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Would you rather have the next film match the tone of TLD OR GE?

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  • LudovicoLudovico
    edited August 5 Posts: 15,957
    GE, easily. Not only because I prefer it as a movie, but because it's a more successful movie. And the next Bond needs a GE, not a TLD.
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
    Posts: 14,637
    TLD. With a stronger villain, more threatening villain's caper, and a bigger ending.

    Adventurous and fun. And the drama can come from the Bond Girl or another character, rather than Bond's own history.

  • Last_Rat_StandingLast_Rat_Standing Long Neck Ice Cold Beer Never Broke My Heart
    Posts: 4,759
    GE. I feel that it was a harder reboot than TLD and that's what I feel is needed now
  • 007ClassicBondFan007ClassicBondFan
    Posts: 2,634
    The two aren’t really dissimilar from each other in tone are they?
  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
    Posts: 6,015
    There are similarities between the two @007ClassicBondFan but I think they were going for a different tone. TLD has more of a romantic feel as there is really only Kara has a female character. The film has scenes that are meant to develop characters. I think of the fair scenes with Kara and the Ferris Wheel, the death of Saunders and the comedy of Bond winning at the shooting games. GE to me has more action and more "set pieces" the tank chase, the big stunt at the beginning, the whole dish sequence. I am not sure if anything in TLD touches on the scale of GE.

    I'd dare say that the budget of GE is on the screen. I think the film looks more expensive than it was. TLD to me was the last true classic Bond adventure. Barry supplying his last soundtrack, a script that has the tropes of Bond but freshens them up, so while Bond dons the tux it isn't for a casino sequence.
  • BT3366BT3366
    Posts: 1,975
    TLD. It was such a refreshing take on Bond back in '87. It was what I wanted and still want out of a Bond film.

    Although GE was the big presentation after the 6-year gap, it just didn't satisfy the way TLD did. After two Dalton films that were more Fleming-based, we're back to more of what would please the widest audience: the space hardware manipulated by a disfigured villain, another renegade Russian general, an outrageous henchwoman and on top of that there were of all the updates for the time that got the film off to such a slow start.
  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Per ora e per il momento che verrà
    Posts: 7,715
    Either is fine. I don't think they are that different in tone. Both mix serious aspects with a bit of humour.
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
    Posts: 15,302
    Both definitely close in tone, but GE has a bit more fantasy. Gonna go with TLD just because of the stronger espionage angle and intricate plot.
  • SIS_HQSIS_HQ At the Vauxhall Headquarters
    Posts: 4,057
    Goldeneye would be my pick to introduce the new Bond.

    TLD was more like of being unsure about who will actually play the part (whether continuing the direction where Moore had left off, or change the tone entirely, funnily enough, Brosnan was considered for TLD), while playing it safe with all the tropes present in, but as a result, it came off as convoluted, quite confused of which tone it would play.

    Meanwhile, GE have managed to balanced the tone more between seriousness, drama, and Cold War Thriller, while keeping the elements that made Bond special, it's the 'certain' debut Bond film of the two.

    And like Judi Dench M said: "I miss the Cold War", it's been overdue.
  • 007HallY007HallY
    edited 12:04pm Posts: 5,692
    They’re not miles away from each other in many ways, especially in terms of story similarities (GE has a lot of roots in the Dalton era). That said I’ve never been TLD’s biggest admirer, as much as I enjoy it. The villains are generally weak, some of it feels underbaked (Leiter’s inclusion, Kara etc), and in terms of atmosphere/tone it’s not quite as impactful for me as GE.

    GE is a much more mature Bond film in my opinion. You get this wonderful blend of darkness, sadistic violence, and grittiness, mixed with the usual humour and outlandishness of Bond. Cinematography wise it’s more atmospheric, and as others have said its budget is clearly onscreen. It just feels more like what I’d expect from a modern Bond film.

    That said I hope the score of the next film will be more TLD than GE!
  • Jordo007Jordo007 Merseyside
    Posts: 2,837
    I love both films so much. Maybe if it was like the first hour of Daylights, with the freshness of Goldeneye
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