The theories of Bond films! Is Miss Sylvia Trench really Mrs. Sylvia Trench?

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  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
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    Interesting and plausible thoughts. I always assumed that one, Tracy was telling the truth and didn't know about Che Che being in her room. I also assumed that Che Che was there to lay harm to Bond, which is weird since he had done nothing to show he wanted to harm or hurt Tracy.

    Draco in his monologue to Bond made it seem that Tracy wasn't in touch with him, but if Che Che was indeed assigned to her as a bodyguard that wouldn't be the case. Or am I reading too much into what Draco shares with Bond in their fireside chat?

  • Posts: 15,984
    I always understood that Che Che was sent by Draco as a sort of chaperone, but without her knowledge and consent. "See that my daughter doesn't get under the charm of some beau or gigolo. If you see one of these kinds snooping around, dispose of him accordingly. She may protest for now, but she'll thank me later."
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    They must have seen her try to kill herself then? Were they just beaten to getting there by Bond?
  • SIS_HQSIS_HQ At the Vauxhall Headquarters
    edited August 9 Posts: 4,083
    thedove wrote: »
    Interesting and plausible thoughts. I always assumed that one, Tracy was telling the truth and didn't know about Che Che being in her room. I also assumed that Che Che was there to lay harm to Bond, which is weird since he had done nothing to show he wanted to harm or hurt Tracy.

    Draco in his monologue to Bond made it seem that Tracy wasn't in touch with him, but if Che Che was indeed assigned to her as a bodyguard that wouldn't be the case. Or am I reading too much into what Draco shares with Bond in their fireside chat?

    Draco's men seemed to be in a bit of a confusing situation, really 😅.

    Remember, we haven't taken into an account here of what are they doing in the beach, if they're there to save Tracy, why put a knife on her neck? Why threatened her more? Then when Bond fought them, they've just ignored Tracy at one side, and Che Che was also in the beach scene.

    Maybe I could understand Che Che's motivations more the next time I rewatch OHMSS again.
  • Posts: 15,984
    I still think Che Che was chaperoning her. He saw Bond, knew exactly why he was there, acted according to his instructions, thinking Bond was some kind of male gold digger (is there a word for that?).
  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
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    I don't think there is, when I did a quick search I got gigolo and fortune-hunter but I don't think capture what you are saying as well as gold digger.

    Yeah I have often thought the beach sequence was really done for cinematic reasons. Tracy would know the men that Draco sent. The men wouldn't treat her so roughly or risk her complaining to Draco. That whole scene is really designed to get Bond into some action and to set up Tracy being a troubled soul.
  • SIS_HQSIS_HQ At the Vauxhall Headquarters
    edited August 10 Posts: 4,083
    thedove wrote: »
    I don't think there is, when I did a quick search I got gigolo and fortune-hunter but I don't think capture what you are saying as well as gold digger.

    Yeah I have often thought the beach sequence was really done for cinematic reasons. Tracy would know the men that Draco sent. The men wouldn't treat her so roughly or risk her complaining to Draco. That whole scene is really designed to get Bond into some action and to set up Tracy being a troubled soul.

    Seen OHMSS again (after all of the debates about Lazenby and the talks of this film), I think it helped me re evaluate the film more, I still liked it, but the actions of Draco's men in the beach just didn't makes sense, still why threatened her of putting a knife on her neck if they're there to guard her and protect her? True, it's mostly done for cinematic reasons and for Lazenby to showcase his fighting skills, but in narrative, just didn't makes sense at all.

    It could've been better had they've threatened Bond not to come to Tracy and that's where the action starts.

    It all made Che Che's presence in Tracy's room all the more confusing because he was there in the beach, I think Draco was somewhat in touch with Tracy through his men watching her, but it's Tracy who was not in touch with her father, so I would've bought Che Che as a bodyguard, if that beach scene turned out differently, but they've threatened Tracy and put a knife on her neck, maybe Che Che was threatening Tracy that's why Tracy had a gun when she welcomed Bond? Because Tracy might've thought that Bond was probably another of Draco's men who's out for her?

    Like why Tracy aimed a gun at Bond, knowing that this was the same man who have saved her in the beach? She even knew his name, maybe Tracy thought that Draco sent him, and Che Che was there to threatened Tracy (maybe to return back to Draco?) But Tracy threatened Che Che with a gun, and when Bond arrived, Che Che was already on his way out, thinking of him as threat because of the beach scene, the two had a fight again?
  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
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    Maybe this theory raised more questions than it answered. Great job with the different thoughts that were shared here.

    Here is one that was recently brought to my attention and for this one we are going back to DN.

    Bond meets Sylvia Trench at the casino. Some mild flirting ensues and soon Bond is giving Miss Trench his business card. Though if one looks closely we will see that Miss Trench might actually be Mrs. Trench. Yes a diamond on the third finger of her left hand.

    What is our theory here?

    What is your theory is Miss Sylvia Trench really Mrs. Sylvia Trench?

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    Some actors and actresses refuse to take off their wedding bands. I suppose Eunice Grayson may have been married and that ring may have been her wedding ring. Or do we think the backstory of Sylvia Trench is that she is a married woman looking for some fun?

    If she is married what is she doing at a casino in the wee hours of the morning flirting with a stranger?
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Never spotted that, interesting. More like an engagement ring you'd think.
    It'd fit with Bond's predilection for married women.
  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
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    mtm wrote: »
    Never spotted that, interesting. More like an engagement ring you'd think.
    It'd fit with Bond's predilection for married women.

    Yes it might be just an engagement ring, which would leave her in a grey area? Or once engaged you are basically betrothed?
  • Sylvia Trench probably met a very rich man who promised to bankroll her gambling fun. They decided to get married for image's sake. For some fun before her marriage, Trench decided to enjoy Bond's company.

    Trench disappeared after FRWL because upon their marriage, her husband's business moved them to some other country (for tax benefits or something). That explains why she was so desperate for Bond's company in that scene (it would be her last time seeing him).

    As for real life, Eunice Gayson was between marriages at this point (divorce in 1959, and another marriage in 1968). 6/7 years would be quite a long time to be engaged, but I don't know enough to rule out the fact that it was hers (could have been an engagement broken off in the between period for example)
  • Posts: 15,984
    mtm wrote: »
    Never spotted that, interesting. More like an engagement ring you'd think.
    It'd fit with Bond's predilection for married women.

    Yes, I'd easily buy that. She's engaged, but doesn't mind playing the field. She might not seriously think she'll marry her betrothed, but she likes to lead him on.

    Maybe she did marry him in the end, between the events of FRWL and GF. Hence her disappearance.
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
    edited 8:43pm Posts: 14,658
    Yeah like @mtm said.

    Ms. Trench is Bond's type. Single.

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