating. It ranges from a handful of good moments to some of the most wooden acting I’ve seen in a major film. And on top of that you have this otherwise great movie he’s in. As others have said he doesn’t quite have the ability to convey what he’s thinking onscreen. Good physicality though.

    I think it’s when he’s doing less that he excels. The final scene is actually an example. From what I understand he wanted to cry for it, and Hunt told him no, James Bond doesn’t cry. Actually, Hunt was right in his own way! The moment is one of shock on Bond’s part, to the point he’s even trying to deny to himself Tracy is dead (‘she’s just having a rest’.) That’s what made the moment in the novel so tragic, and it’s the same here. Seeing Bond holding back tears in this moment was more impactful. Even if Lazenby could cry convincingly onscreen (and let’s be honest, he’s no Sean Connery or Daniel Craig) it would have been the wrong choice.

    Anyway, a very strange, even contradictory Bond performance.
  • royale65royale65 Caustic misanthrope reporting for duty.
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    You have to hand it to George, the story of getting the Bond gig, is legendary. I do believe that Lazenby would have grown into the role, given time. Sure, he betrays his lack of experience, but anyone going into that gig, post Connery, would always going to struggle.

    Lazenby ranges from wooden, to doing a bang up job. And everything in between. But most of all, Lazenby was the human Bond. And for that, I'm grateful. A good Bond in an outstanding film.

    Laz, my man, I salute you for having the balls to go and get the Bond role. Isn't that the dream of all of us?
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    George fooled Cubby and Harry - he was an actor all right.

    Truth is, I like him as Bond. He was still very rough, sure, but he had room to improve in future films, and physically, he fit the role. I know it was his decision, but I wish he'd have stuck around a little longer...
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    Yeh, the two big Ifs of the series, what if Dalton got his 3rd Bond, and what if George starred in DAF?
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    Mathis1 wrote: »
    Yeh, the two big Ifs of the series, what if Dalton got his 3rd Bond, and what if George starred in DAF?

    The big problem there is that I wouldn't want to lose either the Moore era or the Brosnan era. I'm rather fond of both actors; I find them often unfairly maligned because of some of the less popular films they starred in. Honestly, though, that's not on them.

    I would have been fine, however, with Lazenby doing at least one more after OHMSS, possibly bringing in elements from Fleming's YOLT, to round things off. In that fantasy, Lazenby would have had two films, more or less disconnected from the other films, more serious, dramatic, and to some extent faithful to Fleming. Sacrificing DAF for an OHMSS² film feels acceptable to me, no matter how much I love that outrageously silly Connery movie.

    Dalton could be easier. No sacrifices needed. Another film in '91 and then another in '93. Tim looked great in '91:

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    I think he could easily have continued playing Bond until the early 21st century. Then again, I'm glad we got Brosnan as well.
  • j_w_pepperj_w_pepper Born on the bayou, but I now hear a new dog barkin'
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    I didn't send in my rating because I hadn't come around to watch CR'54 and didn't want to place Barry whats-his-name at the bottom just because he was an American. And I am not a Brosnan fan, in my opinion he was basically "okay". That being said, I can't see why anyone would rate Lazenby higher than Brosnan. At the risk of repeating myself from other threads, I never "bought" Lazenby as an intelligent secret agent because he just plainly looks too stupid to me, whenever he tries out one of his range of about two facial expressions in the course of the movie. And I don't share the accolades of his handling of the final scene either. I don't find his emotions there credible in the least. It's just soap-opera style kitsch. Oh, what a great movie OHMSS could have been, had they employed an actor for the protagonist!
  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Per ora e per il momento che verrà
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    George's Bond divides the fanbase, that's for sure, he has his fans but also quite a few detractors too.

    I think our next reveal will also be slighty controversial, because at #4 comes in:

    DANIEL CRAIG
    Ian Fleming's James Bond 007 in
    Casino Royale (2006), Quantum of Solace (2008), Skyfall (2012), Spectre (2015), No Time to Die (2021)

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    The most recent incarnation is the other 007, next to Lazenby, who has received a major film award nomination for a Bond performance: a BAFTA nomination Best Actor for his turn as 007 in Casino Royale.

    Known to be the first and so far only blond Bond, as well as being the only EON Bond to die onscreen (the only other one was Niven in the non-EON CR67), he has brought critical acclaim to the franchise and has proven to be a popular and successful James Bond.

    As for this game, Dan received one gold medal, three silvers and two bronzes. Other top 5's were three 4th places and four 5th spots.

    He however just misses out on the top 3 because there were also two lower finishes: one penultimate and one last place. This makes him the only participant with both a top as well as a bottom finish. He's also one of only three, and the only EON actor, to be ranked last at least once.

    Daniel Craig ended the contest with 90 points, earning him a very respectable 4th place nonetheless.
  • edited 12:24pm Posts: 8,496
    Woah, another surprise! Thought he would be higher! I guess there's a bit of a backlash after NTTD and fans getting tired of him! For me I had Craig #2. Thought he was fantastic in the role and rekindled my love for Bond after the depressing previous era! I will never forget that first viewing of CR, came out thoroughly elated! Despite the drop in quality after QoS, Craig himself was always superb, and I will always be thankful for what he did for the series! He will be a hard act to follow!
  • edited 12:38pm Posts: 5,805
    :)) Yeah, I think this list in general shows why actor rankings on fan sites are pretty flawed in practice. But hey, someone's gotta come in 4th, 5th etc.

    Personally, I think Craig was a great Bond. Didn't always have the best films to work with (although CR and SF I think are top tier Bond movies, and his other movies all have some great stuff in there). Controversially, I'd actually say he put in the most consistently good performances out of any Bond, including Connery. I think while understandably some of his films irk fans (let's be honest, we're pretty hard-line on what we want from Bond films) I think he legitimately reinvented the role in the most noticeable way since Sean Connery, all while keeping the core of the character. I can't imagine any alternative actor having as much impact as he did during his tenure.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited 12:43pm Posts: 18,878
    Yeah I was thinking you guys would probably do this! :D

    I would really be happy for the top three being any variation of Connery, Moore and Craig, because they're the three kings of Bond for me and fairly hard to separate in a way, in that they all have strengths in different ways. I don't know for sure which order I'd place them in, but I do know that I think I wouldn't argue with anyone who thought Craig was the best Bond, just because he's hugely impressive and totally flawless in the role. The next guy has really big boots to fill, and it will be pretty daunting to take on the number.
    Craig nails all the key bits of Bond: he's tough; suave; displays real star quality; feels tangibly sexy- I totally believe those women fall for his alpha male charms; doesn't overplay it so never seems too showy and is believably a tough spy not letting his inner thoughts betray him, and yet manages to let the audience in enough to read what he's thinking; plays Bond's self-confidence so perfectly- you know he has total confidence in himself, even when his Bond arguably is more fallible than the others which is a tricky act to pull off; adds humanity to the part in a way none of the others have quite managed before; is physically great in the role and gets involved in loads of the action; and he's totally cool in the role. I don't know what else you could ask for, really. For a lot of people in the mid-thirties and younger he just is James Bond.
    Is he the best Bond? Yeah, depending on the sort of Bond I want that day, he totally is.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    I ranked Craig high up there. He's a wonderful Bond, arguably the best we've ever had in many ways. He's always given tremendous performances; he's always been committed. Even when a couple of minors with a computer started to personally attack the man on the Internet, he didn't cave in. Even when tabloid "journalists" from his own country felt the need to write obnoxious things about his chances as Bond, he gave us his all. As a result, CR took the world by surprise. There are still those who accuse Craig of interfering too much with the creative process. I think it's great to have an actor who has shown such involvement, such a commitment, and such an energy to firmly position Bond in a century in which he hardly belongs and keep him relevant.
  • R1s1ngs0nR1s1ngs0n France
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    Craig is 5th for me. While I prefer his Bond portayal to Brosnan's, I regard his films as pale imitations of the Bourne movies, only with better dressed characters.
    Like with Brosnan's tenure, I lay the blame mostly on the scripts and some very odd decision making on part of the producers. But the fact that Craig seemed to have more creative input than any of his predecessors, also factors in my evaluation of his contribution to the role.
    However, I must admit I am quite suprised he finished 4th as I was anticipating a top 3 finish along with Connery and Dalton.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited 1:54pm Posts: 18,878
    R1s1ngs0n wrote: »
    However, I must admit I am quite suprised he finished 4th as I was anticipating a top 3 finish along with Connery and Dalton.

    If Roger finishes below Dalton then I really am going to start flipping tables :D
  • BennyBenny Shaken not stirredAdministrator, Moderator
    edited 2:20pm Posts: 15,504
    mtm wrote: »
    R1s1ngs0n wrote: »
    However, I must admit I am quite suprised he finished 4th as I was anticipating a top 3 finish along with Connery and Dalton.

    If Roger finishes below Dalton then I really am going to start flipping tables :D

    For someone who declined to participate you’re really rather vocal.

    I’m sure you’ll ignore my post as you generally do…but I won’t.
  • I put Craig at 4. Again, like with Brosnan, I very much felt like I was disrespecting the great work he had done with Bond. Perhaps the only guilt I may have is not moving him above my third place pick.

    In Casino Royale, Craig is fantastic. He is tough and confident in a way that never is over done. His walk is perfect, he is very believable as an action man, and the emotional content is handled brilliantly. He does a good job of bringing about Fleming's self-centred tough man.

    Quantum of Solace is even better in terms of Craig's work. Craig does an amazing job of sitting on the fence between revenge and professionalism. There is a more even confidence, with the same physical prowess and a sort of stoic emotionality that works really well. It helps that this is one of my favourite films to revisit.

    Skyfall is not my cup of tea very often, but it's quite a good film and Craig is quite good in it. Him being stoically emotional is is whole performance. In Shanghai, after swimming for example, he does a good job of portraying doubts and fears without being too obvious. The whole Macao sequence is quite good from him too.

    Unfortunately, it's downhill from then on. Spectre has no strong moments from Craig and some bizarre ones, like his desperation to turn off Mr. White's death or his decision to not kill Blofeld. Most of this can probably be attributed to the material he was working with, but I wasn't sold by those moments.

    And in No Time To Die, there were flourishes of his past good performances but I don't think it worked overall for me. Bond went from stoically emotional to just emotional. For example; at Vesper's grave, where perhaps a look, or even a completely passive reaction would have done well, he says "I miss you." His dramatic confession of love to Madeleine also doesn't exactly feel right for the character. Perhaps some of this is because Bond was put in so many new situations and the result seemed inauthentic. But since Craig did have a high level of creative control I can generally hold him accountable for these elements of the material. Yes Bond should face new situations and challenges and change, but not to the point of unrecognisable behaviours as we sometimes see in this film.

    So while I do feel bad for having him in the bottom half of EON actors, it'd be hard to push him higher.
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    Surely anyone can chime in with their thoughts? It's a free forum. No one can change anything about votes, and it's all just a bit of fun (and hey, I declined to vote just because I don't think the Bond actors can be ranked as a whole, and here I am).
  • While among the EON actors Lazenby would always be in the basement, the remaining 120 combinations for a top 5 all make sense to me. I don't think any ranking could be egregious or overly shocking (Lazenby over Brosnan was perhaps the only surprise, but even looking at the film ranking game and past discussions I don't think that was even too shocking)
  • BennyBenny Shaken not stirredAdministrator, Moderator
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    One has much stronger weight in the debate, if one participated I’m sure you’ll agree though. If you declined to vote it is of course acceptable.
    The merit of one’s participation being one not that would determine a definitive outlook on proceedings, but one that was personal to those participating.
    With a small number who decided to join in, the outcomes can differ wildly.
    They obviously hold no real weight as to who the definitive Bond actors are across any forum.
  • Posts: 5,805
    Benny wrote: »
    One has much stronger weight in the debate, if one participated I’m sure you’ll agree though. If you declined to vote it is of course acceptable.

    Well, I don't think there's a debate or an attempt to downplay the effort that went into creating this vote or anything like that. At the moment it's just folks giving their opinion about these actors and where they've come in on this list, whether they voted or not, through the topic of these rankings.

    But anyway, I'm not here to argue or anything. Just saying :)
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited 3:09pm Posts: 18,878
    007HallY wrote: »
    Surely anyone can chime in with their thoughts? It's a free forum. No one can change anything about votes, and it's all just a bit of fun (and hey, I declined to vote just because I don't think the Bond actors can be ranked as a whole, and here I am).

    I didn't even decline, I just forgot! :) Here's me thinking it was just a bit of fun and we were just chatting to pass the time, I guess I'll leave you guys to it.
  • BennyBenny Shaken not stirredAdministrator, Moderator
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    Oh we’re all just saying.
    😉
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    I’m shocked Craig is this low - though perhaps I’m a bit in alignment with this placing. For me Craig came in at Number 5. I think he did a great job at blending elements of Connery, Lazenby, and Dalton’s Bond but I also felt a few things were off about his portrayal. In my personal opinion he comes across as a bit too “brutish” in places and I while I think that’s a perfectly valid direction to take the character in - I found that he was less the “Masterspy” that I fell in love watching and became more akin to Jason Bourne. Mind you there are also elements I do like about his portrayal - but like Lazenby I find that the other actors succeed more at bringing out the qualities that I personally admire about the character of Bond. Having said all that, seeing as how Craig was Bond for the vast majority of my time on this wonderful planet (thus far) - I do somewhat miss having him in the role. I definitely think he was the most skillful actor to take the part but that unfortunately didn’t translate to him being the “best” Bond for me.
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