Would you rather the next actor to play Bond do 2-3 films OR do 5-7 films?

1197198199200201203»

Comments

  • Posts: 1,978
    As Rog said in AVTAK, a little of both would be ideal.
  • PrinceKamalKhanPrinceKamalKhan Monsoon Palace, Udaipur
    edited 12:26pm Posts: 3,287
    thedove wrote: »
    I think back to the series and we have some great films where our man is in love or at least the romance is played up. I think of FRWL, TLD, OHMSS, and perhaps CR. The story dictates romance either due to the story or the time the film was released.

    Then we have the more action heavy films where the romance is not front and centre. I think of TND, QOS, GE, FYEO, LALD, GF. These films still feature lovely ladies aiding Bond but their romance doesn't feed into the story.

    Good way of breaking down the differences between these 2 film styles @thedove

    I think from the Moore era I might add TSWLM to the romantic films. I think I'd also add OP even though OP story and script wise really belongs more in the action film category the strong Roger Moore/Maud Adams chemistry backed up by John Barry's lush score tends to push it more romantic for me.
    Ludovico wrote: »
    QBranch wrote: »
    TB has a good balance of both and that's part of why it's one of the best.

    I conpletely agree with you, but sadly this is not really the consensus here.
    a more adventurous Bond movie?
    thedove wrote: »
    I think back to the series and we have some great films where our man is in love or at least the romance is played up. I think of FRWL, TLD, OHMSS, and perhaps CR. The story dictates romance either due to the story or the time the film was released.

    4 great Bond films and solidly in my top 7. However, it's not so special if Bond "finds true love" with his leading lady in every film or every other film. About once a decade is enough for that type of Bond story IMHO.

    QBranch wrote: »
    TB has a good balance of both and that's part of why it's one of the best.

    +1

    Something that came to my mind regarding FRWL: I don't think it's a very romantic Bond film, at least in comparison to OHMSS, TLD and CR, all far more romantic than FRWL. In fact, I'd say FRWL is less romantic than OP or TWINE. In fact, for me FRWL is in many ways an anti-romantic film. Yes, Tanya falls in love, but this is not reciprocated, Bond pretty much pimping himself for Queen and Country. The movie is an exploration of sexual taboos and power dynamics.

    Since Connery opted not to make OHMSS we never really got to see his Bond in an OHMSS/TLD/CR type romance. However I think Tatiana from FRWL and Domino from TB are the two Bond girls his 007 came the closest to falling in love with IMHO.

    @Ludovico Interesting points about Bond/Tatiana in FRWL. I think Bond/Kara in TLD is like a more OHMSS/CR romantic type version of that Bond/Tatiana relationship(the girl is a defector from an iron curtain country who is being used by the defecting Soviet military intelligence official and ends up falling for and aiding Bond and switches to his side). Connery's Bond was written more as a ladykiller and Dalton's Bond was written more as a classic romantic leading man so that would explain the variation.

  • edited 8:19am Posts: 15,995
    thedove wrote: »
    I think back to the series and we have some great films where our man is in love or at least the romance is played up. I think of FRWL, TLD, OHMSS, and perhaps CR. The story dictates romance either due to the story or the time the film was released.

    Then we have the more action heavy films where the romance is not front and centre. I think of TND, QOS, GE, FYEO, LALD, GF. These films still feature lovely ladies aiding Bond but their romance doesn't feed into the story.

    Good way of breaking down the differences between these 2 film styles @thedove

    I think from the Moore era I might add TSWLM to the romantic films. I think I'd also add OP even though OP story and script wise really belongs more in the action film category the strong Roger Moore/Maud Adams chemistry backed up by John Barry's lush score tends to push it more romantic for me.
    Ludovico wrote: »
    QBranch wrote: »
    TB has a good balance of both and that's part of why it's one of the best.

    I conpletely agree with you, but sadly this is not really the consensus here.
    a more adventurous Bond movie?
    thedove wrote: »
    I think back to the series and we have some great films where our man is in love or at least the romance is played up. I think of FRWL, TLD, OHMSS, and perhaps CR. The story dictates romance either due to the story or the time the film was released.

    4 great Bond films and solidly in my top 7. However, it's not so special if Bond "finds true love" with his leading lady in every film or every other film. About once a decade is enough for that type of Bond story IMHO.

    QBranch wrote: »
    TB has a good balance of both and that's part of why it's one of the best.

    +1

    Something that came to my mind regarding FRWL: I don't think it's a very romantic Bond film, at least in comparison to OHMSS, TLD and CR, all far more romantic than FRWL. In fact, I'd say FRWL is less romantic than OP or TWINE. In fact, for me FRWL is in many ways an anti-romantic film. Yes, Tanya falls in love, but this is not reciprocated, Bond pretty much pimping himself for Queen and Country. The movie is an exploration of sexual taboos and power dynamics.

    Since Connery opted not to make OHMSS we never really got to see his Bond in an OHMSS/TLD/CR type romance. However I think Tatiana from FRWL and Domino from TB are the two Bond girls he came his 007 came the closest to falling in love with IMHO.

    @Ludovico Interesting points about Bond/Tatiana in FRWL. I think Bond/Kara in TLD is like a more OHMSS/CR romantic type version of that Bond/Tatiana relationship(the girl is a defector from an iron curtain country who is being used by the defecting Soviet military intelligence official and ends up falling for and aiding Bond and switches to his side). Connery's Bond was written more as a ladykiller and Dalton's Bond was written more as a classic romantic leading man so that would explain the variation.

    Yes, there's probably a lot to that. I also think that regardless of Bond's feeling towards Tatiana in FRWL, the whole film is rather cynical and merciless towards love and romantic feelings. Love is a commodity in FRWL. To be traded, used, manipulated. If they want the next Bond to be the anti CR, I think that's the route they need to take.
  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
    Posts: 6,042
    Nice comments for both sides. I do enjoy the romantic side of the films and especially have a soft spot for the earlier efforts.

    Lets move on I was going to do a would you rather based on the actors first film or the actors last film. In other words, would you rather watch Sean in DN or DAF. and as I went through the actors it became clear that for most the first film would be a better watch than their last. Was this a reflection of an actor staying in the role for too long? Or did the quality drop off that much? Were the plots too outlandish by the end of the actors run. For this discussion I am really focusing on Sean, Roger, Pierce and Daniel.

    I then started to think about the length of an actor in the role. Which leads me to the question at hand:

    Would you rather the next fella do 2-3 films OR the next fella do 5-7 films?

    I am keeping this to films as the days of a predictable production schedule seem to be behind us and I am not sure if Amazon is fully committed to a series. They might be seeing what the returns are for the box office they achieve. When you think that films making $590 million are unlikely to make much profit it does shift the landscape.

    Given that, what is the optimal amount of films before we move on to another actor? In the legacy or early films, the role was handed off without "rebooting" or "restarting" the series. Given todays climate and audience expectation that might not play well. Does that impact how many films an actor does?

    Craig's five films took over 10 years to be brought to the screen. If rumours are true it appears that Amazon is casting a younger actor to play the role, does this mean they are looking for a long run from the actor?
  • Posts: 15,995
    Hard to tell before we know who will be cast. It would depend of his age, how well received he is, the quality of the films, etc. 2-3 seems a bit of a too short tenure for me, but 7 is too long.
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
    Posts: 15,320
    Four or five seems good. Sometimes it takes a few films for the era to hit its Bondmania.
  • MSL49MSL49 Finland
    Posts: 423
    Five hit the sweetspot. Not too few like Dalton or too many like Moore.
  • Posts: 8,480
    There was always that 3 picture deal with an option of a 4th, which I think should still suffice!
Sign In or Register to comment.