EoN sells up - Amazon MGM to produce 007 going forwards (Denis Villeneuve to Direct)

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  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
    Posts: 8,747
    Risico007 wrote: »
    Amazon are definitely going to keep the gunbarrel, Bond theme, title song, title sequence, etc. They want to make us as happy as they can, because they know we didn't trust them earlier. The only thing is, the look of the film is definitely going to be very ultra-modern...which is a great thing.

    With all the talk of honoring the legacy of Eon’s franchise, I’ll be shocked if they don’t try to make it feel like a continuation in terms of franchising. Even while Craig films have bent the rules they still felt very Eon.

    Thats certainly what i am hoping for…

    Again there has never been a good non EON bond film so i am nervous about this

    This is still Eon Productions, the only difference this time is that the Broccolis aren’t running the show. Heyman and Pascal seem to actually be the best people to succeed as new producers, at least for the moment.
  • ShakenNotStirredShakenNotStirred San Monique
    Posts: 1,427
    It’s half EON productions. But without any creative input it really isn’t.
  • Posts: 2,210
    Were Craig to hate the new Bond actor, what would be the point of saying so? Whomever is chosen will not please everyone. "Oh, he's not Craig, or Moore, or Connery." I hope he pleases me, but he might not. I came to like GL after many years. Never fully warmed up to Moore. Brosnan never convinced he was Bond. Whether I become a big fan of the next Bond actor remains to be seen, but I am sure I will enjoy the next Bond film. Always do, even when some end up as my least favorites.

    My hope is that for the new era, we don't explore a cynical, aging Bond at the back end of his career. I don't need more reminders of what getting old is like. Much prefer to see youth, energy, and maybe some optimism/
  • echoecho 007 in New York
    edited June 28 Posts: 6,827
    CrabKey wrote: »
    Were Craig to hate the new Bond actor, what would be the point of saying so? Whomever is chosen will not please everyone. "Oh, he's not Craig, or Moore, or Connery." I hope he pleases me, but he might not. I came to like GL after many years. Never fully warmed up to Moore. Brosnan never convinced he was Bond. Whether I become a big fan of the next Bond actor remains to be seen, but I am sure I will enjoy the next Bond film. Always do, even when some end up as my least favorites.

    My hope is that for the new era, we don't explore a cynical, aging Bond at the back end of his career. I don't need more reminders of what getting old is like. Much prefer to see youth, energy, and maybe some optimism/

    I doubt it. I think we are going to get a young Bond, or at least one in his mid-30s who can do 3-4 films.

    My concern is that they will instantly saddle Bond #7 with his new Tracy or Vesper or Madeleine, and I think that would be a mistake. Maybe Gala, or Tiffany or Mary, rebooting the last two. Plus, we never got Kissy Suzuki's name onscreen.
  • Posts: 2,039
    CrabKey wrote: »
    Were Craig to hate the new Bond actor, what would be the point of saying so? Whomever is chosen will not please everyone. "Oh, he's not Craig, or Moore, or Connery." I hope he pleases me, but he might not. I came to like GL after many years. Never fully warmed up to Moore. Brosnan never convinced he was Bond. Whether I become a big fan of the next Bond actor remains to be seen, but I am sure I will enjoy the next Bond film. Always do, even when some end up as my least favorites.

    My hope is that for the new era, we don't explore a cynical, aging Bond at the back end of his career. I don't need more reminders of what getting old is like. Much prefer to see youth, energy, and maybe some optimism/

    With you all the way on this.
    echo wrote: »
    CrabKey wrote: »
    Were Craig to hate the new Bond actor, what would be the point of saying so? Whomever is chosen will not please everyone. "Oh, he's not Craig, or Moore, or Connery." I hope he pleases me, but he might not. I came to like GL after many years. Never fully warmed up to Moore. Brosnan never convinced he was Bond. Whether I become a big fan of the next Bond actor remains to be seen, but I am sure I will enjoy the next Bond film. Always do, even when some end up as my least favorites.

    My hope is that for the new era, we don't explore a cynical, aging Bond at the back end of his career. I don't need more reminders of what getting old is like. Much prefer to see youth, energy, and maybe some optimism/

    I doubt it. I think we are going to get a young Bond, or at least one in his mid-30s who can do 3-4 films.

    My concern is that they will instantly saddle Bond #7 with his new Tracy or Vesper or Madeleine, and I think that would be a mistake. Maybe Gala, or Tiffany or Mary, rebooting the last two. Plus, we never got Kissy Suzuki's name onscreen.

    Agree. But beyond Gala and Tiff, I think Bond needs to just be his womanizing self out of the gate.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    Posts: 18,368
    Risico007 wrote: »
    Amazon are definitely going to keep the gunbarrel, Bond theme, title song, title sequence, etc. They want to make us as happy as they can, because they know we didn't trust them earlier. The only thing is, the look of the film is definitely going to be very ultra-modern...which is a great thing.

    With all the talk of honoring the legacy of Eon’s franchise, I’ll be shocked if they don’t try to make it feel like a continuation in terms of franchising. Even while Craig films have bent the rules they still felt very Eon.

    Thats certainly what i am hoping for…

    Again there has never been a good non EON bond film so i am nervous about this

    This is still Eon Productions, the only difference this time is that the Broccolis aren’t running the show. Heyman and Pascal seem to actually be the best people to succeed as new producers, at least for the moment.

    No Eon involved; as far as I understand it Eon is now just another company which the co-owners of Bond happen to own, as related to Bond as Chitty Productions Ltd. is.
  • CommanderRossCommanderRoss The bottom of a pitch lake in Eastern Trinidad, place called La Brea
    Posts: 8,801
    mtm wrote: »
    Risico007 wrote: »
    Amazon are definitely going to keep the gunbarrel, Bond theme, title song, title sequence, etc. They want to make us as happy as they can, because they know we didn't trust them earlier. The only thing is, the look of the film is definitely going to be very ultra-modern...which is a great thing.

    With all the talk of honoring the legacy of Eon’s franchise, I’ll be shocked if they don’t try to make it feel like a continuation in terms of franchising. Even while Craig films have bent the rules they still felt very Eon.

    Thats certainly what i am hoping for…

    Again there has never been a good non EON bond film so i am nervous about this

    This is still Eon Productions, the only difference this time is that the Broccolis aren’t running the show. Heyman and Pascal seem to actually be the best people to succeed as new producers, at least for the moment.

    No Eon involved; as far as I understand it Eon is now just another company which the co-owners of Bond happen to own, as related to Bond as Chitty Productions Ltd. is.

    I doubt it they left it all like that. First off, EON is still one of the big shareholders, so if they're not happy, that certainly makes a difference. They just don't have full power anymore, which means there's negotiating space. If you look at the people they hired, these are certainly people with the blessing of the Broccoli's. So yes, they have influence, but no, no veto power.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
    Posts: 6,827
    mtm wrote: »
    Risico007 wrote: »
    Amazon are definitely going to keep the gunbarrel, Bond theme, title song, title sequence, etc. They want to make us as happy as they can, because they know we didn't trust them earlier. The only thing is, the look of the film is definitely going to be very ultra-modern...which is a great thing.

    With all the talk of honoring the legacy of Eon’s franchise, I’ll be shocked if they don’t try to make it feel like a continuation in terms of franchising. Even while Craig films have bent the rules they still felt very Eon.

    Thats certainly what i am hoping for…

    Again there has never been a good non EON bond film so i am nervous about this

    This is still Eon Productions, the only difference this time is that the Broccolis aren’t running the show. Heyman and Pascal seem to actually be the best people to succeed as new producers, at least for the moment.

    No Eon involved; as far as I understand it Eon is now just another company which the co-owners of Bond happen to own, as related to Bond as Chitty Productions Ltd. is.

    I doubt it they left it all like that. First off, EON is still one of the big shareholders, so if they're not happy, that certainly makes a difference. They just don't have full power anymore, which means there's negotiating space. If you look at the people they hired, these are certainly people with the blessing of the Broccoli's. So yes, they have influence, but no, no veto power.

    Respectfully, I disagree. Amazon paid Broccoli and Wilson $1B to go away, probably with a nondisparagement clause.
  • SIS_HQSIS_HQ At the Vauxhall Headquarters
    edited June 29 Posts: 3,976
    Re Amazon and EON conflict and business interest:

    "I'm sorry, James Bond, I'm the one apologizing, Commander; you don't deserve to go through this, but your papa Ian Fleming had left you, and there's nothing we can do"
  • Posts: 451
    It doesn't matter who play the Gen Z Bond, there won't be 4 films down the road. They are going to fund 3 films that each will be disparaged and each will be earning less than the other and kill the franchise.

    It doesn't matter if Villeneuve or any other Bond fan direct, they are going to realise that there are too many ingredients that need to be balanced that they have no clue about and the audience will make them pay for it because they will be missing. EON won't point them out because they got the check already.

    The forthcoming GAME give you a reading into the future. I understand, like me, that you are all invested since decades into loving Bond, but BOND DIED IN THE LAST FILM and he won't be coming back.

    Chalamet will kill Bond, and you will all gag on it. I don't mind anyone being optimistic about the future, but traditional Bond died with DAD, and Bond died with NTTD.

  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
    Posts: 8,747
    Are you doing some kind of comedy bit? Because it’s tiring.
  • 007InAction007InAction Australia
    edited June 29 Posts: 2,698
    With the big money Amazon has it would have been interesting to see Spielberg make a bond film at last and with John Williams music also.

    Maybe next time ?
  • Posts: 190
    A bit dramatic. Give him a Wonka bar and remind him Bond's being resurrected.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited June 29 Posts: 18,368
    mtm wrote: »
    Risico007 wrote: »
    Amazon are definitely going to keep the gunbarrel, Bond theme, title song, title sequence, etc. They want to make us as happy as they can, because they know we didn't trust them earlier. The only thing is, the look of the film is definitely going to be very ultra-modern...which is a great thing.

    With all the talk of honoring the legacy of Eon’s franchise, I’ll be shocked if they don’t try to make it feel like a continuation in terms of franchising. Even while Craig films have bent the rules they still felt very Eon.

    Thats certainly what i am hoping for…

    Again there has never been a good non EON bond film so i am nervous about this

    This is still Eon Productions, the only difference this time is that the Broccolis aren’t running the show. Heyman and Pascal seem to actually be the best people to succeed as new producers, at least for the moment.

    No Eon involved; as far as I understand it Eon is now just another company which the co-owners of Bond happen to own, as related to Bond as Chitty Productions Ltd. is.

    I doubt it they left it all like that. First off, EON is still one of the big shareholders, so if they're not happy, that certainly makes a difference. They just don't have full power anymore, which means there's negotiating space. If you look at the people they hired, these are certainly people with the blessing of the Broccoli's. So yes, they have influence, but no, no veto power.

    Are you referring to Broccoli and Wilson as ‘Eon’? Which is fine if you’re just using it as shorthand, but I’m specifically talking about Eon Productions Ltd. Because technically, as I understand, Eon have zero to do with Bond; Broccoli & Wilson are co-owners of the company which owns James Bond, and they also own Eon, but Eon itself has nothing to do with Bond any longer; it’s just something that its owners happen to also own, much like your washing machine has nothing to do with your car, other than both being owned by you.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
    Posts: 6,827
    dewiparry wrote: »
    A bit dramatic. Give him a Wonka bar and remind him Bond's being resurrected.

    LOL.
  • edited June 29 Posts: 555
    The humour in NTTD doesn't land for me. And the overall film has a foreboding quality to it. All in all, it just leaves a foul taste in my mouth.

    Seeing as Bond 26/1 is a complete reboot of the franchise I think it'd be crazy for Amazon/Villeneuve to go with "hey, Bond died in NTTD, let's do Bond 26/1 just as depressing!"

    😂

    It's gonna be a bit more fun. An over the top precredit scene, not too serious, could be a way to reintroduce 007. 😉

  • Posts: 2,039
    Traditional Bond? Eon's Bond films are all over the place stylistically. As long as general audiences keep showing up to be ENTERTAINED........................Bond will live on, no matter who is making them. The fact that he died in the last one proves they can do anything to him. Even if the same rift happens between Bond fans like what is happening to the new Superman with the Snyderverse haters and the optimistic fans, Bond and Superman will carry on.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    Posts: 18,368
    I think we’ve already got that, what with all the grumps still complaining about Craig! Ironically, that he’s too grumpy :D
  • CommanderRossCommanderRoss The bottom of a pitch lake in Eastern Trinidad, place called La Brea
    Posts: 8,801
    mtm wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    Risico007 wrote: »
    Amazon are definitely going to keep the gunbarrel, Bond theme, title song, title sequence, etc. They want to make us as happy as they can, because they know we didn't trust them earlier. The only thing is, the look of the film is definitely going to be very ultra-modern...which is a great thing.

    With all the talk of honoring the legacy of Eon’s franchise, I’ll be shocked if they don’t try to make it feel like a continuation in terms of franchising. Even while Craig films have bent the rules they still felt very Eon.

    Thats certainly what i am hoping for…

    Again there has never been a good non EON bond film so i am nervous about this

    This is still Eon Productions, the only difference this time is that the Broccolis aren’t running the show. Heyman and Pascal seem to actually be the best people to succeed as new producers, at least for the moment.

    No Eon involved; as far as I understand it Eon is now just another company which the co-owners of Bond happen to own, as related to Bond as Chitty Productions Ltd. is.

    I doubt it they left it all like that. First off, EON is still one of the big shareholders, so if they're not happy, that certainly makes a difference. They just don't have full power anymore, which means there's negotiating space. If you look at the people they hired, these are certainly people with the blessing of the Broccoli's. So yes, they have influence, but no, no veto power.

    Are you referring to Broccoli and Wilson as ‘Eon’? Which is fine if you’re just using it as shorthand, but I’m specifically talking about Eon Productions Ltd. Because technically, as I understand, Eon have zero to do with Bond; Broccoli & Wilson are co-owners of the company which owns James Bond, and they also own Eon, but Eon itself has nothing to do with Bond any longer; it’s just something that its owners happen to also own, much like your washing machine has nothing to do with your car, other than both being owned by you.

    Well, I didn't delve deeply in the business structure, but indeed I menat Wilson and Broccoli. It doesn't really matter if they do so through Eon productions or any other holding specifically put together for this. There are country specific reasons why certain structures are set-up.
    echo wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    Risico007 wrote: »
    Amazon are definitely going to keep the gunbarrel, Bond theme, title song, title sequence, etc. They want to make us as happy as they can, because they know we didn't trust them earlier. The only thing is, the look of the film is definitely going to be very ultra-modern...which is a great thing.

    With all the talk of honoring the legacy of Eon’s franchise, I’ll be shocked if they don’t try to make it feel like a continuation in terms of franchising. Even while Craig films have bent the rules they still felt very Eon.

    Thats certainly what i am hoping for…

    Again there has never been a good non EON bond film so i am nervous about this

    This is still Eon Productions, the only difference this time is that the Broccolis aren’t running the show. Heyman and Pascal seem to actually be the best people to succeed as new producers, at least for the moment.

    No Eon involved; as far as I understand it Eon is now just another company which the co-owners of Bond happen to own, as related to Bond as Chitty Productions Ltd. is.

    I doubt it they left it all like that. First off, EON is still one of the big shareholders, so if they're not happy, that certainly makes a difference. They just don't have full power anymore, which means there's negotiating space. If you look at the people they hired, these are certainly people with the blessing of the Broccoli's. So yes, they have influence, but no, no veto power.

    Respectfully, I disagree. Amazon paid Broccoli and Wilson $1B to go away, probably with a nondisparagement clause.

    I don't think 1 billion is actually all that much considering what's beeing sold. NTTD has made a turnover of 700+ million dollars. Then we're talking about the brand name: 007, James Bond, etc. are brands known all over the world. You can sell wooden planks with the 007 logo and ask a premium. That 1 billion might not even be enough for that part, as you'd typically use a multiplier. Now, this isn't my kind of business, multipliers differ strongly, but if we'd take the turnover of just the brands themselves, and the already existing films, and multiply that by, say, a very conservative 5 (years), you might already go past the 1 billion mark. So no, I don't think they completely lost control. They stepped back as producers, but shareholders still can influence who's beeing hired to do the job.
  • Posts: 4,448
    I think the relationship between the Broccolis and Amazon as co-owners of the Bond franchise is going to be really interesting to watch. The Broccolis still own the IP, so they likely retain some say.

    On timelines, Dune: Messiah is reportedly filming from July to December 2025. During that window, the plan is for Bond 26’s script to be written by a yet-to-be-named writer. Once Dune 3 moves into post-production, Denis Villeneuve will likely start to shift focus to Bond - first refining the script, then gradually splitting his time between both projects. By summer 2026, Dune post-production (VFX, editing, sound) should be wrapping up, allowing Denis to go full-time on Bond. That would put Bond 26 filming at its earliest in late 2026 or early 2027.

    That begs the question: When do we hear who the next Bond is? And when does the film come out?

    According to Variety, 2028 is the earliest realistic release (frustrating, but fair given the scale and timing). I think Amazon will aim for a spring 2028 release, likely around April or May (Easter window).

    Looking back at other casting announcement for iconic film franchises: Corenswet as Superman, Pattinson as Batman, Holland as Spider-Man, Chalamet in Dune - all were cast roughly two years ahead of their respective films’ initially planned release dates.

    We’ll hear who the next Bond is sometime between January and April 2026.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    Posts: 18,368
    My total guess is that Broccoli and Wilson own 49% of Bond, maybe even less possibly.
  • Posts: 595
    I am fairly confident that Bond 26 will be released between October 2027 and December 2028.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
    Posts: 6,827
    mtm wrote: »
    My total guess is that Broccoli and Wilson own 49% of Bond, maybe even less possibly.

    I agree with you. I think it's wishful thinking to think that they have any control at this point. I think they're passive investors. That was the whole point of the buyout from Amazon's perspective--to get Broccoli and Wilson out of the way of Amazon's plans.
  • K2WIK2WI Europe
    Posts: 52
    On timelines, Dune: Messiah is reportedly filming from July to December 2025. During that window, the plan is for Bond 26’s script to be written by a yet-to-be-named writer. Once Dune 3 moves into post-production, Denis Villeneuve will likely start to shift focus to Bond - first refining the script, then gradually splitting his time between both projects. By summer 2026, Dune post-production (VFX, editing, sound) should be wrapping up, allowing Denis to go full-time on Bond. That would put Bond 26 filming at its earliest in late 2026 or early 2027.

    Villeneuve will also likely have to devote a couple weeks in November/December 2026 to the Dune: Messiah press tour, which I think will rule out the possibility of production in 2026 and makes a 2027 start the more likely option.
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