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La-La Land Records Present The Man With The Golden Gun: 50th Anniversary Remastered & Expanded 2CD

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  • bondywondybondywondy Uk
    edited February 13 Posts: 544
    Return to Scaramanga's Fun House may be my all time favourite haunting music. The way it builds up to the 5 minutes mark and then concludes with the sinister stalking vibe. It's a mini masterpiece.





  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited February 13 Posts: 18,236
    Finally got around to listening to this despite buying it before Christmas and, well, it's no Moonraker is it! Barry only had a couple of weeks to write it so no slight on him, but it's a bit of a boring listen going over the same ground quite often; I think it's one of those where the original soundtrack album is probably all you need. Although the Bottoms Up tracks are actually a bit of a highlight and more interesting than a lot of the score! I had no idea Bottoms Up 2 would be a sort of noodly psychedelic riff on the theme tune.
  • humblepilothumblepilot UK
    edited February 13 Posts: 11
    I agree that it gets very repetitive if you listen to the whole thing start to finish. I like the melody of "Golden Gun" just fine, but it gets a bit boring when you hear it in every other track. And in addition to the time constraints, maybe the adherence to that stereotypical "East Asian" mode cramped Barry's style?
  • BT3366BT3366
    Posts: 1,963
    mtm wrote: »
    Finally got around to listening to this despite buying it before Christmas and, well, it's no Moonraker is it! Barry only had a couple of weeks to write it so no slight on him, but it's a bit of a boring listen going over the same ground quite often; I think it's one of those where the original soundtrack album is probably all you need. Although the Bottoms Up tracks are actually a bit of a highlight and more interesting than a lot of the score! I had no idea Bottoms Up 2 would be a sort of noodly psychedelic riff on the theme tune.

    On the positive side, it's still more memorable as a whole than anything Barry's successors after he left the series came up with. I can hum Barry's music all day and have a hard time recalling much if anything Arnold and especially Newman came up with.
  • mattjoesmattjoes Dakato Johnson
    Posts: 7,158
    I think the essential score cues not present in the original album are

    Gun Barrel / The Island
    Macau
    Following Andrea
    Scaramanga Strikes
    Chula
    The Death of Hai Fat
    Moments
    and possibly Retrieving the Solex Agitator
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    Posts: 18,236
    Yeah, the little Solex motif isn’t represented on the album at all I think?
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
    Posts: 24,689
    mtm wrote: »
    Yeah, the little Solex motif isn’t represented on the album at all I think?

    I haven't heard it. I had hoped for it, though. Would be a cool sound to hear every time someones texts me. ;-)
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Oh, it's on there on the new one, I meant on the original album. It really would make a good text noise though! :D
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
    Posts: 24,689
    mtm wrote: »
    Oh, it's on there on the new one, I meant on the original album. It really would make a good text noise though! :D

    I need to go through the album again then.

    I'm currently hearing "Bond. James Bond" by Roger Moore in OP when someone texts me.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    Posts: 18,236
    I've got the Saint motif for a reminder and the phone ring from In Like Flint (also Basil's phone call noise from Austin Powers) as my ringtone :)
  • morcarvicmorcarvic france
    Posts: 102
    Well man with the golden gun might not be everyones cup of tea here but despite being considered the lesser work i personally prefer the score as a listening experience and indeed the film over moonraker.
  • SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ Lekki, Lagos, Nigeria
    Posts: 2,665
    I like TMWTGG's score. In fact, for a rather playful Bond film, the score is deliciously sinister and even melancholic at times. But since Barry didn't score TSWLM, he was extra-energized and churned out possibly the best Bond score in MR.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
    edited February 17 Posts: 24,689
    It's a good score, especially considering what little time Barry had to do his thing. I agree, @SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷, that it has its sinister moments, and I love those very much. It show how good Barry was.
  • SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ Lekki, Lagos, Nigeria
    Posts: 2,665
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    It's a good score, especially considering what little time Barry had to do his thing. I agree, @SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷, that it has its sinister moments, and I love those very much. It show how good Barry was.

    Precisely @DarthDimi
  • bcaloubcalou France
    Posts: 87
    Shower thought: I just realised that TMWTGG might be the only EON Bond movie not featuring the swing section of the theme. Am I wrong?

    (the swing section is the bombastic part that starts playing directly at the start of Dr. No)
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    Posts: 18,236
    Oh wow, I’ve not noticed that. You may well be right.
  • Bond_ScoresBond_Scores UK
    Posts: 119
    bcalou wrote: »
    Shower thought: I just realised that TMWTGG might be the only EON Bond movie not featuring the swing section of the theme. Am I wrong?

    (the swing section is the bombastic part that starts playing directly at the start of Dr. No)

    I’ve listened through to the album and you’re spot on; there’s no ‘be-bop’ section of the Bond theme in the score. It’s particularly interesting as that’s the section often attributed to Barry in terms of its composition, so it’s surprising that he doesn’t use it all.

    It might be that when you’d usually expect it structurally, it’s replaced by TMWTGG theme.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    I am under the impression that Barry wanted to write more original music instead of always relying on the Bond Theme. Lack of time may explain why he ended up using bits of the Bond Theme as often as he did in TMWTGG. But the absence of the "swing" section is somewhat surprising, indeed.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited May 27 Posts: 18,236
    I'm trying to remember the other scores now, does it appear in TB, for example? Obviously the song is derived from it but I can't bring a full statement of it to mind..? YOLT and OHMSS have the Dr No version playing, but is it there other than that?
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
    Posts: 24,689
    mtm wrote: »
    I'm trying to remember the other scores now, does it appear in TB, for example? Obviously the song is derived from it but I can't bring a full statement of it to mind..? YOLT and OHMSS have the Dr No version playing, but is it there other than that?

    Bond's fight with Bouvoir is scored with a very dramatic rendition of the "swing" section, if memory serves.
  • mattjoesmattjoes Dakato Johnson
    edited May 27 Posts: 7,158
    In its second half, the A section of the Bond Theme has a secondary melody on top of the riff. The four notes that make up that melody are the same notes that are played at the beginning of the swing section. However, their presence alone is not enough to say the swing section is being played. Off the top of my head, the swing section is played in these Barry-scored-or-arranged films (there could be mistakes or omissions, I didn't check this):

    DN - Original James Bond Theme arrangement
    FRWL - Original James Bond Theme arrangement and James Bond with Bongos
    GF - Not heard
    TB - Chateau Flight*
    YOLT - Original James Bond Theme arrangement
    OHMSS - This Never Happened to the Other Feller, Bond and Draco*, Original James Bond Theme arrangement and James Bond Theme (end credits version)
    DAF - Not heard
    TMWTGG - Not heard
    MR - Freefall Sequence and Venice Boat Chase*
    OP - Easy Come, Easy Go and The Palace Fight
    AVTAK - May Day Jumps
    TLD - Exercise at Gibraltar, Ice Chase

    As for the other films (once again, there could be mistakes or omissions):
    LALD - James Bond Theme (taxi scene)
    TSWLM - Ski Jump
    FYEO - Not heard
    LTK - Bond Hooks Sanchez and Truck Chase
    GE - Tank Chase
    TND - Backseat Driver and Bike Chase
    TWINE - Caviar Factory
    DAD - Bond Goes to Iceland
    CR - The Name's Bond...James Bond
    QoS - End Credits
    SF - The Name's Bond...James Bond
    SP - The Name's Bond...James Bond
    NTTD - ?

    * Cues that present substantial variations on the swing section, or that merely hint at it in subtle ways.

    Feel free to correct anything.

    Edit: @DarthDimi is right, Chateau Flight does use the swing section. I just remembered the track doesn't just use those four notes also heard in the A section, it also uses the following three notes exclusive to the swing section, it's just that they not heard as often and they are obscured by the wah-wah brass triplets. I have amended the list.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    Posts: 18,236
    Isn't that funny, I'd never really considered that before. The swing section is kind of more of a Roger/Tim/Pierce thing than a Sean and Daniel one.
  • morcarvicmorcarvic france
    Posts: 102
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    I'm trying to remember the other scores now, does it appear in TB, for example? Obviously the song is derived from it but I can't bring a full statement of it to mind..? YOLT and OHMSS have the Dr No version playing, but is it there other than that?

    Bond's fight with Bouvoir is scored with a very dramatic rendition of the "swing" section, if memory serves.

    also tb end credits for our british version used dr no version i think,cant remember an instance of that section in goldfinger either though.

  • morcarvicmorcarvic france
    Posts: 102
    morcarvic wrote: »
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    I'm trying to remember the other scores now, does it appear in TB, for example? Obviously the song is derived from it but I can't bring a full statement of it to mind..? YOLT and OHMSS have the Dr No version playing, but is it there other than that?

    Bond's fight with Bouvoir is scored with a very dramatic rendition of the "swing" section, if memory serves.

    also tb end credits for our british version used dr no version i think,cant remember an instance of that section in goldfinger either though.

    ps or for that matter daf.
  • mattjoesmattjoes Dakato Johnson
    Posts: 7,158
    I just remembered the Thunderball fight music does use more of the swing section, as @DarthDimi stated. I edited my last post.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    Posts: 18,236
    Oh yeah, you get a bit of a sense of it there don't you, but not really played in its usual way.

    LTK and TND certainly do use it though, and rather fully.
  • mattjoesmattjoes Dakato Johnson
    edited May 27 Posts: 7,158
    Just added two renditions I remembered in TND plus most of the Craig era. I don't remember where it's heard in LTK.

    As for TB, yes, it depends on how one looks at it. It's a variation on the swing section, not a typical straightforward rendition. I now debate whether it should count, haha. But the notes are there for sure.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    Posts: 18,236
    It appears in 'Bond Hooks Sanchez' and 'Truck Chase' (using the LLL score cue names).
  • mattjoesmattjoes Dakato Johnson
    Posts: 7,158
    Right, how could I forget.
  • Bond_ScoresBond_Scores UK
    Posts: 119
    mattjoes wrote: »
    OHMSS - Original James Bond Theme arrangement and "James Bond Theme" (end credits version)

    Also ‘This Never Happened To The Other Fella’
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