The James Bond Questions Thread

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  • Archangel007Archangel007 United States
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    Here is a question I have that may have been answered before somewhere on this forum so forgive my ignorance.

    Why haven't we seen the screentests for the previous actors who tried out for Bond? This applies to those who were cast as Bond and those who weren't. I know some may not have screen tested, for others we've seen snippets (like James Brolin and Sam Neill).

    For Brosnan we've seen a few pics from the first time he was up for it. With Craig, we've seen quick glimpses of his test.

    However, it seems like EON has been sitting on all the footage of these tests but they've never been released. Why? Is it a rights issue?
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    Here is a question I have that may have been answered before somewhere on this forum so forgive my ignorance.

    Why haven't we seen the screentests for the previous actors who tried out for Bond? This applies to those who were cast as Bond and those who weren't. I know some may not have screen tested, for others we've seen snippets (like James Brolin and Sam Neill).

    For Brosnan we've seen a few pics from the first time he was up for it. With Craig, we've seen quick glimpses of his test.

    However, it seems like EON has been sitting on all the footage of these tests but they've never been released. Why? Is it a rights issue?

    Usually the actors don't want these screen tests out there - if its a poor screen test for example. Plus I suspect EoN didnt want to find themselves in a position where their pick for Bond was potentially being unfavorably compared to someone on a screen test.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited July 21 Posts: 18,640
    Yeah I think it might be seen as bad form in a way; folks don't necessarily want their failures out there.

    I think it's interesting that we've never seen any of the winning actors' tests apart from photos, I guess the closest is the quick behind the scenes clips of Craig's one we saw on that doco. I wonder if it's because they were early sketches of the character and might jar a bit with the versions we saw in the films? Or maybe it's just a pure contractual thing: they'd need to be paid for their performances to be released and their film contracts are already quite complicated and it might not be worth the legal hassle?
  • edited July 21 Posts: 5,644
    mtm wrote: »
    Yeah I think it might be seen as bad form in a way; folks don't necessarily want their failures out there.

    I think it's interesting that we've never seen any of the winning actors' tests apart from photos, I guess the closest is the quick behind the scenes clips of Craig's one we saw on that doco. I wonder if it's because they were early sketches of the character and might jar a bit with the versions we saw in the films? Or maybe it's just a pure contractual thing: they'd need to be paid for their performances to be released and their film contracts are already quite complicated and it might not be worth the legal hassle?

    I’m pretty sure Connery and Moore didn’t audition so that’ll be the reason we didn’t get anything from them. Maybe there’s a chance any test footage with Lazenby, Dalton, or Brosnan doesn’t actually exist anymore beyond set photos? There would have been little reason to actually show them publicly before DVDs anyway. These bits of film are easy to lose and even if archived they may have been destroyed to make space before the late 90s/2000s. Or they were just misplaced or deteriorated or whatever.

    Generally though I guess it’s a combination of all those. If these screencasts do get released it’s generally many years after, and either it’s a case where they’ve survived/been preserved out of cinematic interest, or they’ve been found/were held by a third party and released by them (as seems to be the case with the 2005 auditions).
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    I guess it's possible, but Eon always seemed to be pretty efficient with their archiving of that stuff (not least it's handy to check if you need to hire the same actor for the next film), I feel like it's more likely a choice that Sam Neill's is out there whilst Brosnan and Dalton's have only been seen in photo form.
  • edited July 21 Posts: 5,644
    mtm wrote: »
    I guess it's possible, but Eon always seemed to be pretty efficient with their archiving of that stuff (not least it's handy to check if you need to hire the same actor for the next film), I feel like it's more likely a choice that Sam Neill's is out there whilst Brosnan and Dalton's have only been seen in photo form.

    I’m guessing when they did those earlier screen-tests the idea of archiving them specifically for cinematic or public interest wouldn’t have been as major a factor as it is today. So I can easily imagine not everything surviving, or at least fully. I guess it’s also worth asking where the footage for, say, that Neill audition came from (was it archived directly by/at EON as a policy, or was it found through an individual who’d kept it maybe even by chance? ie - maybe it was kept by the casting director or one of the producers and acquired that way? Or even a third party. Might not be the case but it happens). But ultimately I don’t know and obviously some of these Bond auditions still exist or have been preserved. I’d be surprised if EON had an archive with every potential Bond audition from 1962 to now. Past a point I’m sure they have a lot though. But yeah, I think it’s a combination of all those things.
  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
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    Interesting that we see a whole lot of the Brolin screen tests for OP. One wonders if the Gavin tests exist somewhere as he was also hired for the role before Connery was coaxed back.

    I can see why the actors wouldn't want them released. That being said I just saw a whole lot of Luke screen tests for Star Wars. The Office released screen tests for Dwight and Jim (US version).
  • Archangel007Archangel007 United States
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    Thank you all for giving possible reasons.
    thedove wrote: »
    That being said I just saw a whole lot of Luke screen tests for Star Wars. The Office released screen tests for Dwight and Jim (US version).

    I think mtm may be correct that, if the footage is out there, the contracts at the time of the tests meant that the actor(s) had final say whether it could be released. Maybe Neill's agreement for his screentest didn't include this verbiage.

    I think the productions during the DVD era and beyond have probably included contracts that largely allow the studios to release the footage. One thing's for sure, we've been able to see a bunch of auditions for Bond that took place in the mid 2000s before Craig was chosen. I don't know the source of those or if those came out on a DVD somewhere.
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    Thank you all for giving possible reasons.
    thedove wrote: »
    That being said I just saw a whole lot of Luke screen tests for Star Wars. The Office released screen tests for Dwight and Jim (US version).

    I think mtm may be correct that, if the footage is out there, the contracts at the time of the tests meant that the actor(s) had final say whether it could be released. Maybe Neill's agreement for his screentest didn't include this verbiage.

    I think the productions during the DVD era and beyond have probably included contracts that largely allow the studios to release the footage. One thing's for sure, we've been able to see a bunch of auditions for Bond that took place in the mid 2000s before Craig was chosen. I don't know the source of those or if those came out on a DVD somewhere.

    From what I understand they were released on YouTube by someone who’d found or acquired the VHS tape with those 2005 auditions on them. I don’t know how they got it (I think the guy who posted them may have worked in the film industry in some form? It wasn’t released on any documentary or special feature at any rate).
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    007HallY wrote: »
    Thank you all for giving possible reasons.
    thedove wrote: »
    That being said I just saw a whole lot of Luke screen tests for Star Wars. The Office released screen tests for Dwight and Jim (US version).

    I think mtm may be correct that, if the footage is out there, the contracts at the time of the tests meant that the actor(s) had final say whether it could be released. Maybe Neill's agreement for his screentest didn't include this verbiage.

    I think the productions during the DVD era and beyond have probably included contracts that largely allow the studios to release the footage. One thing's for sure, we've been able to see a bunch of auditions for Bond that took place in the mid 2000s before Craig was chosen. I don't know the source of those or if those came out on a DVD somewhere.

    From what I understand they were released on YouTube by someone who’d found or acquired the VHS tape with those 2005 auditions on them. I don’t know how they got it (I think the guy who posted them may have worked in the film industry in some form? It wasn’t released on any documentary or special feature at any rate).

    I remember at the time of CR there was a group of fans on CommanderBond.net who had seen the auditions, so I think it's been floating around on the quiet since then.
  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
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    So who does Brolins screen tests all get out? A leak or EON releasing it? Are we saying that back in the day auditions were fair game and could be used without an actors permission and now the actor must allow them to be released?
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    thedove wrote: »
    So who does Brolins screen tests all get out? A leak or EON releasing it? Are we saying that back in the day auditions were fair game and could be used without an actors permission and now the actor must allow them to be released?

    I dont know - maybe they asked him and he was happy for it to be seen.
  • edited July 22 Posts: 5,644
    mtm wrote: »
    007HallY wrote: »
    Thank you all for giving possible reasons.
    thedove wrote: »
    That being said I just saw a whole lot of Luke screen tests for Star Wars. The Office released screen tests for Dwight and Jim (US version).

    I think mtm may be correct that, if the footage is out there, the contracts at the time of the tests meant that the actor(s) had final say whether it could be released. Maybe Neill's agreement for his screentest didn't include this verbiage.

    I think the productions during the DVD era and beyond have probably included contracts that largely allow the studios to release the footage. One thing's for sure, we've been able to see a bunch of auditions for Bond that took place in the mid 2000s before Craig was chosen. I don't know the source of those or if those came out on a DVD somewhere.

    From what I understand they were released on YouTube by someone who’d found or acquired the VHS tape with those 2005 auditions on them. I don’t know how they got it (I think the guy who posted them may have worked in the film industry in some form? It wasn’t released on any documentary or special feature at any rate).

    I remember at the time of CR there was a group of fans on CommanderBond.net who had seen the auditions, so I think it's been floating around on the quiet since then.

    Oh wow, surprised those auditions stayed under for that long if that's the case! They're a cool find though, and obviously it's nice they've been released after Craig's run. An interesting bit of Bond history.
    thedove wrote: »
    So who does Brolins screen tests all get out? A leak or EON releasing it? Are we saying that back in the day auditions were fair game and could be used without an actors permission and now the actor must allow them to be released?

    I think it came out on the Octopussy Blu Ray release. Brolin even did an interview specifically for it. If he was fine with that and agreed I guess they thought it interesting to include. It was so long I guess it's a piece of history really, and Brolin probably doesn't care. Frankly it all makes him look quite good.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited July 23 Posts: 18,640
    007HallY wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    007HallY wrote: »
    Thank you all for giving possible reasons.
    thedove wrote: »
    That being said I just saw a whole lot of Luke screen tests for Star Wars. The Office released screen tests for Dwight and Jim (US version).

    I think mtm may be correct that, if the footage is out there, the contracts at the time of the tests meant that the actor(s) had final say whether it could be released. Maybe Neill's agreement for his screentest didn't include this verbiage.

    I think the productions during the DVD era and beyond have probably included contracts that largely allow the studios to release the footage. One thing's for sure, we've been able to see a bunch of auditions for Bond that took place in the mid 2000s before Craig was chosen. I don't know the source of those or if those came out on a DVD somewhere.

    From what I understand they were released on YouTube by someone who’d found or acquired the VHS tape with those 2005 auditions on them. I don’t know how they got it (I think the guy who posted them may have worked in the film industry in some form? It wasn’t released on any documentary or special feature at any rate).

    I remember at the time of CR there was a group of fans on CommanderBond.net who had seen the auditions, so I think it's been floating around on the quiet since then.

    Oh wow, surprised those auditions stayed under for that long if that's the case! They're a cool find though, and obviously it's nice they've been released after Craig's run. An interesting bit of Bond history.

    Yeah I do wonder why Craig wasn't in there. I remember he said he flew over from the US to do the screentest so maybe he didn't do one of those line readings? Or is there a reason his was left out? It would have been fascinating to see him do the GoldenEye scene as it's not really how his Bond was written (maybe by the casino scene in Skyfall he's more at that point). In a way it's kind of a questionable choice of scene to test out actors for Casino Royale as the character maybe wasn't quite like that in the film.
  • edited July 23 Posts: 5,644
    mtm wrote: »
    007HallY wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    007HallY wrote: »
    Thank you all for giving possible reasons.
    thedove wrote: »
    That being said I just saw a whole lot of Luke screen tests for Star Wars. The Office released screen tests for Dwight and Jim (US version).

    I think mtm may be correct that, if the footage is out there, the contracts at the time of the tests meant that the actor(s) had final say whether it could be released. Maybe Neill's agreement for his screentest didn't include this verbiage.

    I think the productions during the DVD era and beyond have probably included contracts that largely allow the studios to release the footage. One thing's for sure, we've been able to see a bunch of auditions for Bond that took place in the mid 2000s before Craig was chosen. I don't know the source of those or if those came out on a DVD somewhere.

    From what I understand they were released on YouTube by someone who’d found or acquired the VHS tape with those 2005 auditions on them. I don’t know how they got it (I think the guy who posted them may have worked in the film industry in some form? It wasn’t released on any documentary or special feature at any rate).

    I remember at the time of CR there was a group of fans on CommanderBond.net who had seen the auditions, so I think it's been floating around on the quiet since then.

    Oh wow, surprised those auditions stayed under for that long if that's the case! They're a cool find though, and obviously it's nice they've been released after Craig's run. An interesting bit of Bond history.

    Yeah I do wonder why Craig wasn't in there. I remember he said he flew over from the US to do the screentest so maybe he didn't do one of those line readings? Or is there a reason his was left out? It would have been fascinating to see him do the GoldenEye scene as it's not really how his Bond was written (maybe by the casino scene in Skyfall he's more at that point). In a way it's kind of a questionable choice of scene to test out actors for Casino Royale as the character maybe wasn't quite like that in the film.

    Those line readings would be early ones designed to narrow down actors. I suspect they did more of those, possibly with actors none of us would not recognise today (they supposedly had about 200 potentials at one point and obviously you can’t spend money doing proper screentests for all of them, especially if many were young, untested, and little known). Using an old script is easy and gives them an idea of what they would naturally bring to Bond. Broccoli and co obviously had their eye on Craig prior, and he was a more established actor than the ones in the tape were at the time. They probably even noted Craig’s performances in Layer Cake and Tomb Raider which were pretty Bondian. Basically there wouldn’t be any reason to narrow him down in the same way, and I’m sure some other actors would have been in the same boat. So he went straight to screentests from what I understand.

    I can definitely imagine Craig doing well with that reading though.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Good point, yeah; he probably didn't do that video test thing.
  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
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    I would love to see the Gavin ones. I still scratch my head on what Cubby and Harry saw in that actor to give him the role. I can see the look of Bond but his acting wasn't exactly top tier.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited July 24 Posts: 18,640
    Considering how wrong they seemed to get it with some of those other choices that almost made it (and Lazenby, let's face it) I feel like we got incredibly lucky they went for Connery and Moore!
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
    edited July 24 Posts: 18,848
    mtm wrote: »
    Considering how wrong they seemed to get it with some of those other choices that almost made it (and Lazenby, let's face it) I feel like we got incredibly lucky they went for Connery and Moore!

    I feel like in most cases they had one actor they thought was ideal and a perfect fit for the Bond role and then there were the second-bests and the also-rans.
  • PropertyOfALadyPropertyOfALady Colders Federation CEO
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    Anyone know who this painting is?

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  • If I had to guess I'd say a past governor of Jamaica. I don't know for sure though. Could also be the monarch when Jamaica was first colonised or something but far lower chances of that.
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
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    If I had to guess I'd say a past governor of Jamaica. I don't know for sure though. Could also be the monarch when Jamaica was first colonised or something but far lower chances of that.

    That's what I was thinking too.
  • SIS_HQSIS_HQ At the Vauxhall Headquarters
    edited July 28 Posts: 4,027
    In the books, if Bond lost his memory in TMWTGG and was reprogrammed to his old self like he was in Casino Royale, then how in continuation books did he referenced Tracy? With some few of Gardners (I've only read Scorpius, Never Send Flowers, SeaFire and Cold) and Benson (His Union Trilogy) I've only read, did any of the continuation books have explained how his memories returned?
    Or this was just really a plot hole?

    Bond referenced Tracy in Scorpius (as he saw Harriet Horner walking at the altar in that sham marriage) and recognized Draco in NDOD.

    Because if they're trying to step away from Fleming's timeline, then they shouldn't referenced anything from his books like Tracy and Draco, meaning, they're still trying to connect their versions of Bonds to the Fleming timeline, but then so, Bond had gone Amnesiac and was reprogrammed two times by KGB and MI6, before rebooting back to his old self (TMWTGG felt almost like a restart again with new adventures probably Fleming had in mind if not for his sudden death), so did he have this sort of sudden return of his memories or what?

    Advance thank you for the answers/help. 😊
  • edited July 28 Posts: 5,644
    SIS_HQ wrote: »
    In the books, if Bond lost his memory in TMWTGG and was reprogrammed to his old self like he was in Casino Royale, then how in continuation books did he referenced Tracy? With some few of Gardners (I've only read Scorpius, Never Send Flowers, SeaFire and Cold) and Benson (His Union Trilogy) I've only read, did any of the continuation books have explained how his memories returned?
    Or this was just really a plot hole?

    Bond referenced Tracy in Scorpius (as he saw Harriet Horner walking at the altar in that sham marriage) and recognized Draco in NDOD.

    Because if they're trying to step away from Fleming's timeline, then they shouldn't referenced anything from his books like Tracy and Draco, meaning, they're still trying to connect their versions of Bonds to the Fleming timeline, but then so, Bond had gone Amnesiac and was reprogrammed two times by KGB and MI6, before rebooting back to his old self (TMWTGG felt almost like a restart again with new adventures probably Fleming had in mind if not for his sudden death), so did he have this sort of sudden return of his memories or what?

    Advance thank you for the answers/help. 😊

    I suppose the way to think of Bond's amnesia is a more 'plausible' version of when you see cartoon characters (or characters from Screwball comedies) getting hit on the head and losing their memories. They of course can get hit on the head again and the memories will return intact. The latter is the way to think of the brainwashing/reprogramming. Bond's memories came back after he got captured by the KGB. I believe they told him, and gave him that 'bonk' on the head. The rest is some vague process of brainwashing and behavioural stuff that's never elaborated on in much detail but leads to him attempting to assassinate M (the specifics don't matter much in all honesty. It's implied he was susceptible to the brainwashing because he'd just recovered his memories and was quite vulnerable I suppose). After that MI6 reprogram him and the mechanics of this are left even more vague (would probably have liked to read more on that to be honest, but it doesn't matter much either).

    But essentially he's got his memories once the Russians get him. With A Mind To Kill goes into some detail about the brainwashing and reprogramming. But I wasn't a fan of that novel to be completely honest, and I found it gets a bit silly at points (because y'know, brainwashing and amnesia are pretty silly/cliched ideas, although Fleming puts his own spin on it and executes it very well).
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited July 28 Posts: 18,640
    I think Bourne is as close to doing that believably as you can do; in the films it's clear his mind has been stretched to breaking point from his abusive training and drugs etc. so it makes amnesia a bit easier to swallow; plus it's kind of the point of the character: the film has been made to explore the 'what if' idea that an assassin lost his memory. But I think if Bond, an already established character, got a bonk on the head and forgot who he was it would go down even worse with the audience than Blofeld being his foster brother.
    P&W said they did explore using the brainwashed Bond assassinating M plot for SF but decided against it, which I think was for the best.
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