EoN sells up - Amazon MGM to produce 007 going forwards (Heyman and Pascal confirmed as producers)

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  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
    edited June 19 Posts: 9,048
    I agree with peter, the discussion is moot because there's not going to be another Bond until 2029. No one at Amazon is in a hurry - that was wishful thinking.
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    Is a preference for a white Bond racist?
  • peterpeter Toronto
    edited June 19 Posts: 9,668
    CrabKey wrote: »
    Is a preference for a white Bond racist?

    No to your question.

    Is wanting the casting process open to all actors, no matter their race and ethnicity, “woke” and “virtue-signalling”?

    No to both.

    But saying actors of color need not apply, and having an actor of color will be a disaster for the franchise is treading along despicable lines, yes.

    I think a Sope Dirisu or an Aaron Pierre have as much right and talent to audition as ATJ, or any white actor. And can anyone on this site tell me these two men of color shouldn’t be able to audition? I’d love to hear your reasoning.

    Other than that, this discussion is getting ridiculous and tedious.
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    Peter, I believe you mean virtue signaling.
  • peterpeter Toronto
    Posts: 9,668
    CrabKey wrote: »
    Peter, I believe you mean virtue signaling.

    Lol, thank you, good catch, 😂...at least something brought a smile to my face in the midst of all this nonsense.

    I'll go and correct now...
  • edited June 19 Posts: 258
    maybe they will cast trump as bond (joking) lol since the pool is now open im putting logs on the fire lol
  • Posts: 15,774
    007HallY wrote: »
    Oh yes, picking Bond isn’t about getting that special ‘chosen one’, as good as many of these actors have been and how prestigious the role is. It’s finding an actor out of a pool of options. Of course they have to be suitable, bring something new to the role etc. And ultimately there are relatively specific requirements for Bond (masculinity, good looks, physicality etc) although even then I’d argue there are many different directions you can go in.

    But ultimately I’d say the same about limiting it to white actors - I don’t think you’re as likely to have the best range of potentials.

    Like I said, one never looks for the ideal candidate, but for the best.
  • DenbighDenbigh UK
    edited 5:15am Posts: 6,010
    "List of directors that have pitched or plan to pitch for the next ‘JAMES BOND’ film:

    • Edward Berger
    • Denis Villeneuve
    • Edgar Wright
    • Jonathan Nolan
    • Paul King

    Alfonso Cuarón has reportedly took himself out of the running.

    (Source: https://puck.news/the-mail-room-bond-movie-directors-blumhouses-saw-deal-apples-post-f1-strategy/)"


    https://x.com/FilmUpdates/status/1935928525225443810
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
    edited 5:21am Posts: 9,048
    Denbigh wrote: »
    "List of directors that have pitched or plan to pitch for the next ‘JAMES BOND’ film:

    • Edward Berger
    • Denis Villeneuve
    • Edgar Wright
    • Jonathan Nolan
    • Paul King

    Alfonso Cuarón has reportedly took himself out of the running.

    (Source: https://puck.news/the-mail-room-bond-movie-directors-blumhouses-saw-deal-apples-post-f1-strategy/)"


    https://x.com/FilmUpdates/status/1935928525225443810

    EDGAr WRIGHT, I would die from happiness!! OMG
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    Of that list I’d definitely go for Wright.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
    edited 6:35am Posts: 9,048
    I agree Bond 26 needs to be a jubilant celebration. It should also feel like a visceral experience and not a cerebral exercise. People should leave the theatre with head-to-toe body chills wanting to tell their friends about what they just saw and go again. When Bond died at the end of the last film it felt like an intake of breathe for the audience, and with all the indecision and uncertainty of the last 4 years it feels like we're still holding that breathe, and Bond 26 should feel like the release. They can always pivot back to more meaty material in later films, but it doesn't hurt to have a film that's just a breezy enjoyable romp, especially with someone like Wright at the helm.

    ...and bring in Simon Pegg to write!
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    I think I’d actually go for Paul King, funnily enough.
    I don’t follow movie news much but I feel like I’ve heard Puck are quite decent..?
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    Isn't he better at gentle, family-friendly fare with lots of whimsy?
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    Denbigh wrote: »
    "List of directors that have pitched or plan to pitch for the next ‘JAMES BOND’ film:

    • Edward Berger
    • Denis Villeneuve
    • Edgar Wright
    • Jonathan Nolan
    • Paul King

    Alfonso Cuarón has reportedly took himself out of the running.

    (Source: https://puck.news/the-mail-room-bond-movie-directors-blumhouses-saw-deal-apples-post-f1-strategy/)"


    https://x.com/FilmUpdates/status/1935928525225443810

    All of them are OK choices. Perhaps the one I like least is Paul King.

  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
    edited 7:54am Posts: 9,048
    People who say Bond doesn't need big name directors will be rooting for Johnathon Nolan.
  • edited 8:03am Posts: 5,438
    No idea how true this report is… one way or the other.

    Honestly, if I had to pick from this list, it’d depend on what these ‘pitches’ were. I guess Berger?
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited 8:17am Posts: 18,288
    Isn't he better at gentle, family-friendly fare with lots of whimsy?

    Was Lewis Gilbert better at kitchen sink, gritty stuff?
    King has proven he can handle big budget films with exciting action and emotion and heart, big set pieces, plus laughs and a British feel, and has delivered properly excellent films every time.
    Wright on the other hand, for me has never quite delivered in any of the genres he's tried (apart from Shaun of course). I find he always falls a little short and there's a certain flatness to his films.
    Berger's good; Nolan's a little inexperienced. Villeneuve is obviously excellent, but perhaps doesn't promise much in the way of lightness.
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    I don't know if Nolan would direct the film himself, he might just be the screenwriter.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Well he's pitching for the wrong job if that report is to be believed then.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
    Posts: 9,048
    mtm wrote: »
    Isn't he better at gentle, family-friendly fare with lots of whimsy?

    Was Lewis Gilbert better at kitchen sink, gritty stuff?
    King has proven he can handle big budget films with exciting action and emotion and heart, big set pieces, plus laughs and a British feel, and has delivered properly excellent films every time.
    Wright on the other hand, for me has never quite delivered in any of the genres he's tried (apart from Shaun of course). I find he always falls a little short and there's a certain flatness to his films.
    Berger's good; Nolan's a little inexperienced. Villeneuve is obviously excellent, but perhaps doesn't promise much in the way of lightness.

    Bond films, even the breezy ones, have a bit of an edge to them. I haven't seen that from King's work.

    I think Baby driver has an edge, especially during the robbery scenes, inspite of being overall a fun, entertaining film.
  • ImpertinentGoonImpertinentGoon Everybody needs a hobby.
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    I told you it would be King in (very) early April...
  • SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ Lekki, Lagos, Nigeria
    edited 8:55am Posts: 2,687
    mtm wrote: »
    Isn't he better at gentle, family-friendly fare with lots of whimsy?

    Was Lewis Gilbert better at kitchen sink, gritty stuff?
    King has proven he can handle big budget films with exciting action and emotion and heart, big set pieces, plus laughs and a British feel, and has delivered properly excellent films every time.
    Wright on the other hand, for me has never quite delivered in any of the genres he's tried (apart from Shaun of course). I find he always falls a little short and there's a certain flatness to his films.
    Berger's good; Nolan's a little inexperienced. Villeneuve is obviously excellent, but perhaps doesn't promise much in the way of lightness.

    Bond films, even the breezy ones, have a bit of an edge to them. I haven't seen that from King's work.

    I think Baby driver has an edge, especially during the robbery scenes, inspite of being overall a fun, entertaining film.

    Baby driver is a fun film. But it's not how I would want a Bond film to be, it doesn't even have depth like the lighter Bond films. Plus, after first viewing, I don't think Baby Driver has much re-watch value.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    Posts: 18,288
    mtm wrote: »
    Isn't he better at gentle, family-friendly fare with lots of whimsy?

    Was Lewis Gilbert better at kitchen sink, gritty stuff?
    King has proven he can handle big budget films with exciting action and emotion and heart, big set pieces, plus laughs and a British feel, and has delivered properly excellent films every time.
    Wright on the other hand, for me has never quite delivered in any of the genres he's tried (apart from Shaun of course). I find he always falls a little short and there's a certain flatness to his films.
    Berger's good; Nolan's a little inexperienced. Villeneuve is obviously excellent, but perhaps doesn't promise much in the way of lightness.

    Bond films, even the breezy ones, have a bit of an edge to them. I haven't seen that from King's work.

    I think Baby driver has an edge, especially during the robbery scenes, inspite of being overall a fun, entertaining film.

    He does peril even in his kids films, I don't find it hard to imagine he could dial that up a bit.
    Baby Driver is decent, but for me it's another example of one of Wright's film being fine, but nothing outstanding. I wouldn't be upset if he got it, but I wouldn't be excited.
  • edited 8:41am Posts: 2,132
    mtm wrote: »
    Well he's pitching for the wrong job if that report is to be believed then.

    I imagine they are selling the whole pack. The project itself.
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    mtm wrote: »
    Isn't he better at gentle, family-friendly fare with lots of whimsy?

    Was Lewis Gilbert better at kitchen sink, gritty stuff?
    King has proven he can handle big budget films with exciting action and emotion and heart, big set pieces, plus laughs and a British feel, and has delivered properly excellent films every time.
    Wright on the other hand, for me has never quite delivered in any of the genres he's tried (apart from Shaun of course). I find he always falls a little short and there's a certain flatness to his films.
    Berger's good; Nolan's a little inexperienced. Villeneuve is obviously excellent, but perhaps doesn't promise much in the way of lightness.

    Bond films, even the breezy ones, have a bit of an edge to them. I haven't seen that from King's work.

    I think Baby driver has an edge, especially during the robbery scenes, inspite of being overall a fun, entertaining film.

    Baby Driver's a film I've struggled with on rewatches. I do think it lacks that edge you're talking about, but it's a fun enough film. Still, I'm not sure about Wright, and I think he's still not been able to top Hot Fuzz or Shaun.

    But hey, I'd say I find many of Villeneuve's films dull as dishwater (except Prisoners - awesome, tense film, and I think he's a great director regardless of my personal opinion).

    I don't have many opinions about King or Nolan one way or the other.

    Berger I like because he's got experience with different kinds of genres, and I'd say he's been pretty great at doing dark humour (especially in Patrick Melrose. Weirdly it's the most Bondian I've ever seen Benedict Cumberbatch as being, despite the subject matter) and of course to some extent action/violence. I'd say he's the most suited to Bond in theory, but it depends I suppose (I think he's even said he'd be less interested in doing it under Amazon than EON).
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited 9:02am Posts: 18,288
    007HallY wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    Isn't he better at gentle, family-friendly fare with lots of whimsy?

    Was Lewis Gilbert better at kitchen sink, gritty stuff?
    King has proven he can handle big budget films with exciting action and emotion and heart, big set pieces, plus laughs and a British feel, and has delivered properly excellent films every time.
    Wright on the other hand, for me has never quite delivered in any of the genres he's tried (apart from Shaun of course). I find he always falls a little short and there's a certain flatness to his films.
    Berger's good; Nolan's a little inexperienced. Villeneuve is obviously excellent, but perhaps doesn't promise much in the way of lightness.

    Bond films, even the breezy ones, have a bit of an edge to them. I haven't seen that from King's work.

    I think Baby driver has an edge, especially during the robbery scenes, inspite of being overall a fun, entertaining film.

    Baby Driver's a film I've struggled with on rewatches. I do think it lacks that edge you're talking about, but it's a fun enough film. Still, I'm not sure about Wright, and I think he's still not been able to top Hot Fuzz or Shaun.

    I think Shaun is superb but I've actually struggled with Hot Fuzz. I think it's funny enough, but it keeps promising to the audience in the actual dialogue that it's going to be a comedy take on an action film, but the action is really weak and rubbishly-handled. It was a long time ago though and the action in Baby Driver is better.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
    Posts: 9,048
    I'd wait until The Running Man (2025) before definitively making your mind up on Wright. By my reckoning it could demonstrate a more mature director, while still keeping his signature style.
  • peterpeter Toronto
    Posts: 9,668
    Jonathan Nolan, if this is true. He's one helluva writer, and if he has a second unit (I'm guessing he will), we are in safe hands. I've really been impressed with he and his wife's output in the last few years (and I hope he'dbring her on as a writing partner, as she herself is a top notch, high IQ screenwriter).
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    mtm wrote: »
    007HallY wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    Isn't he better at gentle, family-friendly fare with lots of whimsy?

    Was Lewis Gilbert better at kitchen sink, gritty stuff?
    King has proven he can handle big budget films with exciting action and emotion and heart, big set pieces, plus laughs and a British feel, and has delivered properly excellent films every time.
    Wright on the other hand, for me has never quite delivered in any of the genres he's tried (apart from Shaun of course). I find he always falls a little short and there's a certain flatness to his films.
    Berger's good; Nolan's a little inexperienced. Villeneuve is obviously excellent, but perhaps doesn't promise much in the way of lightness.

    Bond films, even the breezy ones, have a bit of an edge to them. I haven't seen that from King's work.

    I think Baby driver has an edge, especially during the robbery scenes, inspite of being overall a fun, entertaining film.

    Baby Driver's a film I've struggled with on rewatches. I do think it lacks that edge you're talking about, but it's a fun enough film. Still, I'm not sure about Wright, and I think he's still not been able to top Hot Fuzz or Shaun.

    I think Shaun is superb but I've actually struggled with Hot Fuzz. I think it's funny enough, but it keeps promising to the audience in the actual dialogue that it's going to be a comedy take on an action film, but the action is really weak and rubbishly-handled. It was a long time ago though and the action in Baby Driver is better.

    The action has a conscious amount of cheesiness especially by the end, sure. But I tend to see it more as a comedy so I'm ok with it. And to be fair there is a legitimately sinister mood in terms of what's going on with the village, so I feel those fun action scenes are earned.

    An issue I have with Baby Driver is despite the good stuntwork Wright makes very specific decisions which takes away a lot of tension and sense of danger (one thing I remember vividly is elaborate rock music being played over one of the last chases in the garage, just before he defeats Jon Hamm's character. Just felt like a waste. It could have been a stand out scene where the sense of danger is really dialled up, but Wright defaults back to that lighter mood. It doesn't give me the sense he's a very confident director when not in that mode. To be completely honest I got that sense from Last Night in Soho).

    I do like him as a director (Scott Pilgram's actually a very watchable film too) but for Bond I think something's a bit off about the idea of him doing it. But we'll see.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    One little tidbit we can surmise from this list, if Amazon MGM are the ones being pitched by directors then that would suggest that no work on a story-direction has truly happened yet in terms of hiring writers etc. That's already very different to how EON worked where it would be a closed group while they worked out the barebones of a story, and then a director was sought after that.
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