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Hopefully they don't use the same fanservicy/everything is a joke style.
I'm in no rush either until the time is right. Even though the EON films were making money, I think the last three films had stumbled creatively and I personally was losing interest in the franchise. I think it did need saving to capture the spark that I felt was missing. To each their own Bond and that is why I was using the Gunn Superman reference. After the drudgery of Man of Steel it feels like Superman is back on track tonally.
EON were running out of steam creatively, simple as that. Skyfall was about a figure in M's past who turns out to be the one pulling the strings, Spectre was about a figure in Bond's past who turns out to be the one pulling the strings and the last film was about a figure in Madelines past who turns out to be the one pulling the strings. I'm hopeful that Amazon can at least come up with something a bit different and fresh.
They’ve invested a lot of money in this. Despite their fortune, they’re not going to take Bond lightly.
We’re just going to have to wait (again) until things move forward.
But I guess the rights to Bond are secure. That's a positive I suppose. But I think this could be one of those important films for the Bond franchise, and I don't think quite as much was at stake when the presumption was EON would be doing it.
Yes, we will have some news soon.
I agree with this.
Personally, I'd be willing to wait till 2028 for this hypothetical, high quality film that makes just under a billion, over a generic, hypothetical Force Awakens type Bond movie that breaks a billion but is pretty disappointing otherwise. But then again I reckon it'll be a similar wait no matter what. Force Awakens at least had drafts that Lucas had been working on to start from. From what I understand there's very little of that with Bond 26, and even if there was something I think they'd be starting from scratch.
Yes. I agree. It's a very fresh start thing. Plus, unlike EON...Amazon are yet to win fans over. Yeah...it really seems like Amazon are taking James Bond seriously. But announcements could still happen, though.
Force Awakens also had a lot of roles cast already, and roles that could be played by anyone (no offense, but Simon Pegg wasn't needed for his acting ability), and returning alumni like John Williams, Kasdan, Ben Burt etc.
Who knows maybe Amazon will be able to reel Arnold back for one last time, but otherwise they're going to be working from scratch. All they have is the license, the books, the iconography and they will have to figure the rest out on their own. Pascal and Heyman is a fantastic start, but I'm not surprised if they're a bit daunted about where to go next.
I don't like The Batman, anyway.
GE was like Force Awakens and it's a fan favorite.
But yes, the trends that there may be are something pretentious in the style of Dune or something more fun in the style of Marvel.
I'm still very much on the cautious side of things. The choice of producers is a best case scenario. But until we get some more information I think it could go any number of ways.
I suppose a potential issue is that without EON at the helm you now have a bunch of people at Amazon overseeing everything above Heyman and Pascal. Yes, I'm sure many of these individuals are very experienced, if not talented. But whether they understand or are invested creatively in Bond is another matter. For all their flaws there was a sense that Broccoli and Wilson understood Bond on a fundamental level, outright stating during interviews what his qualities were, what he would or wouldn't do in any incarnation etc. The fact that Broccoli seemingly got annoyed at the claim that Bond isn't a hero I think shows a very subtle understanding of the character (there are people on these forums who would claim Bond is an anti-hero, for example, and I think it completely misses the point of the character and if approached like for a film that would lead to some very odd choices). Even if it's just the fact that a temporary CEO/producer doesn't have the same loyalties to this character as a family run legacy would, it's definitely going to make a difference at some point.
I don't think GE's like Force Awakens personally. And I know many people who love The Batman. Actually I'd say GE and The Batman have more similarities than GE does to Force Awakens (especially in terms of approach to cinematography and readapting the tropes of both franchises). No idea if Force Awakens is a favourite of Star Wars fans one way or the other. The sense I got from people at the time was that it was enjoyable but generic and too similar to the first Star Wars film. It's nothing special in my opinion.
I think it's about making the best Bond film they can, if not attempting to make the best Bond film ever. Regardless of what we get. Otherwise, as I've said before, this endeavour is completely pointless. Simply doing a 'greatest hits', by the numbers Bond film in an attempt to replicate Force Awakens isn't really good enough in the long run unfortunately. Amazon will want to keep that sense of prestige Bond has developed if possible.
Yes, the fact that Force Awakens had returning individuals and was a sequel to an already developed world makes a difference. This is definitely more a fresh start type of thing.
I don’t think that tone is the comparison point between what The Batman did right and what Bond 26 should do. I think the success of The Batman demonstrates that audiences will reward ambition and risk. The Batman leaned into the lore to pull out nuggets from the source material that hadn’t been touched or deeply explored in the films. In The Batman’s case, we got a year-two story in which Bruce Wayne was young and learning, emotionally remote but angry, and not yet settled into his role as a hero.
While Casino Royale (the movie) gave us a deeper understanding of why Bond keeps women at arms length, the movie didn’t quite solidify Bond’s motivation to be a Double-O. Why does Bond put it all on the line? The CR novel gives us that answer. Other Bond novels provide greater context for this motivation and introduce areas of self-doubt. We haven’t really explored Bond’s distaste for killing in cold blood, which runs counter to his role as a state sanctioned assassin. His trust in the state itself has never been tested or probed in the films.
The point is that, if the producers are smart, they’re combing over every piece of Bond media from books to movies and comics to games to compile a database of what works, what doesn’t, what has been explored and what can be massaged, teased and shaped for new material. That’s the lesson Bond 26 should take from The Batman.
Anyway, It will probably end up being a Harry Potter for grown-ups with lots of British actors.
Interesting. I hope they explore more of that, for sure. I feel like Skyfall started to hint at Bond's distaste for the nastier parts of his job, and then he lets Severine die and doesn't even blink. Weird movie I will never like for those reasons and more, but that was the film they started to go down the introspective Bond route and then just.. fell on their face and never went deeper (I consider the Blofeld and NTTD family stuff all surface level drama, not a real surprise or even tense situation for Bond in Spectre and NTTD. NTTD also has interesting moments like with his daughter that could challenge him, and then the movie lies to him that it's not his kid so he doesn't have to think too hard about it. Lame!).
To be clear I like the idea of M. dying in Bond's arms and it meaning something to him, I like the idea of Spectre having a personal vendetta against Bond, and I like the idea of Bond being challenged by having a family to deal with, I just hate the execution each time.
Yes, I think these are all good points. Agreed!
Well, you could argue all Bond (and Batman) films are generic to some degree. They all certainly use the same tropes from themselves from movie to movie, even if they're changed up to whatever extent.
But GE's a pretty interesting Bond film, and has much more in common with The Batman than Force Awakens. The cinematography of GE is noticeably different to other Bond films (like The Batman it leans into that low key, shadowy darkness at points, is deferential to the cinematography of older movies outside of their franchises, and both were a noticeable step up from what came before in their respective franchises). Both films use the familiar tropes and characters but put a fresh spin on them, if not outright adding new scenarios. Even thematically they both share similarities such as the heroes and villains being dark reflections of each other.
Maybe I just haven't seen Force Awakens enough times (once in full in my case, with maybe some individual scenes otherwise) but I don't remember it doing very much with Star Wars as a whole, and I certainly don't remember it doing anything as re-inventive as GE and The Batman were for their franchises.
No idea what we'll get in practice. I do hope it has some ambition though. I think a lot will depend on the director and writers.
Cool.
Oh, these films are formulaic, and any Bond film will, to some extent, do more of the same but bring it up to date.
But I'd say a priority is having an interesting story with some sense of freshness. How that can or will be done is to be seen.
“I’m not going to argue this further” = “I can’t support the argument I was trying to make so I’m done trying.”
No, I've already talked a lot about GE. You know my opinion. I don't want to sound like a broken record.
That's all.
Well we all know that you find the film generic and nothing else because that’s all you really say whenever you post about the film so it’s a bit late to stop yourself from sounding like a broken record but I digress.
Come on, man, I don't want another discussion about GE. I've fought in that war many times.
It’s a war you’ll keep losing ;)