Superman: The Man of Tomorrow

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  • edited July 23 Posts: 5,638
    Mathis1 wrote: »
    Just got out of the cinema after watching Superman, it was ok.

    Saw it yesterday, agree, just ok! I'm more of a Batman fan anyway! 😁

    After some more thought Superman 2025 felt like a pilot episode to a new show, often when you watch the old style TV pilots you know the script probably needed a few more drafts, they haven't quite got everything right yet and things would likely improve as the show progressed.

    I think when I have watched Superman 2025 at home a few more times I will enjoy it more.

    It’s a film that’s very consciously setting up things to come in this new DCU era. I think for a portion of viewers how well it works depends on how invested you are in that (I know people who were expecting more of a standalone Superman film and found this one a bit odd in that way). I can definitely understand that point about this movie feeling like a tv pilot that’ll be developed as things continue. It’s not a film I’ll revisit soon, but further down the line. Not sure what’s coming with these DC films, but it might be a bit of a Marvel situation for me - unfortunately there are going to be a few of these films I have no interest in and won’t go out of my way to watch.

    Anyway, one thing I’ve noticed about this film is its success and hype seem to be much more apparent in the US (so domestically) than elsewhere. Maybe Superman isn’t quite as big as, say, Batman on a larger scale, but in my personal expirience this film doesn’t seem quite as big a deal here (the UK that is). I know some people who’ve seen it, but not as many as I noticed with previous film releases the last few years, and I’ve found it hasn’t quite drawn that same level of excitement compared to, say, Top Gun 2, Barbenheimer, Deadpool vs Wolverine, or The Batman. It’s actually surprised me. Maybe that’s not everyone’s experience though so don’t know how off I am with that assessment.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    Superman has not traditionally been as big of a draw as other superheroes in the international market. So far the film has legs, even internationally it’s not seeing a big drop off on its second week. We won’t really know what that means for Superman let alone DC until we see later films perform. So far they seem to be taking baby steps, not putting out three films a year like Marvel. The only green lit films are SUPERGIRL and CLAYFACE for 2026, and then THE BATMAN: PART II for 2027, and that’s more of an elseworlds movie rather than set in the same universe. According to Gunn, no movie gets green lit without a finished script.
  • edited July 23 Posts: 5,638
    Yes, I suppose. I mean, I think this film will be a modest success overall, but a success nonetheless (if it isn’t already). I do get the sense expectations for this films were a bit raised and may not have panned out as well as some viewers thought (again, might just be me - this film caught me off guard a bit). But ultimately I guess its measure of success was kickstarting a new DC world with a decent instalment, not making 800 + million overall or outperforming whichever film financially or critically. So yeah, it’s more or less done that and has done well.

    Hmm, it’s tricky to say at the moment how a Supergirl or Clayface film will turn out here… quite odd choices to follow up Superman with in many ways. In other ways I guess it makes sense as financially and creatively the bar isn’t as high with those. Make really good films out of them that gets viewers interested and that’s a positive. I guess they don’t want to put up a new Batman in the same year as Pattinson’s follow up as well (which I’m really looking forward to, and I suspect they’ll be keen to get that one out).
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
    edited July 23 Posts: 26,160
    When Superman
    was being drowned by nanobots I was hoping that to get rid of them he was going to fly
    into the sun.
  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
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    I would be less likely to go watch the follow up to Superman if Gunn writes or directs. This is odd to me as I really love GoG and GoG Volume 3. Did I not enjoy this film because it is setting up a universe? Maybe. At times the film felt like Superman wasn't the main character. A bit like Civil War I guess, but that one was in the middle of the series and it made sense for the other characters to be in it. I am trying to imagine Iron Man with some Avengers in it. It would take away from the story, the post credit did a great job of building excitement to the next films.

    I also realize I am no longer the key demo that these films are marketed to. I was pleased that my son felt the same as me. LOL! I didn't hate the film, I don't think the film sucks. I was disappointed in it, I was expecting a better movie than what I saw.

    I didn't know that Supergirl and Clayface are next up. Not being familiar with the comics I was taken aback to see a drunk, blunt talking Supergirl. The teaser photo for the film indicates that this tone will continue. I am curious what the story is with her and whether her cousin will show up. Clayface is an interesting villain, can I see a whole film about him? I only remember him in the animated series and while it had a good back story I am not sure a whole film can work.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    When Superman
    was being drowned by nanobots I was hoping that to get rid of them he was going to fly
    into the sun.

    This is definitely not a Superman that’s gonna be pushing the moon off its axis.
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
    edited July 23 Posts: 26,160
    When Superman
    was being drowned by nanobots I was hoping that to get rid of them he was going to fly
    into the sun.

    This is definitely not a Superman that’s gonna be pushing the moon off its axis.

    Flying into the sun is not much of a stretch, though this Superman is clearly depowered.

    @thedove it did cross my mind leaving the cinema is Gunn a bad fit for Superman, and questioned whether DC has made a huge mistake, time will tell I will remain open minded for now.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    Given that he delivered the best Superman film in 45 years, I disagree that he was wrong for Superman. He nailed the characterization.

    However, I can agree that Gunn’s actually more suitable doing anti-heroes like THE SUICIDE SQUAD and PEACEMAKER. I look forward to S2 next month. I love how he’s able to take such obscure characters like Polkadot Man and make a memorable character.
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
    edited July 23 Posts: 26,160
    Given that he delivered the best Superman film in 45 years, I disagree that he was wrong for Superman. He nailed the characterization.

    However, I can agree that Gunn’s actually more suitable doing anti-heroes like THE SUICIDE SQUAD and PEACEMAKER. I look forward to S2 next month. I love how he’s able to take such obscure characters like Polkadot Man and make a memorable character.

    Corenswet was very good can't argue with that, there were still element of a more naive Superman more like a year 1 then a year 3. Comparing Superman 2025 to MoS overall MoS is better for me.

    I often defended the Snyder films saying they are elseworlds so I have to apply that to Gunn's films also, its a different take.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    For me this is the definitive edit of MOS. Always cracks me up watching it.



    “Are you effin’ stupid?!”
    “I grew up in Kansas, General.”
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
    edited July 23 Posts: 26,160
    For me this is the definitive edit of MOS. Always cracks me up watching it.



    “Are you effin’ stupid?!”
    “I grew up in Kansas, General.”

    Gunn = Punk Rock
    Snyder = Heavy Metal
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
    edited July 23 Posts: 8,818
    Donner = Prog Rock
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
    edited July 23 Posts: 26,160
    Donner = Prog Rock

    Prog and Metal my favorite genres in music.

    Lester = vaudeville/music hall
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    Donner = Prog Rock

    Prog and Metal my favorite genres in music.

    Lester = vaudeville/music hall

    Then Sidney J. Fury = elevator muzak?
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    IV is more like hair metal given Nuclear Man’s teased hair and outfit.

  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
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    Given that he delivered the best Superman film in 45 years, I disagree that he was wrong for Superman. He nailed the characterization.

    However, I can agree that Gunn’s actually more suitable doing anti-heroes like THE SUICIDE SQUAD and PEACEMAKER. I look forward to S2 next month. I love how he’s able to take such obscure characters like Polkadot Man and make a memorable character.

    I think you forgot to add "In my opinion" to the start of this post. Believe it or not some people can feel differently. Your definition of nailed and mine are different. Which makes the world go around. I am hoping he steps back and lets others have a shot at making a Superman movie.
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
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    DarthDimi wrote: »
    Donner = Prog Rock

    Prog and Metal my favorite genres in music.

    Lester = vaudeville/music hall

    Then Sidney J. Fury = elevator muzak?

    Or glam rock.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    DarthDimi wrote: »
    Donner = Prog Rock

    Prog and Metal my favorite genres in music.

    Lester = vaudeville/music hall

    Then Sidney J. Fury = elevator muzak?

    Or glam rock.

    Good one! 😄
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    thedove wrote: »
    Given that he delivered the best Superman film in 45 years, I disagree that he was wrong for Superman. He nailed the characterization.

    However, I can agree that Gunn’s actually more suitable doing anti-heroes like THE SUICIDE SQUAD and PEACEMAKER. I look forward to S2 next month. I love how he’s able to take such obscure characters like Polkadot Man and make a memorable character.

    I think you forgot to add "In my opinion" to the start of this post. Believe it or not some people can feel differently. Your definition of nailed and mine are different. Which makes the world go around. I am hoping he steps back and lets others have a shot at making a Superman movie.

    I literally say in my post “I disagree”.
  • DaltonforyouDaltonforyou The Daltonator
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    thedove wrote: »
    I would be less likely to go watch the follow up to Superman if Gunn writes or directs. This is odd to me as I really love GoG and GoG Volume 3. Did I not enjoy this film because it is setting up a universe? Maybe. At times the film felt like Superman wasn't the main character. A bit like Civil War I guess, but that one was in the middle of the series and it made sense for the other characters to be in it. I am trying to imagine Iron Man with some Avengers in it. It would take away from the story, the post credit did a great job of building excitement to the next films.

    I also realize I am no longer the key demo that these films are marketed to. I was pleased that my son felt the same as me. LOL! I didn't hate the film, I don't think the film sucks. I was disappointed in it, I was expecting a better movie than what I saw.

    I didn't know that Supergirl and Clayface are next up. Not being familiar with the comics I was taken aback to see a drunk, blunt talking Supergirl. The teaser photo for the film indicates that this tone will continue. I am curious what the story is with her and whether her cousin will show up. Clayface is an interesting villain, can I see a whole film about him? I only remember him in the animated series and while it had a good back story I am not sure a whole film can work.

    Indeed, They're trying way too hard to make threads for sequels with different characters. In the first Iron Man, you had Nick Fury at the end and that was it.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
    edited July 23 Posts: 8,818
    The only actual set up in SUPERMAN ‘25 is the bit with
    Supergirl taking back Krypto.
    Otherwise the movie functions as a standalone story. There’s nothing else to really point to where Superman or other DC projects will go. Even the post-credits serve more as cute character moments rather than as teases for future films.
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    thedove wrote: »
    I would be less likely to go watch the follow up to Superman if Gunn writes or directs. This is odd to me as I really love GoG and GoG Volume 3. Did I not enjoy this film because it is setting up a universe? Maybe. At times the film felt like Superman wasn't the main character. A bit like Civil War I guess, but that one was in the middle of the series and it made sense for the other characters to be in it. I am trying to imagine Iron Man with some Avengers in it. It would take away from the story, the post credit did a great job of building excitement to the next films.

    I also realize I am no longer the key demo that these films are marketed to. I was pleased that my son felt the same as me. LOL! I didn't hate the film, I don't think the film sucks. I was disappointed in it, I was expecting a better movie than what I saw.

    I didn't know that Supergirl and Clayface are next up. Not being familiar with the comics I was taken aback to see a drunk, blunt talking Supergirl. The teaser photo for the film indicates that this tone will continue. I am curious what the story is with her and whether her cousin will show up. Clayface is an interesting villain, can I see a whole film about him? I only remember him in the animated series and while it had a good back story I am not sure a whole film can work.

    Indeed, They're trying way too hard to make threads for sequels with different characters. In the first Iron Man, you had Nick Fury at the end and that was it.

    Everything with Coulson? Rhodes looking at the Iron Man suits and going "next time, baby"? All the teasing of the Ten Rings? And even beyond the movie, they were shooting The Incredible Hulk concurrently with it and that film came out, like, a month later. You don't like the little easter eggs and hints in Superman '25, fine, but let's not pretend Iron Man was some standalone punt.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    thedove wrote: »
    I would be less likely to go watch the follow up to Superman if Gunn writes or directs. This is odd to me as I really love GoG and GoG Volume 3. Did I not enjoy this film because it is setting up a universe? Maybe. At times the film felt like Superman wasn't the main character. A bit like Civil War I guess, but that one was in the middle of the series and it made sense for the other characters to be in it. I am trying to imagine Iron Man with some Avengers in it. It would take away from the story, the post credit did a great job of building excitement to the next films.

    I also realize I am no longer the key demo that these films are marketed to. I was pleased that my son felt the same as me. LOL! I didn't hate the film, I don't think the film sucks. I was disappointed in it, I was expecting a better movie than what I saw.

    I didn't know that Supergirl and Clayface are next up. Not being familiar with the comics I was taken aback to see a drunk, blunt talking Supergirl. The teaser photo for the film indicates that this tone will continue. I am curious what the story is with her and whether her cousin will show up. Clayface is an interesting villain, can I see a whole film about him? I only remember him in the animated series and while it had a good back story I am not sure a whole film can work.

    Indeed, They're trying way too hard to make threads for sequels with different characters. In the first Iron Man, you had Nick Fury at the end and that was it.

    Everything with Coulson? Rhodes looking at the Iron Man suits and going "next time, baby"? All the teasing of the Ten Rings? And even beyond the movie, they were shooting The Incredible Hulk concurrently with it and that film came out, like, a month later. You don't like the little easter eggs and hints in Superman '25, fine, but let's not pretend Iron Man was some standalone punt.

    I’d argue IRON MAN mostly works as standalone, and the only real moment in the film that explicitly tells you “this is what the MCU is building towards” is the iconic post-credit scene with Nick Fury hinting at THE AVENGERS. Everything else regarding hints and Easter eggs feels like the filmmakers putting things on the table for future films to either explore or not, depending on who’s making those films. Contrast that with IRON MAN 2, which feels like they’re moving pieces in order to set up another movie.

    The only thread in SUPERMAN ‘25 I can imagine being picked up on is
    the ramifications of Hawkgirl killing a world leader. Supergirl doesn’t count, because the movie really gives no indication of what the plot is in her film, only that she’s in it, which frees her film to go in any direction.
    . Any other potential threads feel more Superman specific than set ups for other non-Superman films like Superman’s relationship with Lois and Lex being imprisoned.

    I disagree with others that the film doesn’t enough focus on Superman. There are a lot of supporting players involved, but they’re all in service to Superman’s story. Every character is doing what they do because of Superman. Contrast that with BATMAN V SUPERMAN, which tends to be guilty of putting the main story on pause in order to take time setting up other movies, like Wonder Woman looking at files on her laptop for a good five minutes in order to clumsily introduce characters we’ll see in JUSTICE LEAGUE.

    This is why I was relieved coming out of SUPERMAN ‘25. The trailers make it all look so packed and complicated, but it’s ultimately streamlined. At least that’s how I felt, I understand others felt it was overwhelming.
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
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    Question is there a better scene than the plane scene from Superman Returns in Superman 2025...
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    Purely as a set piece? I’d say either the anti-proton river sequence or Mr. Terrific taking on Lex’s base. Though as far as non-set pieces go, probably both scenes with Clark and Lois are my favorites, as in the interview and the “maybe that’s the new punk rock” scene.
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
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    Epic! The score does not hold back.

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    @DarthDimi I don't understand why Christopher Drake does not get the opportunity to compose current live action DC.
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  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
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    Major potential spoilers
    I think this is where we are heading with Gunn's Superman.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    I do think we’re gonna see
    Lex leading the Legion of Doom.
  • Posts: 2,459
    Question is there a better scene than the plane scene from Superman Returns in Superman 2025...

    Uh, yeah, like all the scenes :))

    (I do not care at all for the execution of that plane scene)
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