Would you rather the next actor to play Bond do 2-3 films OR do 5-7 films?

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  • Posts: 1,978
    As Rog said in AVTAK, a little of both would be ideal.
  • PrinceKamalKhanPrinceKamalKhan Monsoon Palace, Udaipur
    edited August 14 Posts: 3,287
    thedove wrote: »
    I think back to the series and we have some great films where our man is in love or at least the romance is played up. I think of FRWL, TLD, OHMSS, and perhaps CR. The story dictates romance either due to the story or the time the film was released.

    Then we have the more action heavy films where the romance is not front and centre. I think of TND, QOS, GE, FYEO, LALD, GF. These films still feature lovely ladies aiding Bond but their romance doesn't feed into the story.

    Good way of breaking down the differences between these 2 film styles @thedove

    I think from the Moore era I might add TSWLM to the romantic films. I think I'd also add OP even though OP story and script wise really belongs more in the action film category the strong Roger Moore/Maud Adams chemistry backed up by John Barry's lush score tends to push it more romantic for me.
    Ludovico wrote: »
    QBranch wrote: »
    TB has a good balance of both and that's part of why it's one of the best.

    I conpletely agree with you, but sadly this is not really the consensus here.
    a more adventurous Bond movie?
    thedove wrote: »
    I think back to the series and we have some great films where our man is in love or at least the romance is played up. I think of FRWL, TLD, OHMSS, and perhaps CR. The story dictates romance either due to the story or the time the film was released.

    4 great Bond films and solidly in my top 7. However, it's not so special if Bond "finds true love" with his leading lady in every film or every other film. About once a decade is enough for that type of Bond story IMHO.

    QBranch wrote: »
    TB has a good balance of both and that's part of why it's one of the best.

    +1

    Something that came to my mind regarding FRWL: I don't think it's a very romantic Bond film, at least in comparison to OHMSS, TLD and CR, all far more romantic than FRWL. In fact, I'd say FRWL is less romantic than OP or TWINE. In fact, for me FRWL is in many ways an anti-romantic film. Yes, Tanya falls in love, but this is not reciprocated, Bond pretty much pimping himself for Queen and Country. The movie is an exploration of sexual taboos and power dynamics.

    Since Connery opted not to make OHMSS we never really got to see his Bond in an OHMSS/TLD/CR type romance. However I think Tatiana from FRWL and Domino from TB are the two Bond girls his 007 came the closest to falling in love with IMHO.

    @Ludovico Interesting points about Bond/Tatiana in FRWL. I think Bond/Kara in TLD is like a more OHMSS/CR romantic type version of that Bond/Tatiana relationship(the girl is a defector from an iron curtain country who is being used by the defecting Soviet military intelligence official and ends up falling for and aiding Bond and switches to his side). Connery's Bond was written more as a ladykiller and Dalton's Bond was written more as a classic romantic leading man so that would explain the variation.

  • edited August 14 Posts: 15,997
    thedove wrote: »
    I think back to the series and we have some great films where our man is in love or at least the romance is played up. I think of FRWL, TLD, OHMSS, and perhaps CR. The story dictates romance either due to the story or the time the film was released.

    Then we have the more action heavy films where the romance is not front and centre. I think of TND, QOS, GE, FYEO, LALD, GF. These films still feature lovely ladies aiding Bond but their romance doesn't feed into the story.

    Good way of breaking down the differences between these 2 film styles @thedove

    I think from the Moore era I might add TSWLM to the romantic films. I think I'd also add OP even though OP story and script wise really belongs more in the action film category the strong Roger Moore/Maud Adams chemistry backed up by John Barry's lush score tends to push it more romantic for me.
    Ludovico wrote: »
    QBranch wrote: »
    TB has a good balance of both and that's part of why it's one of the best.

    I conpletely agree with you, but sadly this is not really the consensus here.
    a more adventurous Bond movie?
    thedove wrote: »
    I think back to the series and we have some great films where our man is in love or at least the romance is played up. I think of FRWL, TLD, OHMSS, and perhaps CR. The story dictates romance either due to the story or the time the film was released.

    4 great Bond films and solidly in my top 7. However, it's not so special if Bond "finds true love" with his leading lady in every film or every other film. About once a decade is enough for that type of Bond story IMHO.

    QBranch wrote: »
    TB has a good balance of both and that's part of why it's one of the best.

    +1

    Something that came to my mind regarding FRWL: I don't think it's a very romantic Bond film, at least in comparison to OHMSS, TLD and CR, all far more romantic than FRWL. In fact, I'd say FRWL is less romantic than OP or TWINE. In fact, for me FRWL is in many ways an anti-romantic film. Yes, Tanya falls in love, but this is not reciprocated, Bond pretty much pimping himself for Queen and Country. The movie is an exploration of sexual taboos and power dynamics.

    Since Connery opted not to make OHMSS we never really got to see his Bond in an OHMSS/TLD/CR type romance. However I think Tatiana from FRWL and Domino from TB are the two Bond girls he came his 007 came the closest to falling in love with IMHO.

    @Ludovico Interesting points about Bond/Tatiana in FRWL. I think Bond/Kara in TLD is like a more OHMSS/CR romantic type version of that Bond/Tatiana relationship(the girl is a defector from an iron curtain country who is being used by the defecting Soviet military intelligence official and ends up falling for and aiding Bond and switches to his side). Connery's Bond was written more as a ladykiller and Dalton's Bond was written more as a classic romantic leading man so that would explain the variation.

    Yes, there's probably a lot to that. I also think that regardless of Bond's feeling towards Tatiana in FRWL, the whole film is rather cynical and merciless towards love and romantic feelings. Love is a commodity in FRWL. To be traded, used, manipulated. If they want the next Bond to be the anti CR, I think that's the route they need to take.
  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
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    Nice comments for both sides. I do enjoy the romantic side of the films and especially have a soft spot for the earlier efforts.

    Lets move on I was going to do a would you rather based on the actors first film or the actors last film. In other words, would you rather watch Sean in DN or DAF. and as I went through the actors it became clear that for most the first film would be a better watch than their last. Was this a reflection of an actor staying in the role for too long? Or did the quality drop off that much? Were the plots too outlandish by the end of the actors run. For this discussion I am really focusing on Sean, Roger, Pierce and Daniel.

    I then started to think about the length of an actor in the role. Which leads me to the question at hand:

    Would you rather the next fella do 2-3 films OR the next fella do 5-7 films?

    I am keeping this to films as the days of a predictable production schedule seem to be behind us and I am not sure if Amazon is fully committed to a series. They might be seeing what the returns are for the box office they achieve. When you think that films making $590 million are unlikely to make much profit it does shift the landscape.

    Given that, what is the optimal amount of films before we move on to another actor? In the legacy or early films, the role was handed off without "rebooting" or "restarting" the series. Given todays climate and audience expectation that might not play well. Does that impact how many films an actor does?

    Craig's five films took over 10 years to be brought to the screen. If rumours are true it appears that Amazon is casting a younger actor to play the role, does this mean they are looking for a long run from the actor?
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    Hard to tell before we know who will be cast. It would depend of his age, how well received he is, the quality of the films, etc. 2-3 seems a bit of a too short tenure for me, but 7 is too long.
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
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    Four or five seems good. Sometimes it takes a few films for the era to hit its Bondmania.
  • MSL49MSL49 Finland
    Posts: 434
    Five hit the sweetspot. Not too few like Dalton or too many like Moore.
  • Posts: 8,481
    There was always that 3 picture deal with an option of a 4th, which I think should still suffice!
  • SeveSeve The island of Lemoy
    Posts: 748
    Depends how old they are when they start really
    3 is a minimum
    But actors often seem to get bored / stale around the 5 mark, or is that just a stereotype promoted by professional critics?

    Once fans get comfortable with an actor they seem happy enough to continue regardless of age. I'm sure Craig-Bond would be welcomed back with open arms if he changed his mind and said he'd do a 6th, that is, if he hadn't been obliterated in NTTD...
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
    Posts: 8,557
    I’m not trying to “ split the baby “ but I think 4 is a good number; but I want them to have a broad plan and not just wander, grasping for a direction that was so apparent in the Craig era.
  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
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    Lazenby was given a 7 picture deal? Or was it 7 years? Connery I believed signed for 4 films and an option for a fifth? Dalton signed for three and then was released after 2. Brosnan signed for 3 and then a one off? Moore signed for 4 and then each successive film was a one off. He often swore that each film was his last. Brolin was cast for OP because Moore turned it down. But then once NSNA was announced Cubby knew he needed Moore to battle Connery.
  • Posts: 16,619
    7 films, one every two years.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    thedove wrote: »
    Excellent points raised for both. I am more of a traditionalist and hope we get something like DN in terms of Bond character. An agent with confidence who is used to the dangers of the job with some slight humanity.

    On to another question this one more general in nature.

    Would you rather watch a more romantic Bond movie OR a more adventurous Bond movie?

    I think back to the series and we have some great films where our man is in love or at least the romance is played up. I think of FRWL, TLD, OHMSS, and perhaps CR. The story dictates romance either due to the story or the time the film was released.

    Then we have the more action heavy films where the romance is not front and centre. I think of TND, QOS, GE, FYEO, LALD, GF. These films still feature lovely ladies aiding Bond but their romance doesn't feed into the story.

    If you have a choice are you throwing in a more romantic Bond film or one that downplays the romance but brings on the action.

    I would say both. We are due for a main female villain. The general concept of Elektra done right.
  • Posts: 12,830
    5-7, as long as the actor is good. As much as I love Dalton and Lazenby, it's just nicer to be able to have more selection from an era.
  • MooseWithFleasMooseWithFleas Philadelphia
    Posts: 3,385
    5-7 films of course!
  • M_BaljeM_Balje Amsterdam, Netherlands
    edited 7:47am Posts: 4,649
    Warner should have replaced David Yates, then Fantastic Beasts 4 have been a bigger hit. Corona backslash and David Yates be problem not the box office.

    Having a new writer is something we waiting on for very long, but Daniel Craig era bring back some things great things back. Inspecialy QOS and NTTD. It looks like it finaly go a bit to Roger Moore level. 12 years for 5 movies. Bond 28 should be released 5 years after Bond 26. That means Bond 28 should released 2 years after Bond 27. Example: 2027 - 2030 - 2032 - 2034 - 2037. That is actually 12 years if we count 2025 as start year. But if there can make 6. Pierce Brosnan was seen in Dante Speak in 1997 and Thomas Crown Affair in 1999, The Tailor of Panama in 2001 and Evelyn in 2002. if next actor can make 2 or mabey 3 none Bond movies in between.

    I hope Denise and Steven wil stay for 2 movies and then we should get at least another directer and second/3th Writer. Denise can always do another one.
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